Keep Volen away but add the proc sets back into Raven.

That way everyone will know what sets actually work there, which would be a huge improvement over how we have it currently where it's trial and error or googling for some site that might be up to date with the sets. Builds will also overlap more with Battlegrounds so we don't have to have 3 separate setups for CP PvP, no CP PvP & Battlegrounds.

As someone who plays usually at least once a week in Raven, I don't miss Volen at all. It needs high pop on all 3 sides, otherwise it'll just be used by the strongest faction to dominate the weaker ones even further. I do miss the proc sets there since gearing for Raven is quite dull compared to Grey Host.

No matter what, it would be nice if something was done to encourage more players to go into Corodiil and PvP.

I seriously doubt that the ***'s absence is the reason for Ravenwatch's decline.

Instead, if they want to keep the no-proc status, they should
- define what "no proc" actually means in a way that makes sense
- use a definition that creates interesting gameplay
- apply that definition consistently
- create and curate an official list of what works and what not, or better, make that obvious in the game's UI.

Volendrung alone won’t be enough. Add procs and hammer back and this campaign might become enjoyable.

Thank you for your insights and participation. At first glance it might appear that the idea of bringing Volen back to Ravenwatch is not backed by many players, but the sample may be too small for the result to be considered accurate.

It is no surprise that most comments point to one obvious issue: the half-baked no proc change.

@Bucky_13, @tonyblack

Personally, I don’t think that rolling the no proc ruleset back is the way to go. Some of us prefer no proc gameplay and don’t particularly like the idea of having this choice taken away. Bad implementation does not mean that the whole idea is wrong.

@Varana

I agree with the need for a clear definition of proc / no proc. This would make it easier to complete the list of sets that work in Raven to begin with. With a precise definition it would be simple to indicate the type of set, and doing it via the game UI is the best option indeed – nobody should be forced to craft sets and port to Raven just to discover that they aren’t working, it’s a massive waste of players’ time. This information could be displayed just next to the weight type, for example “Heavy Proc”.

Coming back to the main topic, perhaps the hammer could help fight the perceived “dullness” of the no proc campaign, as it brings temporary chaos that can help reshape an otherwise stale map.

@KlauthWarthog

The outcome you describe is likely, but not necessarily the only one: without alliance lock any player can pick up the hammer, i.e. players might relog to temporarily boost a weaker faction.

I have a more drastic idea for Ravenwatch. Basically, I want it to be a "participate in cyro regardless of your account progress" campaign.

• Everyone who enters have ~900 cp to play around with (or some number that is deemed good enough)
• Regular gear is disabled. You can buy curated gear from vendors so you can make your own Ravenwatch build
• That's it.

An even playing field cyrodiil, if you will. I bet a lot of people would participate in a cyrodiil campaign with a low barrier to entry like this. They can nerf AP gain or whatever to keep the rewards of this easy-to-access campaign "balanced" if that could cause problems.

my simple answer is no..

RW (at least on PC EU) is not what it used to be. blues have (quite possibly) successfully killed it. and i am blue. and used to love RW. you have a dude that needs to show everyone he's the boss followed by a group that is organised and optimised to the extent that they're effectively a ball group and when they get killed they become extremely toxic. for whatever reason. i had to switch from RW to GH to have some fights, RW has been nothing but blues dominating everything since the MYM. reds log in, try to get a resource at their gate keep ('cause everything is blue) only to get swarmed by 20+ blues and log out. two weeks ago i logged in to RW with my red character (to get the lvl 1 for Transmutes) on a Saturday at 6pm, which should be prime time. and for about an hour i was the only red in RW. other reds had logged in but left immediately. you can't fight alone against 20 or more. i do see reds and yellows doing a wee bit better nowadays, but it still isn't enough. yes, it's nice to see the map blue, but when everyone leaves whom is going to be left to fight? RW is in a danger of becoming an empty campaign dominated by a handful of people. well, good luck to them, let's see how long is it going to keep being fun for them. and, again, i am blue..

and bringing hammer into this is just going to make matters worse. spawning in DC territory it'll just make them stronger. but spawning in EP or AD territory means pretty much the same thing. the above mentioned dude will just come with his "supergroup" and take it. they're not invincible, but EP nor AD can't organise themselves well enough to fight them effectively. so they'll just take it (Volendrung) and scenario 1 comes into effect..

my only wish is for the reds and yellows to get their act together and start coming to RW more, as i hate proc sets and would love to come back (to RW). but until then i shall see you in GH. blues seem to be the weakest alliance there, so at least there's good fighting to be done..

Proc sets and hammer would just turn Ravenwatch into baby Greyhost. No thank you. Whats the point of having 3 proc campaigns? Keep the hammer and procs out of Ravenwatch so those that want neither have somewhere to go.

The only improvement they could do is to clarify and refine the no proc set list.

aetherix8 wrote: »

@Bucky_13, @tonyblack

Personally, I don’t think that rolling the no proc ruleset back is the way to go. Some of us prefer no proc gameplay and don’t particularly like the idea of having this choice taken away. Bad implementation does not mean that the whole idea is wrong.

This discussion wouldn’t take place unless Ravenwatch population didn’t have a problem. What Volendrung do is create faction stacked battles at primetime and easy map taking for dominating faction at off hours or dead campaigns like this one. It’s fun to flip maps easier, but in the end hammer wouldn’t change much if anything.

No matter how ferociously some would deny it no proc is the main reason Ravenwatch (at least on pc eu) changed from being equally popular as Gray host to less popular than Blackreach. No proc doesn’t reduce the lag (low population do) nor does it create more “skillful” combat and variety of classes, most who still play there wear same meta sets and choose better classes. It’s just created additional entry barrier where you have to research what even work here and what doesn’t and then dedicate your crafting resources to create build that would only be useful in one single instance of pvp, which, arguably, has far worse customization and less impactful making it less interesting.

And then we will have new pvp mod this year which I’m sure won’t have anything to do with no procs as well. I’ll say kill this abomination before it’s too late.