I am very happy they only did main quests in a DLC like this for brotherhood and thief’s guild or I would have stopped playing and buying ESO DLC for good.

Horrendous design to progress and super boring. I am amazed they didn’t change the main story by now and removed the ‘do mundane boring thing 12 times to progress to next quest’.

The thing I most remember about that quest line is what happens after it finishes. Several times, when you enter the sanctuary, the werewolf nord is having some absolutely hilarious conversations with some of her brotherhood colleagues.

While I kinda agree that the Gold Coast zone ( and background ) was maybe a bit wasted ( but hey, Gold Coast and Hew's Bane are, in fact, very small zones so there's only so much you can put in it ), I don't think the Dark Brotherood questline was that bad. Maybe not the best either, but then, it's everyone taste.

As for the character and attachement for it, I think it's really up to the player to have interest in them, to read the books and written scraps between quest, to talk to them, etc. I kinda liked the nord girl, remember her story with the giants, how she ( maybe ? ) helped them; the written scraps for the breton girl were interesting, even if I don't really mind her; the redguard strong guy was, well, not standing out but still; the argonian alchemist was kinda alway funny to talk too, and i'm a bit sad we never seen him again ( yet ); and the rest of the cast ( the dark elf questgiver we see again in Blackwood, the Speaker, the nord big brother, the mother superior of the refuge, the ennemy, the archon of the order of the hour, the count of Kvatch, the pirate queen of Anvil, and i'm not even talking about all the others that are not in the main questline ), while not that important or developped, are still there with their motivations, stories, actions, manners, attitudes, etc ). And Remain-Silent have such wonderful dialog options.

One of the problem is the obvious lack of interest you have for this story : if you don't want to invest yourself in it, well, you can blame whatever you want, but I think it's also a you problem.

And then, everyone have personnal tastes : I would have like more political plots, more content about the rivalry between Kvatch and the pirate controled Anvil, more Ayleid stuff, a nice reference to the Grey Prince quest in Oblivion, or the haunted manor, etc. I was not entirely convinced by some parts of the main questline. I have my preferences, my own tastes, and that's fine : not everything will entirely please me. But it's a me problem.

Toanis wrote: »

IDK, I'm bad with names, but the Argonian philosopher, the breton minx and the shy werewolf girl certainly stand out from one-shot NPCs in other DLCs. I barely remember anything about the Greymoor cast, for example, aside from Lyris kinda being there. (Verandis and crew were only in Markath, right?)

Well Fenn-vampire was a big part of the main greymoor questline, and one other vampire girl I thing ? Not sure about Lyris, she show up in markath in a side quest with Say ( where he learn to, hum, reignite his 'sword' with her ). Greymoor have some nice sidequests characters tho.

Remember too, DB and TG are YEARS old and were the games very first Adventure zone expansions before the idea of Chapters were even a thing. They're essentially test beds, ZOS getting their footing.

Toanis wrote: »

I barely remember anything about the Greymoor cast, for example, aside from Lyris kinda being there. (Verandis and crew were only in Markath, right?)

Verandis was only in Markarth. But Greymoor had Fennorian, Lyris, old hag Mjolen, Princess Svana, King Svargrim, Rada al-Saran,... Some I didn't even find well-written, but I somehow still remember them, at least.

I think it was more about the skill line, in which case it's fine. I wish they'd give more small zone DLCs if it meant it came with a full skill line that can be used by all chars with more new & unique offerings. Not just barren wastelands though, I actually liked gold coast's atmosphere & bosses at least

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I never did understand the fascination players have with DB. It’s an over-the -top ultra overdramatic Daedric cult which glorifies murdering civilians for a so-called higher purpose. Lol.

I do enjoy the passives, though. Most notably the shadowy rider one.

It's the choice. A choice most games won't allow, especially not MMOs where you're supposed to be the all-great "hero" of the world... ES actually lets you diverge from that path, you can have a villainous character, a charitable character, a rogue mercenary/etc... ESO is effectively the GTA of RPGs which is part of why it's so good.

Kappachi wrote: »

It's the choice. A choice most games won't allow, especially not MMOs where you're supposed to be the all-great "hero" of the world... ES actually lets you diverge from that path, you can have a villainous character, a charitable character, a rogue mercenary/etc... ESO is effectively the GTA of RPGs which is part of why it's so good.

But in most of story quests outside of DB and Thieves Guild, you're still playing the good guy. If you want the skills associated with Fighters and Mages Guild, the same. Or if you want to use scribing.

I'd prefer playing an assassin character without the need to be part of an edgy cult.

Syldras wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

It's the choice. A choice most games won't allow, especially not MMOs where you're supposed to be the all-great "hero" of the world... ES actually lets you diverge from that path, you can have a villainous character, a charitable character, a rogue mercenary/etc... ESO is effectively the GTA of RPGs which is part of why it's so good.

But in most of story quests outside of DB and Thieves Guild, you're still playing the good guy. If you want the skills associated with Fighters and Mages Guild, the same. Or if you want to use scribing.

I'd prefer playing an assassin character without the need to be part of an edgy cult.

I guess the good thing about DB is once you have leveled up and done all the achievements like me, you can just leave it all behind and go do your own thing.