You said Nightblades needed a buff ?

trimsic_ESO · May 2014

May be you should have a look to this video:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=euqUpGz8fww&feature=youtu.be

This is just out of control.

I agree that nightblades need some love in their class trees so they can bring some utility to their group. But at the same time, some combination of spells, especially magicka based spells are so powerful that they cross the red line and are a game breaking issue.

ZiRM · May 2014

The way it's going the whiners will cry for a Nerf.

Armitas · May 2014

And with night blades the circle is now complete.. everyone is overpowered. Nerf everyone!

trimsic_ESO · May 2014

This is very situational, though. But well, it needs to be addressed

Reavan · May 2014

Cant watch vid what is it

Vuron · May 2014

Single target damage was never an issue for a NB. The issues are the lack of true AoE and many of the skills/passives either not matching the tooltip or not working, at all.

Fighting single mobs has always been the strength of the class. What he doesn't show you is a boss fight. You can frontload a ton of damage using his build, but it isn't optimal for a sustained fight. He also doesn't show you how he fights groups of 3+ mobs or even fighting mobs of his level.

I don't think it's really "gamebreaking" that you can 1-shot single trash mobs below your level.

Thevenin · May 2014

It's a guy who exploits the stacking buff of an otherwise very weak nightblade spell, Reaper's Mark. When you kill something you get a +15 flat value to spell/wp dmg, and it stacks. So he farms some low mobs with that skill until he can get some huge crits.
How the hell is this supposed to be overpowered ? That spell is crap, it gives about a 5% increased damage for 426 magicka. It's not like you can get an execute move on 5 monsters / players in a row in relevant content.
It's a design flaw, it shouldn't stack, but the spell is so underpowered that I can't really see how this could be an issue.

I think the OP is just an idiot trying to downplay balance issues by throwing garbage around.

Honfold · May 2014

This is as Situational as it gets. Yes this is doable as long as you have 10-15 mobs around a boss, and you are able to kill all of the mobs in time without catching the attention of the boss and you are able to sneak and attack in time. In pvp this is pretty much impossible unless there is a player who is afk near a group of mobs.

I don't think people who are calling for some Night Blade fixes have trash mobs in mind.

NordJitsu · May 2014

Armitas wrote: »

And with night blades the circle is now complete.. everyone is overpowered. Nerf everyone!

Nerf forum warriors plz. Forum warriors OP.

Beldorr · May 2014

While this high damage is extreme anyone can get the inital sneak/attack bonus doing a high damage opener. That isn't specific to nightblade. You just need a single target ability that does a lot of damage. Once in combat you won't see anywhere near this kind of damage.

In this case the ultimate stacks up to 275% more damage (per tool tip), then staking all the bonuses to kill on mob with very low armor to start with. The multiple reapers stack requires the fast out of combat regen and the heavy attack from restoration staff while in combat.

trimsic_ESO · May 2014

@Beldorrub17_ESO‌
To be more precise, the opener must be a skill that is not an instant spell. For instance a heavy attack or uppercut (2H), or....

Armitas · May 2014

NordJitsu wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

And with night blades the circle is now complete.. everyone is overpowered. Nerf everyone!

Nerf forum warriors plz. Forum warriors OP.

Yeah I have seen that become a problem before in other games. Sometimes the voices get so loud they have to capitulate even if it's not a prudent decision.

(speaking in general not referencing anything in particular under current debate)

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2014

Trolololo.

Beldorr · May 2014

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

@Beldorrub17_ESO‌
To be more precise, the opener must be a skill that is not an instant spell. For instance a heavy attack or uppercut (2H), or....

Concealed strike is instant and a spell and this works. Its base damage is based off magicka pool and costs magicka to use. So this precision isn't exactly a rule here. I'd have to test each ability to verify, but everything i've tried has worked for getting a crit with bonus. You have to be in sneak behind the target. The Ultimate in the video is instant and its damage is based off magicka pool.

Casting and then being detected wont get the bonus. Nor will attacking them from the front. I've used cast abilities like Ambush and that works. Snipe works as well.

The_Emproer · May 2014

Vuron wrote: »

Single target damage was never an issue for a NB. The issues are the lack of true AoE and many of the skills/passives either not matching the tooltip or not working, at all.

Fighting single mobs has always been the strength of the class. What he doesn't show you is a boss fight. You can frontload a ton of damage using his build, but it isn't optimal for a sustained fight. He also doesn't show you how he fights groups of 3+ mobs or even fighting mobs of his level.

I don't think it's really "gamebreaking" that you can 1-shot single trash mobs below your level.

why does NB need class AoE? we have power extraction which jacks up our weapon damage and lets us spam any weapon related AoE for huge damage. Cleave, Whirlwind, Shrouded Daggers, Impulse... those are NB's AoE.

Deviante · May 2014

For me the only issue has ever been sustained single target dps and crowd class based effective crowd control in pve. That is where we lack anything else I have no complaints.

Honfold · May 2014

What Nightblades need right now is a fix on most of their abilities that seem to be unresponsive most of the time. This is getting incredibly frustrating in pvp. I use surprise attack....oh wait....no... I didn't...and now I'm detected and talon spammed gg.

Drekor · May 2014

Reavan wrote: »

Cant watch vid what is it

Guy stacks death mark many times then uses a 1000 ult death stroke for 6k+ damage

neocomab16_ESO · May 2014

Honfold wrote: »

What Nightblades need right now is a fix on most of their abilities that seem to be unresponsive most of the time. This is getting incredibly frustrating in pvp. I use surprise attack....oh wait....no... I didn't...and now I'm detected and talon spammed gg.

lol you still pvp? lol

Kililin · May 2014

Yeah obviously needs nerfing, like all of the classes and skill lines.
After all they are still fun to play at the moment.

Honfold · May 2014

Has ZOS said anything in regards to the unresponsive combat problems? Both in PvE and PvP this issue causes me to nerd rage.

Kypho · May 2014

kk awesome NB. now go in cyro and do this. make SS lolz

Arsenic_Touch · May 2014

Thevenin wrote: »

It's a guy who exploits the stacking buff of an otherwise very weak nightblade spell, Reaper's Mark. When you kill something you get a +15 flat value to spell/wp dmg, and it stacks. So he farms some low mobs with that skill until he can get some huge crits.
How the hell is this supposed to be overpowered ? That spell is crap, it gives about a 5% increased damage for 426 magicka. It's not like you can get an execute move on 5 monsters / players in a row in relevant content.
It's a design flaw, it shouldn't stack, but the spell is so underpowered that I can't really see how this could be an issue.

I think the OP is just an idiot trying to downplay balance issues by throwing garbage around.

Pretty much covered everything that came to mind.

The OP uses phrases such as "game breaking" and "out of control" those words don't mean what he thinks they means. Knowing ZoS, they'll make it so it only stacks like to 5 or something or reduce the duration to like 5 seconds and it's not really a design flaw, it should stack because the base boost is so negligible it's not even worth noting.