Thanks for destroying the most valuable item in the game :(

LunaFlora · March 2024

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

GOOD.
everyone should be able to get items like the Sixth House banner.

nothing should be so rare people list it for 50 million gold.

i really liked the concept of very rare items the morrowind banner was probably a bit too rare indeed but its basically a joke rn it wont be worth more than 100k in a few days which is just ridiculous. i wouldve agreed if they increased the drop rate so it would actually became farmable like the alinor mirrors or such but what they did literally is a joke

i really dislike the concept of very rare items that people value at ridiculous prices of 10 or 50 million gold.

100k gold is cool! that's like what popular chest styles tend to cost.

spartaxoxo · March 2024

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

NO!

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

YES!

MAYBE!

spartaxoxo · March 2024

I do think there should be rare items. They shouldn't be so rare as to be practically non-existent like this one was but there's really no reason that some cosmetic items shouldn't be rare. It's nice to collect rare things.

EF321 · March 2024

Whether or not should ultra rare items exist at all is a different question, what happened here was a ninja change by developer, which should not be a thing for sure.

Wise_Will · March 2024

spartaxoxo wrote: »

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

NO!

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

YES!

MAYBE!

PERHAPS!

HSVFAN · March 2024

Well, at least we can farm it all by ourselves now without dying of boredom xD
Found one too using this guide, seems it drops not only from urns, but mobs too

https://youtu.be/8xJYaH6DCpA

ElderOfTamriel · March 2024

Ch3mical_92 wrote: »

This is a devastating patch for every collector out there. One of my last activities I can do in ESO is collecting rare items since I basically completed everything else in this game. I myself own 3 banners in my collection of rare things and I spent a literal fortune to obtain those banners and now they'll be worthless with the blink of an eye. And more important: what's the point of collecting ANY rare item now? Maybe those will get worthless too with the next patch?
Right now I've got a server-wide hunt for the "Mushroom, Polyp Stinkhorn" going on the PS EU-server, where I offer a fortune of gold for the first drop. But now I've gotta tell my peeps that all their effort they put into farming was wasted cause I will cancel my gold-bounty because collecting those items is way too unsafe now.

This feels like a punch in the guts to be honest. This patch takes the last thing I enjoy in ESO

Exactly that

i was currently am going for the polyp too, really need to think if i should continue that. They just stomp with boots on a minority, collectors like us...

Make sure to let me know your Discord ID, i would love to see what youve collected so far

You can PM me on here

ElderOfTamriel · March 2024

EF321 wrote: »

Whether or not should ultra rare items exist at all is a different question, what happened here was a ninja change by developer, which should not be a thing for sure.

definitelly not, like i said i wouldve agreed on the banner having a higher drop rate. but what theyve done is just ridiculous

Jaraal · March 2024

Ch3mical_92 wrote: »

This is a devastating patch for every collector out there. One of my last activities I can do in ESO is collecting rare items since I basically completed everything else in this game. I myself own 3 banners in my collection of rare things and I spent a literal fortune to obtain those banners and now they'll be worthless with the blink of an eye. And more important: what's the point of collecting ANY rare item now? Maybe those will get worthless too with the next patch?
Right now I've got a server-wide hunt for the "Mushroom, Polyp Stinkhorn" going on the PS EU-server, where I offer a fortune of gold for the first drop. But now I've gotta tell my peeps that all their effort they put into farming was wasted cause I will cancel my gold-bounty because collecting those items is way too unsafe now.

This feels like a punch in the guts to be honest. This patch takes the last thing I enjoy in ESO

Yeah you have to wonder what other drop rates of rare items are they nerfing without telling anybody. A lot of people finance their game play by farming the rare items that others don't have time to. Not to mention the pride of displaying rare furnishings in your house that you spent a lot of time (or money) to acquire. It's like a virtual slap in the face to veteran housing enthusiasts. Maybe they'll start passing them out in the daily rewards as well.

Ayalockheart · March 2024

Really, the whole situation with items like the Sixth House Banner getting such crazy prices just boils down to some pretty questionable decisions by players. I mean, why should something that's not even that great looking be as expensive as stuff you buy with real cash? It's all about keeping things reasonable and not letting the market go wild over something that, honestly, doesn't deserve that kind of hype.

Alright, for those who shelled out big bucks for it, let's be real—your 'collections' might not make much sense to others. At the end of the day, the value of something unique is pretty personal, right? What's a treasure to you might just be another item to someone else. So, if you went all-in on something like the Sixth House Banner, just remember, it's all about what it means to you, not everyone else.

Jaraal · March 2024

Ayalockheart wrote: »

I mean, why should something that's not even that great looking be as expensive as stuff you buy with real cash? It's all about keeping things reasonable and not letting the market go wild over something that, honestly, doesn't deserve that kind of hype.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good

Ayalockheart · March 2024

Jaraal wrote: »

Ayalockheart wrote: »

I mean, why should something that's not even that great looking be as expensive as stuff you buy with real cash? It's all about keeping things reasonable and not letting the market go wild over something that, honestly, doesn't deserve that kind of hype.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good

Except this doesn’t apply to where things are created via instantiation of a class.

Hapexamendios · March 2024

You know you've got a bad reputation when you fix something correctly and people still complain about it.

loosej · March 2024

I agree that drop rates on any item in game shouldn't be as rare as they originally were.

But I also believe that if a purely cosmetic item (mythic item leads are different for example) has been this rare for such a long time, the drop chances should remain untouched. Increasing them completely invalidates the time and effort people have put into acquiring them before, and doesn't add any gameplay benefit for the rest of the players.

Drop rates on cosmetic items should either be fixed immediately after release, or not at all.

Jaraal · March 2024

Ayalockheart wrote: »

Alright, for those who shelled out big bucks for it, let's be real—your 'collections' might not make much sense to others. At the end of the day, the value of something unique is pretty personal, right? What's a treasure to you might just be another item to someone else. So, if you went all-in on something like the Sixth House Banner, just remember, it's all about what it means to you, not everyone else.

With this line of thinking, they should probably just make 100,000 copies of the Mona Lisa, destroy the original, and sell them for 100 bucks each. That way everybody can have some cool art, and nobody needs to waste any money traveling to the Louve or anything.

Ayalockheart · March 2024

Jaraal wrote: »

Ayalockheart wrote: »

Alright, for those who shelled out big bucks for it, let's be real—your 'collections' might not make much sense to others. At the end of the day, the value of something unique is pretty personal, right? What's a treasure to you might just be another item to someone else. So, if you went all-in on something like the Sixth House Banner, just remember, it's all about what it means to you, not everyone else.

With this line of thinking, they should probably just make 100,000 copies of the Mona Lisa, destroy the original, and sell them for 100 bucks each. That way everybody can have some cool art, and nobody needs to waste any money traveling to the Louve or anything.

Comparing the mass production of the Mona Lisa to in-game items misses the mark for a few reasons. First, the Mona Lisa's value comes from its historical and artistic significance, which can't be replicated by making copies. In-game items, however, are digital and can be duplicated without losing their 'original' essence. Plus, visiting the Louvre isn't just about seeing the Mona Lisa; it's about experiencing a wealth of art and culture. The uniqueness and context of real-world art simply don't translate directly to digital items in a game.

Jaraal · March 2024

loosej wrote: »

I agree that drop rates on any item in game shouldn't be as rare as they originally were.

But I also believe that if a purely cosmetic item (mythic item leads are different for example) has been this rare for such a long time, the drop chances should remain untouched. Increasing them completely invalidates the time and effort people have put into acquiring them before, and doesn't add any gameplay benefit for the rest of the players.

Drop rates on cosmetic items should either be fixed immediately after release, or not at all.

It was intended to be a rare item from the start:

But apparently somebody decided the original concept is no longer valid. There's a lot of that going on in ESO recently.

Ayalockheart · March 2024

There a Fine line between “rare” and “nearly impossible to drop”….

SpacemanSpiff1 · March 2024

the devs fix a problem and people are upset.

plus, the banner doesnt even look good.

this is hilarious.

Ayalockheart · March 2024

Exclusivity and rarity are all about showcasing wealth, suggesting that those who truly have riches wouldn't be the ones complaining. If you're upset about it, it might just reveal that you weren't as wealthy as you thought. The whole essence of rarity is to distinguish those who can afford such luxuries from those who can't, and being able to do so is a hallmark of affluence. Essentially, if you're here lamenting over it, it's a clear sign that you were never truly wealthy to begin with.

Jaraal · March 2024

Ayalockheart wrote: »

There a Fine line between “rare” and “nearly impossible to drop”….

Yes, about as fine a line as from rare to

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

3 PIECES in about 30min...

wazzz56 · March 2024

RetPing wrote: »

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I have 8 nbs and do not feel as though any of them are ruined or wasted......

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Kite42 · March 2024

If you're a collector, then isn't it better when the drop rate increases. That way you can collect even more of them?!

Unless you were selling them, in which case the sympathy oasis has succumbed to global warming

Tra_Lalan · March 2024

Well everything changes and nothing should be taken full granted. I remember times when this banner wouldn't even appear on sales for many months. Some time ago couple of them poped up which got me thinking: "wait, what if some day they will fix it and it will drop regulary?" This question made me decide not to buy it. Too much to loose, not much to gain.

For those who had it in their collection, I guess all you are left with is the fact you owned it back then when it was a "thing". Thats how I like to thing about my pre nerfed murkmire prepper title or my dlc dugnens masks collection, which I finished not long before IA happened. Thats just how life works, relax and focus on some other goal

Braffin · March 2024

Kite42 wrote: »

If you're a collector, then isn't it better when the drop rate increases. That way you can collect even more of them?!

Unless you were selling them, in which case the sympathy oasis has succumbed to global warming

It seems they weren't interested in the item itself but only it's rarity.

I don't get it either, but some people want to have items others can't afford simply because those others can't afford.

Doesn't matter if the item itself is a banner or an apple. As long as it's expensive, it's interesting.

ElderSmitter · March 2024

i also have 30M to give back to my friend who helped me to afford it ((((((

Sorry for your loss but the 30 million you borrowed has nothing to do with anything. That would have been owed to your friend regardless.

ElderSmitter · March 2024

Everyone is assuming the Drop Rate was Increased intentionally. It could have been a defective Code causing the RNG to increase.

There has been no official statement from ZOS about this other than it was intended to be rare. When Maelstrom Arena started giving out Perfected weapons on Normal people were thanking ZOS like it was intended and they quickly fixed that.

So 50/50 it was intended imo.

ApoAlaia · March 2024

I see Dagoth Ur's fingerprints all over this.

He stirs in the bowels of Red Mountain, plotting to get more and more people honour The Sixth House and The Tribe Unmourned.

Jaraal · March 2024

ElderSmitter wrote: »

Everyone is assuming the Drop Rate was Increased intentionally. It could have been a defective Code causing the RNG to increase.

There has been no official statement from ZOS about this other than it was intended to be rare. When Maelstrom Arena started giving out Perfected weapons on Normal people were thanking ZOS like it was intended and they quickly fixed that.

So 50/50 it was intended imo.

I was wondering if it was a situation where a zero or two were dropped or something. I could imagine a theoretical drop rate of 1 in 100,000 from the beginning. Let's say somebody decides to drop it to a more reasonable 1 in 10,000, but instead accidentally makes it one in 1,000 or 1 in 100. It would have to be that specific code that was worked on, wouldn't it? I couldn't imagine them altering unrelated code that would somehow change an unrelated item drop rate. But who knows? Maybe they will speak up.... but I'm not counting on it.

Pepegrillos · March 2024

Isn't the Zaudrus Mask still around 100m?