autocookies wrote: »

Galeriano wrote: »

When it comes to strenght and simplicity arcanist takes the lead.

Only if you know what your doing. On a pale order arcanist your practically unable to die yes, but one interrupt and your beamless/shieldless for 5 seconds... I would say hands down the HA sorcerer is the best for its ease of use / forgivability of mistakes. I fake tanked a vet no death + speedrun with this heavy attack build and a taunt and even had room to slot major breach. Was an easier dlc but still - hardened ward + Bound Aegis is very strong. (My bad for forgetting to change my role back to dps also didn't know leader queued vet random but still was fun and unexpected)

Interrupting applies 3 seconds of inability to use interrupted ability not 5. Pragmatic fatecarver shield gives You imminity to interrupts so You need to be stunned not just interrupted. You have two other shield abilities in arcanist kit. After beam was interrupted You will have to stack crux anyway so You will use flail that heals You and after 2x flail You can already use beam since debuff wears off. You have emergency heal that pops when Your health drops below 50%. You have plenty of defense in arcanist kit. Arcanist is extremly forgivable when it comes to making mistakes on it. YOu can fake tank vet dungeons on every class with today's survivability and DPS levels. I fake tanked few trifecta DLC dungeons (HM, no death, speed run) on arcanist DD and I had place for major+minor breach and my class taunt was applying unique 2,2k penetration and those were 4 DD runs without a healer. You have plenty of bar space on arcanist since Your must have abilities are just flail and beam. Arcanist is leages above other classes, it's no coincidence first class to break 625k score in vMA also setting new world record was arcanist.

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Nope. Wrong answers.

The easiest by far is the Magicka Templar. Especially the ShieldPlar, as I call it.
Iceheart, Hexos' Ward and Prayer Shawl. That is three automatic shields! With a peak of over 25k in strength. All passive, no casting. It'll get you through anything the game can throw at you.

If you take the glyph of warding, Azandar with his shield ability, the light armour shield (5 pieces of light armor) and the Templar's class shield, you can have up to seven shields active simultaneously, of which you have to cast two. 🤯 Seven ... That is over 50k in shield strength.

You'll never loose health again and all you have to do is cast sweeps.

And arcanist have that 25k shield passively while using beam. He also have 2 more class shields. All mentioned sets will give You stronger shields on arcanist than on templar since arcanist have a passive that makes all shields 10% stronger. He have ultimate that gives him like 80k+ shield and returns absorbed dmg to enemies. So just by beaming while wearing sets that You mentioned arcanist can have 60k shields, more than templar when he is wasting time to cast other shield abilities.

Sorc is also better at using shields than templar since he have strong class shield and he don't need any specific ability like sweeps to heal underneath shields because with critical surge active every dmg can heal him.

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Arcanists can neither overheal enough to keep uptime on Shawl, nor has Arcanist enough direct damage to proc Hexos' Ward reliably. Fatecarver is a channel, not direct damage.
Plus, you have the same disadvantages as any other Arcanist, being deadlocked into beaming. Which is sometimes bad for survival without a support player.
And Pragmatic Fatecarver doesn't get to 25k shield strength, when you are alone. That number is made up.
Its formula is: 0.16560 MaxStat + 1.7388 MaxDamage. Assuming you have (for SOLO ESO quite reasonable) 30k max stats, that would make a 11.522 Weapon or Spell damage neccessary. Conversely at a reasonable 6500 wd/sd, you'd need 82.616 MaxStats. Even if you'd account for shield strength modifiers, 25k shield size is far off. I get to 19k when everything aligns and I squeeze out every bit of weapon damage, that I can. And that means seriously debilitating other aspects of the build.

The same goes for Sorcerer. Sorc doesn't have enough overhealing. A dual wielding Stamina Sorcerer maybe, if you use Bloodthirst as spammable. But that is not a heavy attack Sorcerer. And it's not simple. Not by a long shot.

And the Sorcerer's Wards are scaling of Max Health or Max Magicka/Spell Damage with .34089 coefficient for Regenerative Ward and a .44316 coefficient for Hardened Ward respectively. That means you'd have to deliberatly build into either of these stats to get a strong shield and youd have to cast it.

@Galeriano My whole point is not that other classes are weaker. The point is Templar is the most simple class to play. You can achieve anything in ESO with a one button build. Anything you need to survive is happening automatically.

He can easily overheal. He have plenty of sources of healiong. One is just healing from flail, other is reconstructive domain which is 20 sec HoT, his class shield is actually also healing, he have class source of minor lifesteal, and he can just wear pale order if needed. Flail is a direct damage and so are light attacks that You can still use inbetween beams and flails. Damage enchantments are also considered ass direct dmg and since You have 2 of them on front bar You can proc them once every 2 seconds with Your light attacks and quick cloak.

You really are not deadlocked into beam but since beam is as strong as it is You just want to use it. It's like saying that templar is deadlocked into jabs. If You can't beam in specific scenario arcanist have plenty of viable replacements for that.

Made up number You say? You can even get 28k+ shields on fatecarver although when solo 22k is more realistic and You can easily reach it although not in the meme shield sets. In my vet maelstrom I was getting that 22k. I was never claiming that 25k+ is a number that arcanist is reaching alone although with some sets it still could be possible.

Sorc have more than enough overhealing from surge alone but if he needs forced overheal one click of matriarch will do the trick.

No You wouldn't have to build for max mag or HP specifically, base values are enough for decently sized shield.

With current gear options and simplification of the game You can achieve almost anything on every class. Saying about achieving anything is kinda misleading since setups discussed don't pull numbers high enough for every content and overrealinace on shields make them pretty meh against mechanics with oblivion dmg or dmg that is specifically designed to ignores shields. Arcanist is still more beneficial than templar when we compare strenght and simplicity of both.