Abysmal Celebration

Auldwulfe · April 26

I think we might want to reconsider what we learned in this event ... one, there was the PTS fiasco. People gave up time in the event, just to do free testing.. and were punished for it, with a ban. Mind, you, I understand it was a glitch, but no amount of endeavor seals, etc, is going to make up for the shear amount of stuff they lost, because they couldn't even farm writs to get the crates of crafting materials.

Then, there was the terrible RNG nature of the style drops..... I realized on day 2, that it honestly, was not worth the grind..... so I wrote them off, as I am pretty sure they will show up, sooner or later, in the endeavor store, or available via another method. And if they don't... oh well..... I also didn't spend hours upon hours of time for them. I would have, if we could have traded them with people we were grouped up with.... as I then would have helped friends who wanted them......

Then, there is the use it or lose it nature of our event tickets.... so, on Wednesday evening, being at 12, I spent 3, so that I could get them back on Thursday morning... and, well... that was denied, too. The number of people that I have heard state that they now have 24 of the confetti things done for the horse, and couldn't get it, because of the maintenance..... I will say, I understand their frustration, although I would also not have wanted the banned people having to wait any longer, either.

By day 4, of this "celebration", I had started logging in, getting writs..... and then going off to play Dead Frontier II, because surviving the Zombie Apocalypse was less depressing than this.....

Auldwulfe

Hapexamendios · April 26

I found the best way to deal with it was to go to the less popular options. Like for dolmens
I didn't go to Alik'r, Auridon or Deshaan. In Vvardenfell I camped at the hunger, he's the furthest from wayshrine. Geysers, unfortunately, had no such option.

virtus753 · April 26

Hapexamendios wrote: »

I found the best way to deal with it was to go to the less popular options. Like for dolmens
I didn't go to Alik'r, Auridon or Deshaan. In Vvardenfell I camped at the hunger, he's the furthest from wayshrine. Geysers, unfortunately, had no such option.

Unfortunately RNG gonna RNG.

I spent just over 20 hours and managed to get all five pages. My partner spent far longer and only got three by the end of the event.

Feels bad when there’s literally nothing we can do to influence the drop chance. When people go literally over 1,000 geysers without Ul’vor, something is very, very wrong with the design decisions involved.

Jaraal · April 26

virtus753 wrote: »

Feels bad when there’s literally nothing we can do to influence the drop chance. When people go literally over 1,000 geysers without Ul’vor, something is very, very wrong with the design decisions involved.

Things are usually made available for tickets if they are not tradeable. Have they said anywhere why they didn't give players the option to complete the collection?

zaria · April 26

Hapexamendios wrote: »

I found the best way to deal with it was to go to the less popular options. Like for dolmens
I didn't go to Alik'r, Auridon or Deshaan. In Vvardenfell I camped at the hunger, he's the furthest from wayshrine. Geysers, unfortunately, had no such option.

I went for Auridon but only bothered in off hours like late at night or early in the morning, even during the day taking an break working from home, always people but rarely an crowd, always got crates unless coming in the boss was up.

I just ignored the special weapons as I have cooler ones for all needs.
Now the event pales to the first I did, it was the second one, started with some thousand golds walked out with 6 millions.
But got an Aetheric Cipher this year who was cool.

virtus753 · April 26

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Feels bad when there’s literally nothing we can do to influence the drop chance. When people go literally over 1,000 geysers without Ul’vor, something is very, very wrong with the design decisions involved.

Things are usually made available for tickets if they are not tradeable. Have they said anywhere why they didn't give players the option to complete the collection?

Not as far as I'm aware, unfortunately. I would love to know if they did. I have not heard of any response to the feedback on style pages other than the encounter lead dismissing it as a "[censored] playwall."

Necrotech_Master · April 26

virtus753 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Feels bad when there’s literally nothing we can do to influence the drop chance. When people go literally over 1,000 geysers without Ul’vor, something is very, very wrong with the design decisions involved.

Things are usually made available for tickets if they are not tradeable. Have they said anywhere why they didn't give players the option to complete the collection?

Not as far as I'm aware, unfortunately. I would love to know if they did. I have not heard of any response to the feedback on style pages other than the encounter lead dismissing it as a "[censored] playwall."

this, there was no reasoning on it from the PTS testing prior to U41, and most of the drop rates were complained about even then and not adjusted at all

im honestly surprised that the style pages were not more available, usually event stuff is "buy bound item with tickets or get a tradeable drop grinding"

BlueRaven · April 26

virtus753 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Feels bad when there’s literally nothing we can do to influence the drop chance. When people go literally over 1,000 geysers without Ul’vor, something is very, very wrong with the design decisions involved.

Things are usually made available for tickets if they are not tradeable. Have they said anywhere why they didn't give players the option to complete the collection?

Not as far as I'm aware, unfortunately. I would love to know if they did. I have not heard of any response to the feedback on style pages other than the encounter lead dismissing it as a "[censored] playwall."

So the encounter lead did not like how it was done? Or did they not like the idea of buying them with tickets?

The response is unclear.

Jaraal · April 26

virtus753 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Feels bad when there’s literally nothing we can do to influence the drop chance. When people go literally over 1,000 geysers without Ul’vor, something is very, very wrong with the design decisions involved.

Things are usually made available for tickets if they are not tradeable. Have they said anywhere why they didn't give players the option to complete the collection?

Not as far as I'm aware, unfortunately. I would love to know if they did. I have not heard of any response to the feedback on style pages other than the encounter lead dismissing it as a "[censored] playwall."

It would also be nice to know why they gated most of the purple event boxes behind a top 12 damage barrier. They talked at one point about "raising the floor," but it seems they were out to reward "top tier" players with how the event prizes were distributed.

virtus753 · April 26

BlueRaven wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Feels bad when there’s literally nothing we can do to influence the drop chance. When people go literally over 1,000 geysers without Ul’vor, something is very, very wrong with the design decisions involved.

Things are usually made available for tickets if they are not tradeable. Have they said anywhere why they didn't give players the option to complete the collection?

Not as far as I'm aware, unfortunately. I would love to know if they did. I have not heard of any response to the feedback on style pages other than the encounter lead dismissing it as a "[censored] playwall."

So the encounter lead did not like how it was done? Or did they not like the idea of buying them with tickets?

The response is unclear.

From my understanding the response was said and phrased in a way that was dismissive of player concerns regarding the extremely low drop rates. I’m not sure that the response pertained to the lack of availability for these pages via tickets or other mechanisms.

I’m also unclear on whether or how the encounter team is even involved in the decision making process here. There is a separate systems team that seems to oversee drops for things like style pages—Finn had to ask them at one point about specifics for the drops of the monster head style pages for dungeons.

virtus753 · April 26

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Feels bad when there’s literally nothing we can do to influence the drop chance. When people go literally over 1,000 geysers without Ul’vor, something is very, very wrong with the design decisions involved.

Things are usually made available for tickets if they are not tradeable. Have they said anywhere why they didn't give players the option to complete the collection?

Not as far as I'm aware, unfortunately. I would love to know if they did. I have not heard of any response to the feedback on style pages other than the encounter lead dismissing it as a "[censored] playwall."

It would also be nice to know why they gated most of the purple event boxes behind a top 12 damage barrier. They talked at one point about "raising the floor," but it seems they were out to reward "top tier" players with how the event prizes were distributed.

Yes, I would agree.

I understand this cap may discourage extremely passive or AFK play, but I think this could stand to be suspended during an event where they are driving players to crowd particular areas (especially geysers). If there are more players there than the cap, either I don’t get a box or I take it away from someone. That’s not in the spirit of a participation event.

MidniteOwl1913 · April 26

Well, the extremely low drop rate for timed items and limiting the take to the top 12 were deliberate decisions made by ZOS.

I hope they understand the game and the players well enough to know that that was going to make for a truly awful grind. I know they aren't stupid and I hope they aren't that oblivious. Doing this for a celebration event was at best petty and mean-spirited. I hope whatever reasons they were damn good ones because this incident has burned a lot of goodwill.

Jaraal · April 26

virtus753 wrote: »

If there are more players there than the cap, either I don’t get a box or I take it away from someone. That’s not in the spirit of a participation event.

I literally heard players in zone chat calling other players selfish, because they would not let low damage players get any loot. And the response was "Git gud" and "Go somewhere else," which of course was impossible for those also trying to get the geyser style page.

What a rock and a hard place to put players between!

valenwood_vegan · April 26

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

If there are more players there than the cap, either I don’t get a box or I take it away from someone. That’s not in the spirit of a participation event.

I literally heard players in zone chat calling other players selfish, because they would not let low damage players get any loot. And the response was "Git gud" and "Go somewhere else," which of course was impossible for those also trying to get the geyser style page.

What a rock and a hard place to put players between!

It really does seem like this event, both by design and due to other issues that occurred, ended up pitting many different groups of players against each other more than it brought them together. A bummer for a 10 year celebration.

StihlReign · April 27

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Feels bad when there’s literally nothing we can do to influence the drop chance. When people go literally over 1,000 geysers without Ul’vor, something is very, very wrong with the design decisions involved.

Things are usually made available for tickets if they are not tradeable. Have they said anywhere why they didn't give players the option to complete the collection?

Not as far as I'm aware, unfortunately. I would love to know if they did. I have not heard of any response to the feedback on style pages other than the encounter lead dismissing it as a "[censored] playwall."

It would also be nice to know why they gated most of the purple event boxes behind a top 12 damage barrier. They talked at one point about "raising the floor," but it seems they were out to reward "top tier" players with how the event prizes were distributed.

It would've been nice if rewards were awarded for doing what folks naturally do in the game.

i.e. Rewarding items based on exp gain, for doing things that reward experience. This would be a better way to not only strengthen the sense of community, but would've relieved the grind atmosphere and complaints.

The bugs and ending of the event left much to be desired for a 10yr event, and I hope to Never see it duplicated - never.

The event ended during a poorly implemented (and then extended) maintenance - how bitter was that?

If you had a ton of Reward boxes to open from PvP - these were relegated to regular rewards and your gift boxes were 'lost'.

Just one example of many, of thousands of items, and time - 'lost'...all due to no fault of the players willing to gift their time and funds to ZOS.

Turning every node into a double resource, and extending the event 2 weeks would've been better than any suggestion I've seen thus far.

Here's hoping for a better next event, whatever and whenever that is.
GL Devs...we're hoping (praying) for glitch free everything.

Jaraal · April 27

StihlReign wrote: »

If you had a ton of Reward boxes to open from PvP - these were relegated to regular rewards and your gift boxes were 'lost'.

They did that with the tel var bags from the MYM event as well.

They said you would receive double tel var (400 instead of the usual 200) from doing the Imperial City dailies, so I earned over 200 Siegemaster's Coffers, and as I have for years, I only opened one per day, since the Siege of Cyrodiil Merits can only be collected once every 24 hours. Imagine how disappointed I was when my double event rewards were converted to regular 200 tv bags when they did the next patch!

ZOS basically took 40,000 tel var away from me for no reason. So it's of no surprise that they confiscated earned anniversary boxes as well. I have no idea why they would plan it that way, as it seems like the antithesis of goodwill.

protofeckless · April 27

You could have predicted this. I you collect a bunch of reward boxes, you can open them daily and the Siege of Cyrodiil Merit will drop each one. Ergo, the drops are determined when you open the reward box, not when you earn it.

You may not like the behavior, but it's acting normally.

Cruxanero · April 27

Yup.That's why I always open the TV bags during the double TV event itself. I even save any additional IC daily boxes I earn over the year until the next double TV event, to open them then.

Jaraal · April 28

protofeckless wrote: »

You could have predicted this. I you collect a bunch of reward boxes, you can open them daily and the Siege of Cyrodiil Merit will drop each one. Ergo, the drops are determined when you open the reward box, not when you earn it.

You may not like the behavior, but it's acting normally.

In the past, the double tel var bags from the Siegemaster's Coffers remained doubled until you opened them. That's why I did not open them all before the end of the last MYM event. They changed the functionality after the fact.

katanagirl1 · April 28

Jaraal wrote: »

protofeckless wrote: »

You could have predicted this. I you collect a bunch of reward boxes, you can open them daily and the Siege of Cyrodiil Merit will drop each one. Ergo, the drops are determined when you open the reward box, not when you earn it.

You may not like the behavior, but it's acting normally.

In the past, the double tel var bags from the Siegemaster's Coffers remained doubled until you opened them. That's why I did not open them all before the end of the last MYM event. They changed the functionality after the fact.

Having one way to cheat players out of earned rewards is bad enough, but to double down on that is truly reprehensible.

Sepultura_13 · April 29

Auldwulfe wrote: »

I think we might want to reconsider what we learned in this event ... one, there was the PTS fiasco. People gave up time in the event, just to do free testing.. and were punished for it, with a ban. Mind, you, I understand it was a glitch, but no amount of endeavor seals, etc, is going to make up for the shear amount of stuff they lost, because they couldn't even farm writs to get the crates of crafting materials.

Then, there was the terrible RNG nature of the style drops..... I realized on day 2, that it honestly, was not worth the grind..... so I wrote them off, as I am pretty sure they will show up, sooner or later, in the endeavor store, or available via another method. And if they don't... oh well..... I also didn't spend hours upon hours of time for them...

Auldwulfe

Jaraal wrote: »

I literally heard players in zone chat calling other players selfish, because they would not let low damage players get any loot. And the response was "Git gud" and "Go somewhere else," which of course was impossible for those also trying to get the geyser style page.

What a rock and a hard place to put players between!

I've been told that any banned account deserved the ban, whether there was a glitch or not - meanwhile, people who scam the system with hacks or whatever coding they utilize can continue with said behavior because...reasons, I guess? I'd refer to the posts which reference this, but I think that they were closed down/locked out - and no, I wasn't the OP in most of them, LOL

I've been told to "Git gud" in BGs, even when it's obvious that I'm being targeted and getting double-teamed by the opposition, while my so-called "team" stands around with thumbs in bums...until I decide to stand at the rez point and do nothing, at which time they suddenly are racking up the Deathmatch kills/capturing the relic/doing awesomely in Domination or Crazy King.

I've also been told that hateful behavior NEVER happens - it's just my imagination, or I'm just "looking to be offended!" Even when I casually asked, in various zones, for friends or new guildies to have fun with in-game after my husband/guildmaster was murdered IRL. I was told to "get help" and "leave the game" because I wanted to add to my guild and friends list. Isn't that special?

So basically, it took 10 years for some people to FINALLY see/experience the utter horse hockey that I have from day one, and I'm not here crying and screaming on the forums on a daily basis. I guess I don't need all of those stars by my name to feel special, popular, or noticed.

Isn't life strange? Real life or virtual, it's a sick, sad world...and, oddly enough, I'm finally amused by and ROTFL about the senseless tedium.

KaosWarMonk · April 29

Wasn't too fussed with the event personally, it was ok, all the events end up being a grind. I got what I could get doing writs and using tickets. If I'm still around, I'll wait til next time and get the rare stuff in a yesteryear baggie or in the store. TBH I'm a bit meh about it, if I never get them no great loss.

I was lucky enough, living where I do, to be able to grab those last tickets in the minute or so before we all got kicked from the server. That was probably the most exciting part of the whole event.

ADarklore · April 29

I ran the event for the Mannimarco staff style, which I got after 30 dolmen runs in Alik'r. The rest of the time I just ran dolmens in Auridon for the mats- which I've now made $5M+ off selling items gained. So for me, it was a worthwhile time just for the gold, that apparently I'll need for the new scribing system- based on PTS comment.

Soraka · April 29

The only reward I didn't get was from the geysers. They simply stressed me out. I'll grind pve a little bit and the fact there were more options for the other rewards... Any dolmen, any fishing, world bosses (soso because only in one zone) made it more diffuse.
The geysers were so rushed and crowded I didn't have it in me to farm it very long. I was using a pve build set up for the archive so I was usually able to get loot from the bosses and the chests but it was simply just stressful. Felt like racing people all around the map or something. I know that's a me issue, but that's what stood out about that one.

I do appreciate some of this event. A free mount (tho issues in implementation shouldn't be ignored) and getting boxes from many sources are appreciated.

Good points OP. Sums up pretty well how I feel.

Necrotech_Master · April 29

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

If there are more players there than the cap, either I don’t get a box or I take it away from someone. That’s not in the spirit of a participation event.

I literally heard players in zone chat calling other players selfish, because they would not let low damage players get any loot. And the response was "Git gud" and "Go somewhere else," which of course was impossible for those also trying to get the geyser style page.

What a rock and a hard place to put players between!

geysers are a bad example of that because the style page was dropped from the participation chest, not the boss loot

as long as you did any dmg to anything you had a chance for the style page

it would make sense for heavily camped WBs though

Nerouyn · April 29

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

geysers are a bad example of that because the style page was dropped from the participation chest, not the boss loot

as long as you did any dmg to anything you had a chance for the style page

Yes, but also the chests didn't drop event reward boxes so it meant that if you were running them - which due to the extremely low RNG would probably mean A LOT - then you were missing out on a lot of those, plus the boss loot.

Making the real cost of trying to get the staff not just your time but all those missed mats and motifs.

CGPsaint · April 29

[quote="Auldwulfe;d-657613"The number of people that I have heard state that they now have 24 of the confetti things done for the horse, and couldn't get it, because of the maintenance...[/quote]

I purchased my 25th fragment a day early because I've learned not to count on the game being up on the final day for me to cash in on tickets/fragments. Fool me once...

virtus753 wrote: »

Feels bad when there’s literally nothing we can do to influence the drop chance. When people go literally over 1,000 geysers without Ul’vor, something is very, very wrong with the design decisions involved.

I spent just over 50 hours farming for the 5 style pages. I had a buddy who farmed as much as possible (8-10 hours per day) for almost the entire event in order to get his 5 pages. I have seen plenty of people in guild chat bemoaning the fact that they were unable to get the pages after committing so insanely many hours to grind. I suspect that this will weigh heavy on the mind for many players when events roll around with similar drops.

Oblivion_Protocol · April 30

Auldwulfe wrote: »

The number of people that I have heard state that they now have 24 of the confetti things done for the horse, and couldn't get it, because of the maintenance.....

I was almost one of those people. I had 24 tickets and woke up early on the last day to a maintenance message. I hadn’t played much the day before, so I didn’t see the announcement. I just laughed hysterically at how poorly handled the entire event was.

Fortunately, I apparently forgot to open a gold coffer on one of my toons, so I still managed to get the horse. But if I didn’t have that final box to open, I’d be completely out of luck.

Jaraal · April 30

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

If there are more players there than the cap, either I don’t get a box or I take it away from someone. That’s not in the spirit of a participation event.

I literally heard players in zone chat calling other players selfish, because they would not let low damage players get any loot. And the response was "Git gud" and "Go somewhere else," which of course was impossible for those also trying to get the geyser style page.

What a rock and a hard place to put players between!

geysers are a bad example of that because the style page was dropped from the participation chest, not the boss loot

as long as you did any dmg to anything you had a chance for the style page

it would make sense for heavily camped WBs though

Right, and that's why I was talking about the purple boxes, not the style page. Would you rather:

a) get loot boxes while farming a style page, or

b) get nothing while 12 other people are getting loot boxes while you're farming a style page?

Because that's exactly how ZOS designed it.

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

I was almost one of those people. I had 24 tickets and woke up early on the last day to a maintenance message. I hadn’t played much the day before, so I didn’t see the announcement. I just laughed hysterically at how poorly handled the entire event was.

Fortunately, I apparently forgot to open a gold coffer on one of my toons, so I still managed to get the horse. But if I didn’t have that final box to open, I’d be completely out of luck.

Yes, you got lucky! But there were countless other people who missed out because they didn't know the second day of the extension would only last 30 seconds before the servers were shut down for maintenance. And not a word from ZOS, even after many posts from left out players asking for an explanation, or a way to finish the mount they had been grinding 20 days for.

calitrumanb14_ESO · April 30

I'm one of the countless people with 24 confetti pieces, thinking I would get the last piece on Thursday. I'm more concerned now that there has been no word from ZOS about acquiring that last confetti bit some other way.. I hypothetically sent in a support ticket asking about it, but my question was hypothetically ignored.

Necrotech_Master · April 30

Jaraal wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

If there are more players there than the cap, either I don’t get a box or I take it away from someone. That’s not in the spirit of a participation event.

I literally heard players in zone chat calling other players selfish, because they would not let low damage players get any loot. And the response was "Git gud" and "Go somewhere else," which of course was impossible for those also trying to get the geyser style page.

What a rock and a hard place to put players between!

geysers are a bad example of that because the style page was dropped from the participation chest, not the boss loot

as long as you did any dmg to anything you had a chance for the style page

it would make sense for heavily camped WBs though

Right, and that's why I was talking about the purple boxes, not the style page. Would you rather:

a) get loot boxes while farming a style page, or

b) get nothing while 12 other people are getting loot boxes while you're farming a style page?

Because that's exactly how ZOS designed it.

i dont disagree that the event box drops from the boss instead of the participation chest was a bad idea (pretty sure thats how its always been though which is why i never farmed dolmens or geysers)

but when i was geyser farming, i knew what to expect and my goal was the staff style page, which was just participation, so i went until i got the style page

i didnt really care that much about the event boxes because they were just OK, i mean mats are alright, but it wasnt as high priority of the staff

i can get mats anytime, i cant get the staff style outside of the event, which was my thought process