Ugh. That's.... ridiculous.... I can get that out of a simple chest for cat's sakes!

LaintalAy wrote: »

Yep.
Replace the Bat Oil with Daedra Husk a you could have just completed a Dolmen somewhere.

It kind of feels insulting tbh. A lot of work for a combined value of less than my gear repair cost.

Rkindaleft wrote: »

LaintalAy wrote: »

Yep.
Replace the Bat Oil with Daedra Husk a you could have just completed a Dolmen somewhere.

It kind of feels insulting tbh. A lot of work for a combined value of less than my gear repair cost.

Yeah, but I'm worn out from complaining about this sort of stuff.
These people just don't realise that people will spend more on something that is fun.

Why would anyone pay to be unhappy?

This is a problem with a lot of the chapter world events and world bosses. I can solo most, but they honestly just feel tedious to do, mostly because it takes ao long. That becomes even more annoying when I need to do the same boss or world incursion multiple times for an antquity.
Overall it also leaves me with the feeling that the game and world feels abandoned.
I wish these events would scale to the number of people doing them, so I wouldn't regularly get the thought "oh great, content that now sucks, because I'm engaging with the chapter more than a year after it's release".
I don't mind being in a world where most players are in different zones. I just don't enjoy the feeling that the content has been abandoned and not reajusted to the current player numbers in the zones, and all these world events gives me that feeling, instead of being fun flavor while exploring.

Ilumia wrote: »

This is a problem with a lot of the chapter world events and world bosses. I can solo most, but they honestly just feel tedious to do, mostly because it takes ao long. That becomes even more annoying when I need to do the same boss or world incursion multiple times for an antquity.
Overall it also leaves me with the feeling that the game and world feels abandoned.
I wish these events would scale to the number of people doing them, so I wouldn't regularly get the thought "oh great, content that now sucks, because I'm engaging with the chapter more than a year after it's release".
I don't mind being in a world where most players are in different zones. I just don't enjoy the feeling that the content has been abandoned and not reajusted to the current player numbers in the zones, and all these world events gives me that feeling, instead of being fun flavor while exploring.

This.

This week on my main acct, I found there was a single delve I had never done for Western Skyrim. To get to it, you need to skirt a harrowstorm. Of course, a 'storm started just as I entered the cave area. Not a single player anywhere, and I had zero interest in the slog that a 'storm becomes (had already done them all, anyhow, and no incentive to repeat).

Plunked my character and companion far enough away he wouldn't go rushing in like a moron as companions tend to do!, and honest-to-goodness went to the other end of my house to cook a quick dinner, checking the game every few minutes so it wouldn't log me out, ate dinner, washed the few dishes, and the harrowstorm was STILL active even though there were no players engaged! Twenty minutes, easily.

In the end, I dismissed the companion and hugged every rock and piece of dirt around the 'storm to reach the delve. The delve took maybe 10 minutes to complete, the 'storm was just ending when I exited.

I'm sure the devs will tell us the 'storms are all timed, and there is no way one would be active that long unless engaged with players, etc. Except I was there, it was, and it's ridiculous.

Geysers and Dolmens do scale based on the number of players, so it would be nice if the other world events did as well.

Harrowstorms are easy to scale - just spawn fewer Lost Souls based on the number of people there (or, for large groups, spawn more of them). That way you'll have fewer (or more) of the big bosses spawning and the pikes will heal at a slower (or faster) rate.

For Greymoor, I think the major ones are the downstairs storms, since they're also pretty far from wayshrines and there's really not much reason to be down in Blackreach in the first place. Those four really don't see much action at all.

AzuraFan wrote: »

As for the rewards received, yep, they suck. And lately it's not unusual for me to receive nothing after soloing group events in public dungeons. Not the easy ones. The ones in the later DLCs. I first started noticing this in Necrom and it has continued. The same goes for bosses in public dungeons. I sometimes get nothing or something like 10 gold. And it's not because I'm farming them. I happen to be passing by. There's something seriously wrong with the rewards system in this game.

You’re right. I know Harrowstorms are 4 years old, but it always baffles me almost every time I finish one for how little you receive in commensuration for the effort. I don’t know what ZOS’s obsession is with making world events that require a lot of work but always giving trash rewards. Harrowstorm, Bastion Nymic, Mirrormoor incursions…

They should rename this forum to "Make Everything Easier and More Rewarding Requests".

When I came back to ESO after a long break, I enjoyed Harrowstorms because they were more challenging than most world events and took some effort to learn and master. They were rewarding enough factoring in the daily quests -- especially considering you can complete 2 zone quests by completing one Harrowstorm in either zone.

I don't think world events should necessarily be something all players can do solo. I think group events are important in an MMO. Most have been eliminated in this game. Some players used to wait at Dolmens for other players to show up. Delve and Public Dungeon bosses too, until they were all nerfed. Can we not have some overland encounters suited for groups?

It's important to have activities to motivate players to group up to complete. It would be nice to preserve some of the few public group activities we have remaining in ESO.

Something like this might be tough to put in place. What happens when you are soloing the storm and when you have it down to two percent another player comes in and gets in a few hits? Do they get the same reward? Does your reward become less because now their are two players?

Most of the World Events, ''Incursions'' or whatever name ZOS uses for them should get a balance pass on their rewards. I don't entirely oppose to introducing a scaling mechanic to them similar to the one used in GW2 events for example, but they should never scale below 4 players(group size) since that would end up being just a Delve-tier open world event.

They did a pretty decent job with Dragons(D.Rheum/Blood), so there is no reason why they can't update rewards for stuff like Bastion Nymics, Harrowstorms, Geysers, etc. These updated rewards would obviously be tied to the events themselves and not their associated dailies, to encourage repeating them.

Imo there is no reason for all these events to have such garbage-tier rewards, like seriously picking up 3 flowers is more lucrative than 90%+ of ''Incursions''.

kargen27 wrote: »

Something like this might be tough to put in place. What happens when you are soloing the storm and when you have it down to two percent another player comes in and gets in a few hits? Do they get the same reward? Does your reward become less because now their are two players?

They get the same rewards. Same as they do on low health enemies in general from every other mob in the game.

I think someone already mentioned that the reward does not cover the cost of repairs. That is what really bugs me.

There is a minuscule chance to get a Vampiric plan but if you don’t get one then it is all garbage. Even if you do get one it will be a blue plan that is worthless.

I just bought up the purple plans when I could find them at a somewhat decent price, relatively speaking. Like many furnishing plan sources, the chance of getting these keeps the prices sky high at first and then they retain their value because as fewer players do the content, there are fewer plans in the traders.

These plans have never been available as a random furnishing plan envelope from the writ guy either, it’s just baffling. Then if they did add one it would be mixed and mostly blues anyway, so it wouldn’t help much

How many times do you want to beat your head against the wall for nothing, basically?

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

Just popped in to say, I don't exactly disagree with you. I really enjoyed harrowstorms and did the daily almost every day for a while for similar reasons. Until at some point, I wanna say last year... there started to never be anyone else doing them. I eventually stopped because it wasn't worth the effort to solo. (Once I had collected all the vampiric plans).

So idk if the solution is to make them easier, but certainly older content like this could be re-incentivized with some updated rewards and maybe that would be enough to bring the groups back, at least for a time. Just thinking that perhaps part of the problem here is there's sort of a mismatch where the vet players who like the difficulty may not be motivated by the now very old rewards, while newer players who want them may not be able to do the content yet.

I don't think any content can be infinitely interesting. They are highly rewarding for players who are still collecting the quest loot when the total effort is considered. The game has so many activities that naturally players will be spread out according to what's interesting to them, what they're looking for and what they've already done.

I went through my western skyrim daily phase, enjoyed it for a while, got bored and moved on, like many zones. I would call that working as intended.

Players have tools available to them to recruit other players to help from zone chat to the group finder. I was usually able to find players interested in joining in zone chat.

Wildberryjack wrote: »

There were only four of us out there the other day trying to do these. I finally just left because it wasn't worth the time involved anymore. Yeah they need to scale to the number of players doing them.

It should be effortless for 4 players who understand the mechanics. All you have to do is control the lost souls and mini bosses won't spawn. It only takes one player per pike to do that. I can do it solo with a high mobility build.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I think someone already mentioned that the reward does not cover the cost of repairs. That is what really bugs me.

The reward is pretty good for players on the daily western skyrim hs quest. Even better if they also have the reach quest. The reward for those quests include furniture plans, motifs, zone sets and scribing scripts. Not bad for about 5-10 minutes.

Once players have everything after doing so many harrowstorms, it is understandable that they would move on to something different.

Desiato wrote: »

Players have tools available to them to recruit other players to help from zone chat to the group finder. I was usually able to find players interested in joining in zone chat.

Well that's not the same experience I hear from many newer players in zone and guilds. They are often pretty desperate to find help to do old overland content that's too difficult for them, but no one wants to bother. After repeating this experience enough times, they're left with a bad impression of the game.

I'm not saying the solution is to nerf all the old content which I agree would kind of defeat the purpose of it existing, but I'll have to agree to disagree on the other point and continue to suggest that they should look at old content and what they might do to incentivize players to return to it.

Of course it can't be kept infinitely interesting, but people certainly seem to return to old content in droves during events, which suggests to me that some re-working of or occasional additions to the rewards would likely generate interest in older content again, for some amount of time to some extent.

[EDIT for typo].

I just can't understand why, at this point, all the world events don't scale according to the number of players engaging them.