Agreed! I would love to see more polymorphs in the game. a Vampire Lord Polymorph would be awesome, similar to how they looked in transformation in TES:Skyrim. The way they "sprint" is by subtly floating mid-air and flap its wings. Polymorphs with a locked, premade personality on them based on the morph itself, rather than being able to select an already owned personality over it, would add more of its own unique and signature look.

ZOS, if you're looking for more crown store ideas (or maybe a new conqueror / trifecta reward for us to earn) i would definitely consider a fresh polymorph: a vampire, a minotaur, those deer druids from Galen with a leafy chest sash, the greatsword knight from the high isle loading screen / cinematic. How about another goblin type? Or what about a Pahmar-Raht with some primal looking gear on.

So many ideas come flooding in, good potential for ZOS and more diversity in the game that can create some unique interactions, i can imagine running through a dungeon and saying "that minotaur tank is awesome" "a healing druid? that's freakin' cool" etc etc.

It would be nice but the problem is the vampire ultima is a vampire lord form so I don't see it happening.

I could see it as a skill style, though I’m really wishing ZOS would add Grey Host vamprisim and have the ult morphs be Vampire Lord and Bloodknight. Or just a new strain of vampirism in general… Same with lycanthropes.

There is one small problem..

Do you remember the Wraith of Crows Polymorph?


Now look at what an actual Wraith of Crows looks like


Now what about the Harrowing Reaper Polymorph?


Now look at what an actual Harrowing Reaper looks like



Do you see where I am coming from? the point I am trying to make is a Vampire Lord polymorph will very likely lack wings which will make it look more like a Blood Scion, not to mention Vampire Lords are about 12 feet tall? they are not going to make you 12 feet tall so the form you get will be minuscule compared to the real deal, many previous polymorphs also do not change the shape of various limbs and Vampire Lords are not entirely Humanoid but Polymorphs need to be because they use Humanoid animations (look at the previous mentioned polymorphs, a wraith of crows has human feet despite the actual creature having bird like Talons)

The end result of a Vampire Lord polymorph will be something that resembles a Mini-Blood Scion with a Human body, is that what you want? you would resemble a bad cosplayer so why even bother especially when we already can transform into a Blood Scion, a creature which lore-wise would be superior to many a Vampire Lord unless you for some reason think that the blood of Lamae Bal, the oldest and most powerful Vampire would bestow less might then say the blood of an irrelevant Vampire Lord like Harkon.

Cameron991 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

There is one small problem..

Do you remember the Wraith of Crows Polymorph?


Now look at what an actual Wraith of Crows looks like


Now what about the Harrowing Reaper Polymorph?


Now look at what an actual Harrowing Reaper looks like



Do you see where I am coming from? the point I am trying to make is a Vampire Lord polymorph will very likely lack wings which will make it look more like a Blood Scion, not to mention Vampire Lords are about 12 feet tall? they are not going to make you 12 feet tall so the form you get will be minuscule compared to the real deal, many previous polymorphs also do not change the shape of various limbs and Vampire Lords are not entirely Humanoid but Polymorphs need to be because they use Humanoid animations (look at the previous mentioned polymorphs, a wraith of crows has human feet despite the actual creature having bird like Talons)

The end result of a Vampire Lord polymorph will be something that resembles a Mini-Blood Scion with a Human body, is that what you want? you would resemble a bad cosplayer so why even bother especially when we already can transform into a Blood Scion, a creature which lore-wise would be superior to many a Vampire Lord unless you for some reason think that the blood of Lamae Bal, the oldest and most powerful Vampire would bestow less might then say the blood of an irrelevant Vampire Lord like Harkon.

There can always be a first with the wings, they don’t have to be moving or anything they can be stagnant similar to the armor style wings. Also the new datamines I saw somewhere has Molag bal as a poly with his tale so if they can have a tale they can have tiny wings the lords have. Also I’m gonna have to disagree with you on the lord being weaker then the scion given the lord got it’s blood and transformation from the creator of vampirism himself Molag bal that being said I will argue his blood is stronger then lemae given he’s a Daedric prince. Also it doesn’t need to be as tall or anything as the actual one just like the wraith of crows

And Lamae Bal is the original Vampire, it does not matter if Molag Bal created Vampirism, All of Lamae Bal's Blood is Molag Bal's Blood and then she experimented with it to create something greater which is why the Blood Scion isn't effected by the things that lesser strains like the Volkihar are effected by like the Sun, are you forgetting the Blood Scion can grow strong enough (Perfect Scion) to resist things that a Vampire Lord cannot, the entire plot of Dawnguard was because some weak Vampire Lord was scared of the sun, something a Scion would laugh at, even Rada-Al-Saran was weak to sunlight.

The fact is the Vampire Lord is the grotesque base model, the scion is the enhanced version ridding the form of things it does not need.

Cameron991 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

There is one small problem..

Do you remember the Wraith of Crows Polymorph?


Now look at what an actual Wraith of Crows looks like


Now what about the Harrowing Reaper Polymorph?


Now look at what an actual Harrowing Reaper looks like



Do you see where I am coming from? the point I am trying to make is a Vampire Lord polymorph will very likely lack wings which will make it look more like a Blood Scion, not to mention Vampire Lords are about 12 feet tall? they are not going to make you 12 feet tall so the form you get will be minuscule compared to the real deal, many previous polymorphs also do not change the shape of various limbs and Vampire Lords are not entirely Humanoid but Polymorphs need to be because they use Humanoid animations (look at the previous mentioned polymorphs, a wraith of crows has human feet despite the actual creature having bird like Talons)

The end result of a Vampire Lord polymorph will be something that resembles a Mini-Blood Scion with a Human body, is that what you want? you would resemble a bad cosplayer so why even bother especially when we already can transform into a Blood Scion, a creature which lore-wise would be superior to many a Vampire Lord unless you for some reason think that the blood of Lamae Bal, the oldest and most powerful Vampire would bestow less might then say the blood of an irrelevant Vampire Lord like Harkon.

There can always be a first with the wings, they don’t have to be moving or anything they can be stagnant similar to the armor style wings. Also the new datamines I saw somewhere has Molag bal as a poly with his tale so if they can have a tale they can have tiny wings the lords have. Also I’m gonna have to disagree with you on the lord being weaker then the scion given the lord got it’s blood and transformation from the creator of vampirism himself Molag bal that being said I will argue his blood is stronger then lemae given he’s a Daedric prince. Also it doesn’t need to be as tall or anything as the actual one just like the wraith of crows

And Lamae Bal is the original Vampire, it does not matter if Molag Bal created Vampirism, All of Lamae Bal's Blood is Molag Bal's Blood and then she experimented with it to create something greater which is why the Blood Scion isn't effected by the things that lesser strains like the Volkihar are effected by like the Sun, are you forgetting the Blood Scion can grow strong enough (Perfect Scion) to resist things that a Vampire Lord cannot, the entire plot of Dawnguard was because some weak Vampire Lord was scared of the sun, something a Scion would laugh at, even Rada-Al-Saran was weak to sunlight.

The fact is the Vampire Lord is the grotesque base model, the scion is the enhanced version ridding the form of things it does not need.

I do agree that the scion was stronger in aspects that the lord lacked but overall strength and magical power I still believe the lord takes the place. The strengths that lenses line gives us are obviously great strengths such as sunlight and feeding makes them stronger. That being said I do still believe the lord is stronger in a fight against a scion if no external factors like the sun are involved. And also I can’t help but think about how the blood scion was created after in an update from the original lemae vampire abilities we had at launch(Ik it’s still canon) my point being I think it was a situation that was made to sound the most powerful to make fans able to play as they normally would without the sun being a problem and use your own abilities etc. either way I completely respect you and this discussion but I personally think the lord is still on top with its flight, magic, manipulation/telekinesis , gargoyle magic etc

Your forgetting one small detail about the player's Vampirism, every Blood Scion is imbued entirely with Lamae Bal's blood having their own blood completely replaced with hers and being the original Vampire would she not be the strongest? don't you think the most potent Blood would therefore birth the strongest transformation? had the VL been more powerful don't you think she would of given it to her children?

As for Rada al Saran and his unique looking VL form, well we know for a fact Lady Thorn was turned by him but her form looks like a normal Vampire Lord which suggests his fully-winged form is not natural to him otherwise she would of inherited it, he likely took the idea of a Vampire Lord and made it more bestial as that is his idea of perfection, Lamae Bal on the otherhand took the other route and made it more Humanoid as that is her idea of perfection.

Cameron991 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

There is one small problem..

Do you remember the Wraith of Crows Polymorph?


Now look at what an actual Wraith of Crows looks like


Now what about the Harrowing Reaper Polymorph?


Now look at what an actual Harrowing Reaper looks like



Do you see where I am coming from? the point I am trying to make is a Vampire Lord polymorph will very likely lack wings which will make it look more like a Blood Scion, not to mention Vampire Lords are about 12 feet tall? they are not going to make you 12 feet tall so the form you get will be minuscule compared to the real deal, many previous polymorphs also do not change the shape of various limbs and Vampire Lords are not entirely Humanoid but Polymorphs need to be because they use Humanoid animations (look at the previous mentioned polymorphs, a wraith of crows has human feet despite the actual creature having bird like Talons)

The end result of a Vampire Lord polymorph will be something that resembles a Mini-Blood Scion with a Human body, is that what you want? you would resemble a bad cosplayer so why even bother especially when we already can transform into a Blood Scion, a creature which lore-wise would be superior to many a Vampire Lord unless you for some reason think that the blood of Lamae Bal, the oldest and most powerful Vampire would bestow less might then say the blood of an irrelevant Vampire Lord like Harkon.

There can always be a first with the wings, they don’t have to be moving or anything they can be stagnant similar to the armor style wings. Also the new datamines I saw somewhere has Molag bal as a poly with his tale so if they can have a tale they can have tiny wings the lords have. Also I’m gonna have to disagree with you on the lord being weaker then the scion given the lord got it’s blood and transformation from the creator of vampirism himself Molag bal that being said I will argue his blood is stronger then lemae given he’s a Daedric prince. Also it doesn’t need to be as tall or anything as the actual one just like the wraith of crows

And Lamae Bal is the original Vampire, it does not matter if Molag Bal created Vampirism, All of Lamae Bal's Blood is Molag Bal's Blood and then she experimented with it to create something greater which is why the Blood Scion isn't effected by the things that lesser strains like the Volkihar are effected by like the Sun, are you forgetting the Blood Scion can grow strong enough (Perfect Scion) to resist things that a Vampire Lord cannot, the entire plot of Dawnguard was because some weak Vampire Lord was scared of the sun, something a Scion would laugh at, even Rada-Al-Saran was weak to sunlight.

The fact is the Vampire Lord is the grotesque base model, the scion is the enhanced version ridding the form of things it does not need.

I do agree that the scion was stronger in aspects that the lord lacked but overall strength and magical power I still believe the lord takes the place. The strengths that lenses line gives us are obviously great strengths such as sunlight and feeding makes them stronger. That being said I do still believe the lord is stronger in a fight against a scion if no external factors like the sun are involved. And also I can’t help but think about how the blood scion was created after in an update from the original lemae vampire abilities we had at launch(Ik it’s still canon) my point being I think it was a situation that was made to sound the most powerful to make fans able to play as they normally would without the sun being a problem and use your own abilities etc. either way I completely respect you and this discussion but I personally think the lord is still on top with its flight, magic, manipulation/telekinesis , gargoyle magic etc

Your forgetting one small detail about the player's Vampirism, every Blood Scion is imbued entirely with Lamae Bal's blood having their own blood completely replaced with hers and being the original Vampire would she not be the strongest? don't you think the most potent Blood would therefore birth the strongest transformation? had the VL been more powerful don't you think she would of given it to her children?

As for Rada al Saran and his unique looking VL form, well we know for a fact Lady Thorn was turned by him but her form looks like a normal Vampire Lord which suggests his fully-winged form is not natural to him otherwise she would of inherited it, he likely took the idea of a Vampire Lord and made it more bestial as that is his idea of perfection, Lamae Bal on the otherhand took the other route and made it more Humanoid as that is her idea of perfection.

Well I mean I think lemaes blood is second strongest with Molag bals direct blood being more powerful than hers. And I think she would give her scion wings if she was able to fully craft her vampires. I just think she also hates Molag Val so much that she would change her vampires to be different then his to spit in his face, but i don’t think she has the power to create her children more powerful then molags own creation. And even if she did Molag would be able to create a new even more powerful version to respond similar to the titans being a molags version of a dragon and a xyvkyn being a version of stronger dremora and xiavelli(Ik probably spelled wrong)

It does not matter if a God directly created something, Hircine created Werewolves but I wager a Lich which was created by mortals via a dark Ritual would wipe the floor with one besides Lamae Bal is a Pureblooded Vampire, emphasis on Pure as in 100% Molag Bal's Blood and she passes that to the Vestige through a Dark Ritual, the Vestige does not become a Vampire through a bite, that is merely an initiation, the Blood Scion is a product of that Dark Ritual, it is not something a Vampire can naturally become.

Wings are part of what is "unnecessary" what use are wings when levitation magic is a thing? realistically they would only serve as something for a Werewolf to latch it's teeth onto, not to mention they look like chicken wings.

Vampire Lords of the Gray Host are also too big which results in them being kind of clumsy, also do not even have proper hands which means they cannot properly wield weapons (They have a giant middle finger and a stump little finger) from a combat perspective their form is entirely Unoptimal, It is simply there to look big and scary without Molag Bal putting much thought into it, the Scion however is what Lamae views as the Perfect Vampire.

As for Daedric Titans, they are a poor imitation and are not stronger then Dragons, actual Dragons use the Thu'um, the power to shape reality by speaking Dovahzul which is a far greater power then mere Cold-Fire.