What is the [fake healer] definition?

AvalonRanger · September 2023

What is the [fake healer] definition?

I feel most of PUG healer of random team is not so helpful.

They mostly don't have emergency healing skill for the team member.
Just cast "orb" or something but that's all, and let DD die so many times during combat.

Just why? Are they fake?

(When I'm in healer character, I keep scattering several type of healing skill continuously during
the combat. Am I doing too much?)

WhiteCoatSyndrome · September 2023

I would say if you don’t have at least one skill slotted that can heal another party member, you’re a fake healer.

That might not be enough depending on the difficulty of the content and the competence of the rest of the party, but in that case you’re a bad healer not a fake one.

I avoid the issue by running the heals myself.

AvalonRanger · September 2023

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I would say if you don’t have at least one skill slotted that can heal another party member, you’re a fake healer.

That might not be enough depending on the difficulty of the content and the competence of the rest of the party, but in that case you’re a bad healer not a fake one.

I avoid the issue by running the heals myself.

I see.

But if healer can't do effective healing work, then it's ALMOST fake, right?

LunaFlora · September 2023

they're a damage dealer that isn't healing people.
if they heal it's a selfheal. they're not focused on supporting the team and only focused on damage dealing.

they queued as the wrong role to get a faster queue time.

LunaFlora · September 2023

AvalonRanger wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I would say if you don’t have at least one skill slotted that can heal another party member, you’re a fake healer.

That might not be enough depending on the difficulty of the content and the competence of the rest of the party, but in that case you’re a bad healer not a fake one.

I avoid the issue by running the heals myself.

I see.

But if healer can't do effective healing work, then it's ALMOST fake, right?

if an inexperienced healer can't do as effective healing as an experienced healer that has done it for years and overheals/keeps up buffs i wouldn't call them almost fake or fake. they'll improve eventually.

a fake healer has to be doing that on purpose.

boi_anachronism_ · September 2023

I mean idk. As a healer i come with usually 9-10 skills on my bar that are healing or buff. For my warden the remaining 2 or 3 being fissure for minor breach, flys for vuln and occasionally wings or something to proc brittle. Other then that all heals. Orb, combat, regen, ect.

Calastir · September 2023

Not using even one healing ability = fake healer.

End of.

Katheriah · September 2023

I see some people already gave their opinion, but I feel like this isn't answered yet:

AvalonRanger wrote: »

(When I'm in healer character, I keep scattering several type of healing skill continuously during
the combat. Am I doing too much?)

You can actually do too much healing. A good healer also provides buffs, debuffs targets and helps with resource management. A lot of dungeons don't actually need a dedicated healer. This obviously depends on the dungeon, mode and group.

That's why premade group for dungeon trifecta achievements doesn't use a dedicated healer anymore, but a tank and 3 DD's with some minor changes to their regular setup.

NoSoup · September 2023

You have to at the very least bring major courage to the group. If you're not then you're a fake healer.

AvalonRanger · September 2023

NoSoup wrote: »

You have to at the very least bring major courage to the group. If you're not then you're a fake healer.

Agree.
At least, people who know this basic knowledge are not amateur healer.

LittlePinkDot · September 2023

AvalonRanger wrote: »

What is the [fake healer] definition?

I feel most of PUG healer of random team is not so helpful.

They mostly don't have emergency healing skill for the team member.
Just cast "orb" or something but that's all, and let DD die so many times during combat.

Just why? Are they fake?

(When I'm in healer character, I keep scattering several type of healing skill continuously during
the combat. Am I doing too much?)

I tried tank pugging Vet Lair of Maarselok today.
The "healer" was not a healer. And even stated that.
Arcanist doesn't have an on demand burst heal. She's a tank that needs a real healer.

Maybe a Warden Polar wind tank could handle it. But Arcanist tanks weak spot is healing.

boi_anachronism_ · September 2023

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

What is the [fake healer] definition?

I feel most of PUG healer of random team is not so helpful.

They mostly don't have emergency healing skill for the team member.
Just cast "orb" or something but that's all, and let DD die so many times during combat.

Just why? Are they fake?

(When I'm in healer character, I keep scattering several type of healing skill continuously during
the combat. Am I doing too much?)

I tried tank pugging Vet Lair of Maarselok today.
The "healer" was not a healer. And even stated that.
Arcanist doesn't have an on demand burst heal. She's a tank that needs a real healer.

Maybe a Warden Polar wind tank could handle it. But Arcanist tanks weak spot is healing.

While i dont disagree that potentially less experienced arc tanks may have an issue with this im able to self sustain when needed. Its not easy but i can. I tanked moonhunter hm without one. We would have cleared if the dps hadnt died. The healer should have been with them, not me. I was holding half the room plus both wolves and the boss ok. When the dds went down i held the boss, the wolves and all the adds for a solid 30 seconds before i went down. The tank is never supposed to do that. Dd keep one wolf down and mop up at least some of the adds in basic strats. I cant say ive needed a healer for me for any vet dungeon but i also havent tanked coral or scriveners on vet so they might be different. If i truely need a burst i slot vigor.

Amottica · September 2023

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I would say if you don’t have at least one skill slotted that can heal another party member, you’re a fake healer.

That might not be enough depending on the difficulty of the content and the competence of the rest of the party, but in that case you’re a bad healer not a fake one.

I avoid the issue by running the heals myself.

This. The choice of heal makes a difference in how effective it will be. Considering we are likely talking about GF groups there is the competency of the other players in avoiding and mitigating damage as should be expected.

Back when I did use the GF to get a group I started off healing before adding a tank to my characters. I had no issue keeping the group up with really only two skills except for when they were challenged to get out of obvious telegraphed AoEs and would get one shot. Healers cannot heal that kind of player.

What is interesting is I often did half the group's damage as a healer and that was mostly from WoE, heavy attacks, and the healing twilight. All while healing.

LittlePinkDot · September 2023

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

What is the [fake healer] definition?

I feel most of PUG healer of random team is not so helpful.

They mostly don't have emergency healing skill for the team member.
Just cast "orb" or something but that's all, and let DD die so many times during combat.

Just why? Are they fake?

(When I'm in healer character, I keep scattering several type of healing skill continuously during
the combat. Am I doing too much?)

I tried tank pugging Vet Lair of Maarselok today.
The "healer" was not a healer. And even stated that.
Arcanist doesn't have an on demand burst heal. She's a tank that needs a real healer.

Maybe a Warden Polar wind tank could handle it. But Arcanist tanks weak spot is healing.

While i dont disagree that potentially less experienced arc tanks may have an issue with this im able to self sustain when needed. Its not easy but i can. I tanked moonhunter hm without one. We would have cleared if the dps hadnt died. The healer should have been with them, not me. I was holding half the room plus both wolves and the boss ok. When the dds went down i held the boss, the wolves and all the adds for a solid 30 seconds before i went down. The tank is never supposed to do that. Dd keep one wolf down and mop up at least some of the adds in basic strats. I cant say ive needed a healer for me for any vet dungeon but i also havent tanked coral or scriveners on vet so they might be different. If i truely need a burst i slot vigor.

Well I only pug. I don't do premade groups.
We're just rolling the dice and hoping we can do it. If I have to be a real tank, then I expect those that queue for healer to be a real healer. It's the job they signed up for.
Sometimes the DD's have poor damage as well.
What you get is a random mixed bag.

boi_anachronism_ · September 2023

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

What is the [fake healer] definition?

I feel most of PUG healer of random team is not so helpful.

They mostly don't have emergency healing skill for the team member.
Just cast "orb" or something but that's all, and let DD die so many times during combat.

Just why? Are they fake?

(When I'm in healer character, I keep scattering several type of healing skill continuously during
the combat. Am I doing too much?)

I tried tank pugging Vet Lair of Maarselok today.
The "healer" was not a healer. And even stated that.
Arcanist doesn't have an on demand burst heal. She's a tank that needs a real healer.

Maybe a Warden Polar wind tank could handle it. But Arcanist tanks weak spot is healing.

While i dont disagree that potentially less experienced arc tanks may have an issue with this im able to self sustain when needed. Its not easy but i can. I tanked moonhunter hm without one. We would have cleared if the dps hadnt died. The healer should have been with them, not me. I was holding half the room plus both wolves and the boss ok. When the dds went down i held the boss, the wolves and all the adds for a solid 30 seconds before i went down. The tank is never supposed to do that. Dd keep one wolf down and mop up at least some of the adds in basic strats. I cant say ive needed a healer for me for any vet dungeon but i also havent tanked coral or scriveners on vet so they might be different. If i truely need a burst i slot vigor.

Well I only pug. I don't do premade groups.
We're just rolling the dice and hoping we can do it. If I have to be a real tank, then I expect those that queue for healer to be a real healer. It's the job they signed up for.
Sometimes the DD's have poor damage as well.
What you get is a random mixed bag.

Oh trust me, i know. Ive done it enough pugs. In that situation i only knew one of the dps.

Calastir · September 2023

Well, just queued for 2 Random Veteran Dungeons as tank, both had fake healers where one even kept stealing my taunts which killed the whole party.

Wasted my lunch break.

AvalonRanger · September 2023

Calastir wrote: »

Well, just queued for 2 Random Veteran Dungeons as tank, both had fake healers where one even kept stealing my taunts which killed the whole party.

Wasted my lunch break.

I'll pat your shoulder...

I'm tank main player. So I can understand your burden.
I hope U40 new group tool save our hard days.

AvalonRanger · September 2023

Katheriah wrote: »

I see some people already gave their opinion, but I feel like this isn't answered yet:

AvalonRanger wrote: »

(When I'm in healer character, I keep scattering several type of healing skill continuously during
the combat. Am I doing too much?)

You can actually do too much healing. A good healer also provides buffs, debuffs targets and helps with resource management. A lot of dungeons don't actually need a dedicated healer. This obviously depends on the dungeon, mode and group.

That's why premade group for dungeon trifecta achievements doesn't use a dedicated healer anymore, but a tank and 3 DD's with some minor changes to their regular setup.

"You can actually do too much healing. A good healer also provides buffs"

Maybe.

But I'm wielding SPC. I've been studying healer build at the wiki page enough.
And, saved many of low-Lv DD. And let them good work by my healing.

boi_anachronism_ · September 2023

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

I see some people already gave their opinion, but I feel like this isn't answered yet:

AvalonRanger wrote: »

(When I'm in healer character, I keep scattering several type of healing skill continuously during
the combat. Am I doing too much?)

You can actually do too much healing. A good healer also provides buffs, debuffs targets and helps with resource management. A lot of dungeons don't actually need a dedicated healer. This obviously depends on the dungeon, mode and group.

That's why premade group for dungeon trifecta achievements doesn't use a dedicated healer anymore, but a tank and 3 DD's with some minor changes to their regular setup.

"You can actually do too much healing. A good healer also provides buffs"

Maybe.

But I'm wielding SPC. I've been studying healer build at the wiki page enough.
And, saved many of low-Lv DD. And let them good work by my healing.

They may be more referring to vet dlcs. I keep some extra gear. if i have an obviously experienced group i'll toss on a buff set and swap some skills around.