Gold Road experience

JimFord047 · June 8

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I am Enjoying the New Gold Road, I bought the whole thing and did not wait in anticipation, but went onto the PTS to try all the new bits out, leaving only the quests to be the surprises. I had a FEW Worries , but thought that it would all be sorted out.

What I was led to believe by posts on the forum, bits from others, was that 1 little toon HAD to do Everything.... OK No Problem my little Decade old Sorc was due for this in any case, its done every other one so why not this , even although i really no longer use it!

The inference was that once it did everything that I could then just go and for like 10 gold buy everything for the other toons, GOOD!!!

NOPE.....

I can bring in another toon, and do the introduction to scribing, then go down stairs and buy SOME of the grimoires for 10 Gold!!! the Rest are all 10,000 Gold , cannot remember how many , like 20 of them. that's me at 200,000 Gold , but the ones that I bought in the infinite archive were like 80,000 , (I do not know how much for the next toon as I have Not been back as it cleared me out)

Now I have 18 toons on this account, and 3 other accounts, Yes I play a lot and like to play different roles, as well as Making New toons for Chapters DLC's ect as they come out.

so that's 17 adds. times 200,000 = 3,400,000 |Gold,

I have no time to go looking for things to put up on the guild stores, for a shorter time, as i am trying to find all the scripts! so I cannot MAKE 3,400,000.

I cannot do a daily anything and then buy that script, I have to Keep Doing dailies until i have 18 of them, for each and every one! I do not do the PVP stuff so there is an instance down 3, this is a nightmare!!!

in time YES your going to maybe / possibly Buy them in Guild Stores... but at what prices? and how long to wait.

This was a Game that I played because i liked it and it was relaxing , Now its becoming a JOB, who wants to finish Work, and go to work on a Job that is inherently frustrating.

So the conclusion that was reached was, only build up one toon at a time, then after its fully done, there should be a supply in the guild stores that you can buy... But you now need gold , more gold than you can earn doing this, so the only option will be to buy gold.

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this little rant is just frustration i am facing because over the years i have actually played the game, and made toons. At this rate its going to take me years!!!!! so very frustrating!!!
please let me do 1 toon, and just apply the Grimoires / Scripts etc account wide or charge the 10 gold as a flat rate!

Stop Forcing People to Farm the infinite archive, They don't have time , they are farming for scripts , Stop forcing people to do PVP, some of us Do not like it nor want to do it. Do you want to make people Enjoy your great game, or force them off like happened in World of Warcraft for many!!!

And Yes MY FAULT for having 18 toons, and multiple accounts, but take that as a commitment to the game, not as anything else......

I have a Necro, I never play the Necro, I hate it, I have an Arcanist, never really play it as i do not like it, same with Night blade / Warden... love my Templars, but also love my Dragon Knights.

tried Khajit as a Dragon knight, then a Breton, then a high Elf, now on a dark elf.. I have spent so much time and effort and gold getting them to where they are , I am not going to delete them!!!

I can change an ORC to a Dark Elf, but I cannot change the Necro to a Dragon Knight, Hence Lots of toons, but I still want them All levelled up on everything, so therefor more frustration, with scribing, the necro can be last, but its still going to have to be done, Stalker is looing good right now when it comes out, as it will be onto a game that I can relax with, not put in more hours here than at work for a futile ending!

[edited for conspiracy theory & to remove quote]

AnduinTryggva · June 8

My guess is that it is their take on the creeping inflation by having a more meaningsful gold sink.

JimFord047 · June 8

AND PS, you can Skip the Scribing Quests if you wish, yes the intro does let you have access to the actual scribing,
but doing the quest line gets you 12 Inks. Skip it and you get NONE!!!

30 Random dungeons 2 inks
farming the shiznitz out of everything 4 inks
killing so many it feels like Genocide 2 inks

plus the 12 i had, gives me 20 inks!

18 toons , each with 1 fixed Scribe, will be 54 inks.... I am 34 Short, this is not a shortcut for adds

Luke_Flamesword · June 8

There are 11 grimoures, at least one you get by quest so it's 10 to buy not 20. You wrote such a long text and make some maths you didn't even check actual numbers?

Also you don't need all grimoires on all characters - just buy these one which you will use.

Djennku · June 8

Buying gold from third party websites is illegal and will get you banned fyi.

AnduinTryggva · June 8

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

There are 11 grimoures, at least one you get by quest so it's 10 to buy not 20. You wrote such a long text and make some maths you didn't even check actual numbers?

Also you don't need all grimoires on all characters - just buy these one which you will use.

My issue with this scribing stuff is that one has no idea which will proof useful for you and which may better have been left unbought.

nenekotanb16_ESO · June 8

Why do you need all the scripts and all the grimoires on all your characters ASAP?

I am happily playing some dailies of the new zones, slowly getting some scripts on my main and selling all my ink to profit from everyone else who seems so rushed to try and finish the new content in days/weeks rather than naturally gain it. Same with motifs/etc.

I do dailies once in a while with my alts. Why not let these scripts naturally come? The main annoyance for alts with scribing are the (short) starter quest which you need to repeat, and the mages guild "subsidised scripts" (which you can currently cheese by using you bank). The rest can come naturally.

JimFord047 · June 8

I play ALL the toons, All the time, The "ALTS" are actually the ones that i do not play , so Yes I can cut the 20 down to 16, but now ony one can use the tank script (assuming i find the taunt one), same with the healers!! they are ALL multi Role, not 1 for tank and 1 for heal , and 1 for DPS, they all do it All....

Just how I enjoy playing the game, and after all its all about the person enjoying playing the game, otherwise what's the point!!!

I would rather i stayed working, as I actually loved my job, as nothing was ever the same , than come home and do repeat after repeat.

I do not NEED to have it all done in the first week.... But I Would like to find the best ones for the Toons, that I can use... Remember , if you have been playing the same setup for years, your now having to lose one of those things or more on the skill bar to make way for the scribed bit, So having a mix is actually good to start out witjh....

I am prepared to build it up, over months if i need to, but allow me to have the same things on all the toons at the same time, or i am just going to be farming for nothing.

And well done at actually finding ink to sell.... I have not had that pleasure yet! still cannot find enough for what i have since , you do not get any ink with the Skip the Quest start!!1

JimFord047 · June 8

So far, the game as always is pretty, its fun, but this repetition is soul destroying, SO the EXPERIENFCE SO FAR, is a mixed bag, fun to be had whilst heading into the milking parlour, but i like many others are already dried up, so no cream from me!!!

JustLovely · June 8

JimFord047 wrote: »

[snip]

I am Enjoying the New Gold Road, I bought the whole thing and did not wait in anticipation, but went onto the PTS to try all the new bits out, leaving only the quests to be the surprises. I had a FEW Worries , but thought that it would all be sorted out.

What I was led to believe by posts on the forum, bits from others, was that 1 little toon HAD to do Everything.... OK No Problem my little Decade old Sorc was due for this in any case, its done every other one so why not this , even although i really no longer use it!

The inference was that once it did everything that I could then just go and for like 10 gold buy everything for the other toons, GOOD!!!

NOPE.....

I can bring in another toon, and do the introduction to scribing, then go down stairs and buy SOME of the grimoires for 10 Gold!!! the Rest are all 10,000 Gold , cannot remember how many , like 20 of them. that's me at 200,000 Gold , but the ones that I bought in the infinite archive were like 80,000 , (I do not know how much for the next toon as I have Not been back as it cleared me out)

Now I have 18 toons on this account, and 3 other accounts, Yes I play a lot and like to play different roles, as well as Making New toons for Chapters DLC's ect as they come out.

so that's 17 adds. times 200,000 = 3,400,000 |Gold,

I have no time to go looking for things to put up on the guild stores, for a shorter time, as i am trying to find all the scripts! so I cannot MAKE 3,400,000.

I cannot do a daily anything and then buy that script, I have to Keep Doing dailies until i have 18 of them, for each and every one! I do not do the PVP stuff so there is an instance down 3, this is a nightmare!!!

in time YES your going to maybe / possibly Buy them in Guild Stores... but at what prices? and how long to wait.

This was a Game that I played because i liked it and it was relaxing , Now its becoming a JOB, who wants to finish Work, and go to work on a Job that is inherently frustrating.

So the conclusion that was reached was, only build up one toon at a time, then after its fully done, there should be a supply in the guild stores that you can buy... But you now need gold , more gold than you can earn doing this, so the only option will be to buy gold.

[snip]

this little rant is just frustration i am facing because over the years i have actually played the game, and made toons. At this rate its going to take me years!!!!! so very frustrating!!!
please let me do 1 toon, and just apply the Grimoires / Scripts etc account wide or charge the 10 gold as a flat rate!

Stop Forcing People to Farm the infinite archive, They don't have time , they are farming for scripts , Stop forcing people to do PVP, some of us Do not like it nor want to do it. Do you want to make people Enjoy your great game, or force them off like happened in World of Warcraft for many!!!

And Yes MY FAULT for having 18 toons, and multiple accounts, but take that as a commitment to the game, not as anything else......

I have a Necro, I never play the Necro, I hate it, I have an Arcanist, never really play it as i do not like it, same with Night blade / Warden... love my Templars, but also love my Dragon Knights.

tried Khajit as a Dragon knight, then a Breton, then a high Elf, now on a dark elf.. I have spent so much time and effort and gold getting them to where they are , I am not going to delete them!!!

I can change an ORC to a Dark Elf, but I cannot change the Necro to a Dragon Knight, Hence Lots of toons, but I still want them All levelled up on everything, so therefor more frustration, with scribing, the necro can be last, but its still going to have to be done, Stalker is looing good right now when it comes out, as it will be onto a game that I can relax with, not put in more hours here than at work for a futile ending!

[edited for conspiracy theory & to remove quote]

An awesome for you!

XSTRONG · June 8

Having new meaningful Gold sinks in the game is very good in my opinion, as of now Gold in Eso are just for the trading market.

We need more meaningful Gold sinks in game!

Also the new Scribing system have been out on PC for a week, many players in this game seems to think that if a new system is released you should 100% finish it in 1 day? How fun would that be?

KV_Tootn · June 9

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

My guess is that it is their take on the creeping inflation by having a more meaningsful gold sink.

Ye but not everyone is swimming and siting on gold pot

))

VouxeTheMinotaur · June 9

I dont think scribing is meant to be something to be completed as soon as possible. ZOS will likely add more scripts and grimoires overtime in the future to keep players invested, and if they continue to add more classes then definitely more scripts and grim's with it.
Scribing seems like one of those "back burner" activities to remember down the road. You keep playing the game as normal, make gold, sell things in stores / merchants, whatever it is you do to make money, overtime it accumulates til you make a new toon or build with maybe a new race (as if) or class that comes out, then you'll have the funds to really mess with it.
I don't think anyone was really expecting it to be this expensive, nor did ZOS give any idea in the previews that it would be from my understanding. so of course it's a bit frustrating at first, but overtime it'll just kinda dwindle down really. i mean, making a custom skill like that does sound like it demands a high price and time considering how some can really change the core of a players character or build.
honestly i'm just happy it costs gold rather than ZOS somehow making it into a crown store token. expensive as hell only to my characters wallet, not my own.

katanagirl1 · June 10

VouxeTheMinotaur wrote: »

I dont think scribing is meant to be something to be completed as soon as possible. ZOS will likely add more scripts and grimoires overtime in the future to keep players invested, and if they continue to add more classes then definitely more scripts and grim's with it.
Scribing seems like one of those "back burner" activities to remember down the road. You keep playing the game as normal, make gold, sell things in stores / merchants, whatever it is you do to make money, overtime it accumulates til you make a new toon or build with maybe a new race (as if) or class that comes out, then you'll have the funds to really mess with it.
I don't think anyone was really expecting it to be this expensive, nor did ZOS give any idea in the previews that it would be from my understanding. so of course it's a bit frustrating at first, but overtime it'll just kinda dwindle down really. i mean, making a custom skill like that does sound like it demands a high price and time considering how some can really change the core of a players character or build.
honestly i'm just happy it costs gold rather than ZOS somehow making it into a crown store token. expensive as hell only to my characters wallet, not my own.

So you are really saying we should be content paying for the chapter now and having to wait for our next toon to use it? That would be like buying Greymoor and waiting until Blackwood to be able to dig up anything.

Sarannah · June 10

VouxeTheMinotaur wrote: »

I dont think scribing is meant to be something to be completed as soon as possible. ZOS will likely add more scripts and grimoires overtime in the future to keep players invested, and if they continue to add more classes then definitely more scripts and grim's with it.

The problem with this is that players want to play with and create the new skills BEFORE they start playing a character for hundreds of hours. It is not fun to burn out on a character to get access to a system, and then no longer wanting to play that character. Ohw, and the system is not accountwide, so picking another character to play means the grind starts all over again! (This is even besides placing the scripts in the worst possible locations: PvP and stupid dailies I no longer want to touch at all.)

Scribing should be easily accessible, just like leads/mythics. Scripts should be accountwide unlocks. Accessibility is what makes these kind of systems great and usable. Scribing is already gated by ink, that should be the only gatekeeping.

PS: Already NOT looking forward to ZOS adding more scripts, as that just means more stupid grinding.
PPS: Normally I am all for going slow/not rushing. But not with systems like these.

EF321 · June 10

Sarannah wrote: »

VouxeTheMinotaur wrote: »

I dont think scribing is meant to be something to be completed as soon as possible. ZOS will likely add more scripts and grimoires overtime in the future to keep players invested, and if they continue to add more classes then definitely more scripts and grim's with it.

The problem with this is that players want to play with and create the new skills BEFORE they start playing a character for hundreds of hours. It is not fun to burn out on a character to get access to a system, and then no longer wanting to play that character. Ohw, and the system is not accountwide, so picking another character to play means the grind starts all over again! (This is even besides placing the scripts in the worst possible locations: PvP and stupid dailies I no longer want to touch at all.)

Scribing should be easily accessible, just like leads/mythics. Scripts should be accountwide unlocks. Accessibility is what makes these kind of systems great and usable. Scribing is already gated by ink, that should be the only gatekeeping.

PS: Already NOT looking forward to ZOS adding more scripts, as that just means more stupid grinding.
PPS: Normally I am all for going slow/not rushing. But not with systems like these.

You can bank scripts for alts, learn them before you even complete any scribing quests, then do 5 minute quest and instantly buy grimores and scribe all the skills you want.

JimFord047 · June 10

Sarannah wrote: »

VouxeTheMinotaur wrote: »

I dont think scribing is meant to be something to be completed as soon as possible. ZOS will likely add more scripts and grimoires overtime in the future to keep players invested, and if they continue to add more classes then definitely more scripts and grim's with it.

The problem with this is that players want to play with and create the new skills BEFORE they start playing a character for hundreds of hours. It is not fun to burn out on a character to get access to a system, and then no longer wanting to play that character. Ohw, and the system is not accountwide, so picking another character to play means the grind starts all over again! (This is even besides placing the scripts in the worst possible locations: PvP and stupid dailies I no longer want to touch at all.)

Scribing should be easily accessible, just like leads/mythics. Scripts should be accountwide unlocks. Accessibility is what makes these kind of systems great and usable. Scribing is already gated by ink, that should be the only gatekeeping.

PS: Already NOT looking forward to ZOS adding more scripts, as that just means more stupid grinding.
PPS: Normally I am all for going slow/not rushing. But not with systems like these.

You got it in ONE!!!

Military saying "Prior Preparation Prevents a *** Poor Performance", I have been on the PTS done all the Scribing Messing around, But no Quests etc, I wanted to wait for the release!

I found the Concept Brilliant, but with Flaws, all linked to the Character / Role / Race / CP's / Objectives. So the setup has to be tweaked on each toon!

I have no problem with this, and I am prepared to spend Hours / Days / Weeks / Months, hell even YEARS, to get it Just the way that I WANT.

I am Still sending Every Toon through the First Quest line, and have Bought ALL the Grimoires / Scripts that I can, farmed thew free ones, done daily Quests and Dungeons . Which was my Point, I can not do all of that all the time, for 1 toon YES, for 20 NO , there are not enough hours in the day!

And I am playing more than most of you, the only advantage of Disability!!!

I am NOT going to use the scribing, until i can use it on All Toons, I HAVE got a specific setup in mind for the Healers and the Tank's, but It's going to be pointless to set up 1 Tank and 2 Healers , when i play the other 17 Just as Much! so they all have to be the same, and they cannot until I have all of the scripts etc.

and Yes the thought of future scripts is annoying to say the least. Farming the hell out of things to end up with Multiples of Bound Scripts that you can only delete, and prove the time you have wasted, (example, I bought all of the scripts which included the Knight one, for all the toons, only to find that i had 4 in my bank, so there's 40,000 gold wasted !)

I am Prepared to Learn the Scripts
I Am Prepared to Farm the Scripts
I am Prepared to Buy the Scripts
I Am prepared to take lots of Time

I am Not happy at having to do it for EVERY TOON, I am Honestly getting Put off of Gold Road!!!

I would have put every toon through the Whole thing, main and side Quests over time, but so far I have done 1... only 1, because I DO NOT HAVE TIME TO PLAY THE GAME, BECUASE OF FARMING, AND DOING REPEAT QUESTS!!! and spending more gold on bits to allow me to play in the past week than i have done in the past few years!

I am for once getting really bored and fed up with the game, and that after 10 years of playing, playing a game i was really happy to play.

Scribing is really sickening me of this game... and its a shame, its a great game....

"We Need More Gold Sinks!" , to refer back the way,,,, NO WE DO NOT!!! we need more things to engage us to spend gold on!!!

My Wife Buys outfits , mounts , pets , houses.... Anything that takes her fancy! I get free mounts, paint my armours , get free pets.... (Yes I do buy things with crowns!) , she plays in third person and sees herself all the time, I play in First Person, and do not know what i look like !!! She can See everything around her, I am 80% Blind and can hardly see the screen.. 2 Different perspectives in the same household on the same game.

I am Plodding on, She has already just about stopped playing heading off to other games , "I thought you said this Scribing was going to make the game Better ? All I seem to do is the same thing again and again, This is like doing a job you do not like!".... And I do not blame her.

I was going to be taking a break from this in September for STALKER, but at this rate it might be sooner!!!

JimFord047 · June 10

Oh , before i forget....

Here is another problem with Multiple toons.....

Collecting All of the scripts etc, and putting them in the bank, when they eventually "change!" in the store, and you go through the toons buying them, Unless you go through the bank and check which ones you have, Your going to spend money for nothing!

There is NOT ENOUGH BANK SPACE to hold 20 copies of everything!!!

And the above only works if you can actually see what you have! Some of us are visually impaired and Cannot see what's in the bank! Others may be dyslexic, different problem same result!

This is not a CONSPIRACY THEORY, OR ABUSE of Zennimax .... I Do not know or Not Know if they actually try and take disabilities into account, after all we are a minority in the bigger picture, But the Struggle Is REAL, and until you haave a thing to struggle with , its not a problem.... then you can either give in or try and overcome.

So just before this get pounced upon, I would ask people to be understanding of others with Disabilities , who are trying to live as normal life as they can, And the Guilds, and people online, are what a lot of people have as their only Social interaction out with their family , so for lots this is not only a Game, its their Motivation in a lot of ways!

VouxeTheMinotaur · June 10

katanagirl1 wrote: »

VouxeTheMinotaur wrote: »

I dont think scribing is meant to be something to be completed as soon as possible. ZOS will likely add more scripts and grimoires overtime in the future to keep players invested, and if they continue to add more classes then definitely more scripts and grim's with it.
Scribing seems like one of those "back burner" activities to remember down the road. You keep playing the game as normal, make gold, sell things in stores / merchants, whatever it is you do to make money, overtime it accumulates til you make a new toon or build with maybe a new race (as if) or class that comes out, then you'll have the funds to really mess with it.
I don't think anyone was really expecting it to be this expensive, nor did ZOS give any idea in the previews that it would be from my understanding. so of course it's a bit frustrating at first, but overtime it'll just kinda dwindle down really. i mean, making a custom skill like that does sound like it demands a high price and time considering how some can really change the core of a players character or build.
honestly i'm just happy it costs gold rather than ZOS somehow making it into a crown store token. expensive as hell only to my characters wallet, not my own.

So you are really saying we should be content paying for the chapter now and having to wait for our next toon to use it? That would be like buying Greymoor and waiting until Blackwood to be able to dig up anything.

Not at all what i'm saying but i get the frustration

wolfie1.0. · June 10

I have around 50 ish accounts and somewhere between 300 to 500 ish characters. Trust me when I say I understand grind fatigue.

My approach is simple. I looked at the pts and I looked at scribing. There are a lot of cool things you can do with it.

That said, unless your into hardcore pvp, there really isn't anything you really need from scribing. Is it helpful? Yes. But not worth the rush on.

Take your time. Scribbling isn't going anywhere.

history shows it will be made easier and not harder, don't stress over the scrind.

That said. ZOS, please just make these things tradeable between players.

tom6143346 · June 10

The people are just sick of the rng layer over rng layer over rng layer that the game has, and still burnt out from grind for style pages at anniversary event. Some are lucky and get super nice drop rates where others have to do mindless grinding and still not able to get nearly same result. For me the game feels more and more like a job tbh where you have to put a crazy amount of hours into it , if you want to accomplish something. The point where i getting tired of it, is not far away. And I think I’m not the only one

barney2525 · June 10

what is aggravating me is my 'associates' giving me clues where to go that are false. I was under the impression these were people we were supposed to be able to rely on for information.

Doing the Dragon

They say 'only 3 major cities to find the chest for the Rich riddle. Rawl'ka Dune Arenthia. Went to Rawl'ka, success, then went to Dune. Nothing there but a destroyed town full of beasts. No chest. Followed my markers all over the place and the 'here it is' icon never showed anything, like it did in Rawl'ka.
BUT ... there are lots of Beasts. Started killing them for the Hunting riddle. They don't register, don't qualify apparently. Just a big old waste of time.
This whole thing of spreading everything out over entire zones where there are not close wayshrines just takes all the fun out of it.