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To clear up some confusion about Witches Festival bonus XP:
Deserrick
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1: The bonus is passive and does not show in the character sheet.
2: The bonus is +100%, not double. I confirmed this by doing a crafting writ with two level 10 characters, one without any other XP bonus, and one using a +50% XP scroll. 202XP without the scroll, 253XP with the scroll.
Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on October 27, 2023 3:27AM 2: The bonus is +100%, not double. I confirmed this by doing a crafting writ with two level 10 characters, one without any other XP bonus, and one using a +50% XP scroll. 202XP without the scroll, 253XP with the scroll.
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Deserrick✭✭✭katanagirl1 wrote: »+100% is double XP
Double XP would be multiplying XP by 2, like how Enlightenment multiplies XP by 4.
If you have XP bonuses and have enlightenment, you will gain ( [100%+TotalOfXPBonuses] x4) XP
If Witchmothers Festival was double, it would similarly be ( [100%+TotalOfXPBonuses] x2) XP
but it is instead ( [100%+TotalOfXPBonuses] +100%) XP2 -
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✭✭So if I’m understanding correctly you are saying that the bonus doubles base exp but not any scrolls and such?0 -
Deserrick✭✭✭Elvenheart wrote: »So if I’m understanding correctly you are saying that the bonus doubles base exp but not any scrolls and such?
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✭✭✭✭✭Elvenheart wrote: »So if I’m understanding correctly you are saying that the bonus doubles base exp but not any scrolls and such?
and the added XP from other sources are not intended to be doubled.
The double XP from the event doubles the base XP. XP from a 50% scroll adds 50% of the base XP. When using both we get 150% of the base XP.
So what is the confusion?
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Deserrick✭✭✭Elvenheart wrote: »So if I’m understanding correctly you are saying that the bonus doubles base exp but not any scrolls and such?
and the added XP from other sources are not intended to be doubled.
The double XP from the event doubles the base XP. XP from a 50% scroll adds 50% of the base XP. When using both we get 150% of the base XP.
So what is the confusion?
The confusion is whether it is additive (like other bonus XP sources), or multiplicative (like Enlightenment). My testing clears up the confusion by showing it is additive.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Elvenheart wrote: »So if I’m understanding correctly you are saying that the bonus doubles base exp but not any scrolls and such?
and the added XP from other sources are not intended to be doubled.
The double XP from the event doubles the base XP. XP from a 50% scroll adds 50% of the base XP. When using both we get 150% of the base XP.
So what is the confusion?
The confusion is whether it is additive (like other bonus XP sources), or multiplicative (like Enlightenment). My testing clears up the confusion by showing it is additive.
Glad you figured it out and confirmed it for yourself.
I think our confusion with this thread is this has been well-known for years. A Google search would have returned such threads as the one linked below.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/567286/does-xp-stack-or-is-there-a-max-increase-allowed/p1
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Deserrick✭✭✭Elvenheart wrote: »So if I’m understanding correctly you are saying that the bonus doubles base exp but not any scrolls and such?
and the added XP from other sources are not intended to be doubled.
The double XP from the event doubles the base XP. XP from a 50% scroll adds 50% of the base XP. When using both we get 150% of the base XP.
So what is the confusion?
The confusion is whether it is additive (like other bonus XP sources), or multiplicative (like Enlightenment). My testing clears up the confusion by showing it is additive.
Glad you figured it out and confirmed it for yourself.
I think our confusion with this thread is this has been well-known for years. A Google search would have returned such threads as the one linked below.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/567286/does-xp-stack-or-is-there-a-max-increase-allowed/p1
I don't see how that thread clears it up. The pie added a +100% XP boost that showed in the character screen. The recent changes to the event XP made the bonus passive (and unable to be checked), and there was conflicting information of whether it was a +100% bonus or a doubling.0 -
ZOS_HadeostrymodGreetings,
After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic, as it's related to an event.
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✭✭✭✭✭Elvenheart wrote: »So if I’m understanding correctly you are saying that the bonus doubles base exp but not any scrolls and such?
and the added XP from other sources are not intended to be doubled.
The double XP from the event doubles the base XP. XP from a 50% scroll adds 50% of the base XP. When using both we get 150% of the base XP.
So what is the confusion?
The confusion is whether it is additive (like other bonus XP sources), or multiplicative (like Enlightenment). My testing clears up the confusion by showing it is additive.
Glad you figured it out and confirmed it for yourself.
I think our confusion with this thread is this has been well-known for years. A Google search would have returned such threads as the one linked below.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/567286/does-xp-stack-or-is-there-a-max-increase-allowed/p1
I don't see how that thread clears it up. The pie added a +100% XP boost that showed in the character screen. The recent changes to the event XP made the bonus passive (and unable to be checked), and there was conflicting information of whether it was a +100% bonus or a doubling.
It is both a +100% bonus to the base XP and a doubling of the base XP. It is saying the same thing a different way. It has never affected the bonus XP from scrolls as they are additive and always have been.
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It is both a +100% bonus to the base XP and a doubling of the base XP. It is saying the same thing a different way.
+100% bonus XP and double base XP do say the same thing in different ways, but the screens causing the confusion were ones that said double XP or XP would be doubled, not double base XP or base XP would be doubled.
It has never affected the bonus XP from scrolls as they are additive and always have been.
True, but the recent changes and the way they are communicated made it unclear whether that would still be the case.
In any case, another recent thread suggests that they may be adding a buff icon during these events, which should help stop the chat windows being filled with questions about why the bonuses aren't working correctly. (I created this thread in an attempt to dam that tide, but the effect has been minimal if that.)Edited by Deserrick on October 28, 2023 10:09AM0 -
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Mathematically they are exactly the same. X+X=2*X. Fact. One can look at it differently but they are not.
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GooGa592✭✭✭✭✭
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Mathematically they are exactly the same. X+X=2*X. Fact. One can look at it differently but they are not.
No, they're not the same thing mathematically, not if you're running an XP scroll or potion at the same time as using the event bonus.
This is yet another reason the event bones should appear on the character screen and state exactly what it's doing. Is it increasing the XP bonus by a 100%, or is it doubling XP bonus of base+scroll/potion. They ARE NOT the same thing. To me it appears it's a flat 100% XP bonus, not a doubling.
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Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
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Mathematically they are exactly the same. X+X=2*X. Fact. One can look at it differently but they are not.
No, they're not the same thing mathematically, not if you're running an XP scroll or potion at the same time as using the event bonus.
And I noted that each only affects base XP. Both the event bonus and the scroll only affect base XP. Not sure where the confusion in what I have said comes from as I have been very clear and very factually accurate.
In the end. I am glad you figured it out for yourself.
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Yes. As I said, +100% XP and double base XP are mathematically the same. (X+X) = 2X.
However, the messages causing the confusion did not say double *base* XP, but instead said double XP, which is not mathematically the same. [(2X)+Y] =\= [2(X+Y)].
Edited by Deserrick on October 29, 2023 1:52PM1 -
GooGa592✭✭✭✭✭
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Mathematically they are exactly the same. X+X=2*X. Fact. One can look at it differently but they are not.
No, they're not the same thing mathematically, not if you're running an XP scroll or potion at the same time as using the event bonus.
And I noted that each only affects base XP. Both the event bonus and the scroll only affect base XP. Not sure where the confusion in what I have said comes from as I have been very clear and very factually accurate.
In the end. I am glad you figured it out for yourself.
Your math was incomplete. That's what was causing the confusion. See Deserrick's and my post for the correct math. Deserrick posted the actual equations to show the differences.
Edited by GooGa592 on October 29, 2023 5:43PM0 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
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Mathematically they are exactly the same. X+X=2*X. Fact. One can look at it differently but they are not.
No, they're not the same thing mathematically, not if you're running an XP scroll or potion at the same time as using the event bonus.
And I noted that each only affects base XP. Both the event bonus and the scroll only affect base XP. Not sure where the confusion in what I have said comes from as I have been very clear and very factually accurate.
In the end. I am glad you figured it out for yourself.
Your math was incomplete. That's what was causing the confusion. See Deserrick's and my post for the correct math. Deserrick posted the actual equations to show the differences.
My math was spot on. I noted that the XP bonus from the event is double the base XP and that the scroll is 50% of base XP. That does not suggest either affects anything else.
It is a mathematical fact that 2X = X+X.
2 x 100 = 200.
100+100=200
That is a mathematical certainty.
The scroll works similarly except it is similar but only adds 50% more XP bonus. The two bonuses are additive. So the formula with having both would be 2.5X or 100+100+50. Very simple
Edited by Amottica on October 30, 2023 2:39AM0 -
GooGa592✭✭✭✭✭
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Mathematically they are exactly the same. X+X=2*X. Fact. One can look at it differently but they are not.
No, they're not the same thing mathematically, not if you're running an XP scroll or potion at the same time as using the event bonus.
And I noted that each only affects base XP. Both the event bonus and the scroll only affect base XP. Not sure where the confusion in what I have said comes from as I have been very clear and very factually accurate.
In the end. I am glad you figured it out for yourself.
Your math was incomplete. That's what was causing the confusion. See Deserrick's and my post for the correct math. Deserrick posted the actual equations to show the differences.
My math was spot on. I noted that the XP bonus from the event is double the base XP and that the scroll is 50% of base XP. That does not suggest either affects anything else.
It is a mathematical fact that 2X = X+X.
2 x 100 = 200.
100+100=200
That is a mathematical certainty.
The scroll works similarly except it is similar but only adds 50% more XP bonus. The two bonuses are additive. So the formula with having both would be 2.5X or 100+100+50. Very simple
[(2X)+Y] =\= [2(X+Y)]0 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
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Mathematically they are exactly the same. X+X=2*X. Fact. One can look at it differently but they are not.
No, they're not the same thing mathematically, not if you're running an XP scroll or potion at the same time as using the event bonus.
And I noted that each only affects base XP. Both the event bonus and the scroll only affect base XP. Not sure where the confusion in what I have said comes from as I have been very clear and very factually accurate.
In the end. I am glad you figured it out for yourself.
Your math was incomplete. That's what was causing the confusion. See Deserrick's and my post for the correct math. Deserrick posted the actual equations to show the differences.
My math was spot on. I noted that the XP bonus from the event is double the base XP and that the scroll is 50% of base XP. That does not suggest either affects anything else.
It is a mathematical fact that 2X = X+X.
2 x 100 = 200.
100+100=200
That is a mathematical certainty.
The scroll works similarly except it is similar but only adds 50% more XP bonus. The two bonuses are additive. So the formula with having both would be 2.5X or 100+100+50. Very simple
[(2X)+Y] =\= [2(X+Y)]
Y is not defined so the formula would not be correct.
[(2X)+(1/2X)] would be more appropriate.
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GooGa592✭✭✭✭✭
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Mathematically they are exactly the same. X+X=2*X. Fact. One can look at it differently but they are not.
No, they're not the same thing mathematically, not if you're running an XP scroll or potion at the same time as using the event bonus.
And I noted that each only affects base XP. Both the event bonus and the scroll only affect base XP. Not sure where the confusion in what I have said comes from as I have been very clear and very factually accurate.
In the end. I am glad you figured it out for yourself.
Your math was incomplete. That's what was causing the confusion. See Deserrick's and my post for the correct math. Deserrick posted the actual equations to show the differences.
My math was spot on. I noted that the XP bonus from the event is double the base XP and that the scroll is 50% of base XP. That does not suggest either affects anything else.
It is a mathematical fact that 2X = X+X.
2 x 100 = 200.
100+100=200
That is a mathematical certainty.
The scroll works similarly except it is similar but only adds 50% more XP bonus. The two bonuses are additive. So the formula with having both would be 2.5X or 100+100+50. Very simple
[(2X)+Y] =\= [2(X+Y)]
Y is not defined so the formula would not be correct.
[(2X)+(1/2X)] would be more appropriate.
In algebra, calculus and finite mathematics the variables do not have to be defined to work the proof. (in this case we're talking about proof in the mathematical sense) But, in this case, the Y variable IS defined. In this case we know Y equals the value of the potion or scroll used, so Y is either .5, 1 or 1.5. If there is a high level potion or scroll that I'm not aware of that gives 200% bonus, then the value of Y could also be 2.
Math isn't everyone's strong point. [(2X)+(1/2X)] is not an applicable mathematical statement in this instance.
[(2X)+Y] =\= [2(X+Y)]
In ESO we know that all XP bonuses are additive. This is why the description of the event bonus as "doubling" the XP earned is possibly deceptive and not grammatically accurate if the player is also using a potion or a scroll to further increase their XP earned. In ESO we know the calculation to be (2X)+Y is the value of the XP bonus. But if the event XP bonus was an actual doubling of XP earned, then 2(X+Y) would be the equation used to determine the value of the XP bonus.
Edited by GooGa592 on November 2, 2023 2:32PM1 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
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Mathematically they are exactly the same. X+X=2*X. Fact. One can look at it differently but they are not.
No, they're not the same thing mathematically, not if you're running an XP scroll or potion at the same time as using the event bonus.
And I noted that each only affects base XP. Both the event bonus and the scroll only affect base XP. Not sure where the confusion in what I have said comes from as I have been very clear and very factually accurate.
In the end. I am glad you figured it out for yourself.
Your math was incomplete. That's what was causing the confusion. See Deserrick's and my post for the correct math. Deserrick posted the actual equations to show the differences.
My math was spot on. I noted that the XP bonus from the event is double the base XP and that the scroll is 50% of base XP. That does not suggest either affects anything else.
It is a mathematical fact that 2X = X+X.
2 x 100 = 200.
100+100=200
That is a mathematical certainty.
The scroll works similarly except it is similar but only adds 50% more XP bonus. The two bonuses are additive. So the formula with having both would be 2.5X or 100+100+50. Very simple
[(2X)+Y] =\= [2(X+Y)]
Y is not defined so the formula would not be correct.
[(2X)+(1/2X)] would be more appropriate.
In algebra, calculus and finite mathematics the variables do not have to be defined to work the proof. (in this case we're talking about proof in the mathematical sense) But, in this case, the Y variable IS defined. In this case we know Y equals the value of the potion or scroll used, so Y is either .5, 1 or 1.5. If there is a high level potion or scroll that I'm not aware of that gives 200% bonus, then the value of Y could also be 2.
Math isn't everyone's strong point. [(2X)+(1/2X)] is not an applicable mathematical statement in this instance.
[(2X)+Y] =\= [2(X+Y)]
In ESO we know that all XP bonuses are additive. This is why the description of the event bonus as "doubling" the XP earned is possibly deceptive and not grammatically accurate if the player is also using a potion or a scroll to further increase their XP earned. In ESO we know the calculation to be (2X)+Y is the value of the XP bonus. But if the event XP bonus was an actual doubling of XP earned, then 2(X+Y) would be the equation used to determine the value of the XP bonus.
I was speaking to accuracy since this thread is about someone clearing up some confusion.
X is already defined as the base XP and we are talking bout 100% or double XP and 50% XP so X and 1/2X make sense.
As you noted, we all know that XP bonuses are additive which is why a couple of us were not sure why there was any confusion.
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Mathematically they are exactly the same. X+X=2*X. Fact. One can look at it differently but they are not.
No, they're not the same thing mathematically, not if you're running an XP scroll or potion at the same time as using the event bonus.
And I noted that each only affects base XP. Both the event bonus and the scroll only affect base XP. Not sure where the confusion in what I have said comes from as I have been very clear and very factually accurate.
In the end. I am glad you figured it out for yourself.
Your math was incomplete. That's what was causing the confusion. See Deserrick's and my post for the correct math. Deserrick posted the actual equations to show the differences.
My math was spot on. I noted that the XP bonus from the event is double the base XP and that the scroll is 50% of base XP. That does not suggest either affects anything else.
It is a mathematical fact that 2X = X+X.
2 x 100 = 200.
100+100=200
That is a mathematical certainty.
The scroll works similarly except it is similar but only adds 50% more XP bonus. The two bonuses are additive. So the formula with having both would be 2.5X or 100+100+50. Very simple
[(2X)+Y] =\= [2(X+Y)]
Y is not defined so the formula would not be correct.
[(2X)+(1/2X)] would be more appropriate.
In algebra, calculus and finite mathematics the variables do not have to be defined to work the proof. (in this case we're talking about proof in the mathematical sense) But, in this case, the Y variable IS defined. In this case we know Y equals the value of the potion or scroll used, so Y is either .5, 1 or 1.5. If there is a high level potion or scroll that I'm not aware of that gives 200% bonus, then the value of Y could also be 2.
Math isn't everyone's strong point. [(2X)+(1/2X)] is not an applicable mathematical statement in this instance.
[(2X)+Y] =\= [2(X+Y)]
In ESO we know that all XP bonuses are additive. This is why the description of the event bonus as "doubling" the XP earned is possibly deceptive and not grammatically accurate if the player is also using a potion or a scroll to further increase their XP earned. In ESO we know the calculation to be (2X)+Y is the value of the XP bonus. But if the event XP bonus was an actual doubling of XP earned, then 2(X+Y) would be the equation used to determine the value of the XP bonus.
I was speaking to accuracy since this thread is about someone clearing up some confusion.
X is already defined as the base XP and we are talking bout 100% or double XP and 50% XP so X and 1/2X make sense.
As you noted, we all know that XP bonuses are additive which is why a couple of us were not sure why there was any confusion.
We don't "all know" that all XP bonuses are additive when ZOS confuses the issue by stating that the bonus, that we can't track on our character sheets, is stated as "doubling" XP earned. It also doesn't help when someone keeps posting erroneous mathematical equations in an effort to help clarify the issue because that just further confuses the issue.
This is why ZOS should ALWAYS post any buffs and debuffs on the character sheet along with the timer for that buff or debuff with an accurate description of what the buff or debuff is doing exactly.
Edited by GooGa592 on November 3, 2023 2:45PM0