I get what you’re saying as a player who always appreciated the art and story of the dungeons. But, as a player that’s played since beta, the early dungeons bore me to tears and I’m probably only doing them as a random for ten transmutes. Of the delves you listed, Cradle of Shadows was always a favorite of mine, but the others can be painful.

I always basically do what the group wants to do. If the group wants to haul butt to die right at the boss and then respawn and do the boss fight I’m down with it.

If I look and see I’m in a group with low level players and they are taking their time I’m fine with that too.

Not everyone is as flexible as I am though. As always, if you want the best possible experience, group with like minded players.

The best way to approach the Undaunted Event is to run as fast as you can in the opposite direction.

Ive had whole banks full of this ugly opal c@#p for previous events, im over it so dont bother. Also if its the "just wipe" squad its a waste of my time, since i enjoy the killing part in the first place. I agree with the form your own group idea during this event if youre gonna bother, dont use activity finder itll only ruin your day if you enjoy combat.

Why can i not trade ingame with people or send them mails is a mystery to me..... like really..... one event and everything just breaks. mickey mouse outfit this is.

I just did a run of group dungeons (non-veterinarian) and it was the same nascar sprint. There's no room for stamina DPS (not that I would know what that is supposed to be) because all that stamina gets wasted on sprinting around and, Sheogorath give us sanity, but if it's your first time and you haven't learned the NPC dialogue lines by rote...and you're weaving in and out of a stream of oncoming beasties the others mobtrained all the way to ...somewhere... and now all those poor, neglected beasties are all trying get a some modicum of comfort by returning to their favourite haunts....well, at some point this catches up and it ain't pretty!

The fun part, though, is how differential latency buggers up the netcode because no-one ever thinks of what happens when you mix a bunch of 360ms, 240ms, 100ms and 18ms players and try to render their actions, effects, outfits, pets, and summoned beasties in a real time environment which, although it lacks any visarea issues I can find, does have the odd pathing issue (NavMesh or lack thereof!) and .... of course someone's going to have the magic latency number that cancels out with something, divides by zero and crashes the client (OK, the theory-crafting is strong in this one. Those CtDs in 9.1.5 + 9.1.6 could be anything although I've ruled out add-on/API conflicts, visarea issues, corrupted files, and the usual suspects).

Speaking of which, I crashed my client when things were already getting long in the tooth:

1. Pristine purple-quality armour was worn from 100% to the point of falling off
2. My already more than double-capacity inventory was fuller than a popular pub on a Saturday night
3. ....

So, I had to stop, unload, and repair my gear and, as could be expected, I got kicked. So, something did go as expected. And, no there is nothing wrong here - this part is working exactly as it should to keep the other players where they want to be

As for the rest...

#BlameUncleSheo LOL!
And don't tell him I said that!

Seriously, or perhaps hilariously, that was an absolutely torrential lootstorm and it was great to see the Crown Repair kits working the way all repair kits should (double-click the repair kit and forget).

From a testing perspective, it was a fun, interesting, and rewarding romp. I'm not sure how players who want to read the dialogue, experience the mission, see the sights and shake hands with the locals would feel, though. Sure, I want to do that too but having either foot planted in two completely different perspectives kinda colours how I see things.

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I can see a major issue with the way ESO handles private instances ("group dungeons").

On a selection level (and, from a player experience viewpoint, the most important feature) the system needs to allow players to specify what type of group they join so you don't have someone who wants to take in every stop getting dumped in with a group of speedrunners who are farming gold or perhaps something fabulously more valuable then gold. Group playstyles can and could be divided up as follows:

• Random: Really, some players want a surprise - just not all of us!
• Speedrunners: whether you're farming gold, XP or gear, this is the kind of group best suited for farming.
• Sightseers: Different dungeon each time and wait at each NPC for every first-timer to finish reading.
• Slayers: Stop for every mob. Leave nothing alive.
• Explorers: Examine every square millimeter of the dungeon to discover every secret space, no matter how insignificant.
• Bughunters: They're not here to play with the beasties. They're here to find new and interesting ways to crash the client, send the instance into a death spiral, leave no geometry hole without a screenshot, find every inverted navmesh tri and hung vertice, etc.

On a self-assigned role level, I see from the forum chatter that there is considerable confusion over whether players are participating in group activity as a free service to other players or, uhm, just playing the game while rubbing shoulders with other players who want the some (not all) of the same things from the game; in a nutshell, entertainment, which comes in different flavours for different players.

Look. If you are the only one in the group who wants to do this in a situation majority rules. Its that simple. I ask. If folks need a quest i slow down for them but right now the vast, vast majority are farming. Acclimate, use a premade group for the duration of the event or dont be surprised if you are kicked, its a selfish attitude. Dungeons are a team event. If you dont want to do what 75% of the team wants to its time to look for a different one. Its their time too. As a raider if the majority of my team wants to do x i acclimate. If the lead gives me a role even if i dont particularly love it but its best for everyone i do it.

ZOS created an event where event rewards only come from final boss. Therefore, it is logical to want to get to final boss as quickly as quickly as possible and skip everything that is optional. If the event dropped random rewards instead of only 1 reward at a specified boss, you would likely have the exact opposite - people wanting to kill every trash mob and every boss in an attempt to maximize rewards.

Even outside the event, the game is skewed toward rewarding you for final boss kill. Monster masks, gear for sticker book, XP and transmutes, motif/style pages. All come exclusively or mostly from final boss. The event just skews that further.

People are trying to maximize rewards based on the game and event design. They see you as attempting to sabotage the game and event by reducing the rewards they can get in a given timeframe. They see killing trash mobs they have killed a million times that drop nothing, or side bosses they have killed a millions time and that drop nothing, as a waste of time.

You are welcome to not like this game design. But the players kicked you not for "playing the game" but for wasting their time. The game incentives are on the side of the speed runners.

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ZOS created an event where event rewards only come from final boss. Therefore, it is logical to want to get to final boss as quickly as quickly as possible and skip everything that is optional. If the event dropped random rewards instead of only 1 reward at a specified boss, you would likely have the exact opposite - people wanting to kill every trash mob and every boss in an attempt to maximize rewards.

Even outside the event, the game is skewed toward rewarding you for final boss kill. Monster masks, gear for sticker book, XP and transmutes, motif/style pages. All come exclusively or mostly from final boss. The event just skews that further.

People are trying to maximize rewards based on the game and event design. They see you as attempting to sabotage the game and event by reducing the rewards they can get in a given timeframe. They see killing trash mobs they have killed a million times that drop nothing, or side bosses they have killed a millions time and that drop nothing, as a waste of time.

You are welcome to not like this game design. But the players kicked you not for "playing the game" but for wasting their time. The game incentives are on the side of the speed runners.

You are absolutly right there. Many of the design decisions made by ZoS is creating situations, which is not called for, and as a player can´t change.

We should ask ZoS - why do they keep on making decisions, which keeps people ending up in these situations.

It´s not like, there isn´t any Mmo´s out there, who can´t show them how to change it.