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Viable bow using class/spec in the game?

gamer559
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Just came back the game after being gone for a while. Is there any viable specs in the game that uses a bow as their primary weapon? Obviously I know weapon swapping can be used to allow different weapon choices while fighting but I'm curious if any specs of classes use a bow for their primary fighting.
  • Amerises
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    PvE solo or group or PvP solo or group, overland, dungeons, BGs or Cyrodiil? Bow is definitely viable now, but the build will vary based on what you’re trying to accomplish
  • OBJnoob
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    I've been playing my stamsorc with bow for quite a while. The class kit synergizes very well with it in my opinion. I'm not even using any bow skills just curse, bound armaments, and crystal weapon. This is for PvP but I don't see why it wouldn't be good for PvE too. With different skills of course... More bow skills.
  • WrathOfInnos
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    You have excellent timing. Bows were just buffed this week and are now a solid choice for most damage builds, about equivalent to dual wielding daggers. Bows can be used front bar, back bar or both.

    The only major drawback I've noticed is that you don't have good access to Major Evasion (reducing incoming AoE damage by 20%) like Daggers do with Blade Cloak. I think this is fair decision though, for a ranged build to be more squishy than a melee build, particularly when it comes to standing in red circles.
    Edited by WrathOfInnos on August 27, 2023 12:32AM
  • gamer559
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    Amerises wrote: »
    PvE solo or group or PvP solo or group, overland, dungeons, BGs or Cyrodiil? Bow is definitely viable now, but the build will vary based on what you’re trying to accomplish

    It would mainly be for PvE content. Solo or grouping up for dungeons. I tried to also edit my post to add that in for others who may come to this thread later to see that in my post but I guess ESO doesn't allow editing your own posts or I just can't see how/where to lol
  • gamer559
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    You have excellent timing. Bows were just buffed this week and are now a solid choice for most damage builds, about equivalent to dual wielding daggers. Bows can be used front bar, back bar or both.

    The only major drawback I've noticed is that you don't have good access to Major Evasion (reducing incoming AoE damage by 20%) like Daggers do with Blade Cloak. I think this is fair decision though, for a ranged build to be more squishy than a melee build, particularly when it comes to standing in red circles.

    Is there a class that compliments bow usage the best? I was thinking nightblade might but honestly have no clue who might do well with it.
  • Zodiarkslayer
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    With ranged builds in ESO it's important that you have an instant cast spammable, because of the travel time.
    You also need to like how it weaves. And having access to your important buffs and debuffs from range is worth a thought. For example, barbed Trap won't work. You need to find another source for minor force.

    I have a Woodelf StamSorc. Two Bows.

    Tzogvin's Warband, Order's Wrath and Stormfist. Maelstrom backbar.
    Crystal Weapon as spammable. You can play it with pets or without.

    She feels really powerful with the new changes to Bow. This setup has very high crit chance and, thanks to the Shadow Mundus, over 100% crit damage.
    Good penetration, too.
    No sustain issues at over 2500 stam recovery.
    gamer559 wrote: »
    Is there a class that compliments bow usage the best? I was thinking nightblade might but honestly have no clue who might do well with it.

    I think only Sorcerer and Arcanist can do ranged Bow builds effectively.

    DragonKnight and Templar need to be melee, because of the spammables and the range of the important DoTs.
    Warden can do ranged, but only between 9m and 20m, because otherwise shalks do not hit and then you loose so much damage. Actually you need to be closer, like maybe ~15m. The hit boxes of some enemeies are weird.
    With Warden and Necromancer its the ranged spammable (birds and skulls), wich are atrocious to weave in both cases. You could use FG Silver Shards instead, however.
    And Templar, Nightblade and Necromancer still have no access to Major Brutality on cast from range. You would need to use Degeneration here.
    Edited by Zodiarkslayer on August 27, 2023 9:14AM
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  • DocFrost72
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    gamer559 wrote: »
    You have excellent timing. Bows were just buffed this week and are now a solid choice for most damage builds, about equivalent to dual wielding daggers. Bows can be used front bar, back bar or both.

    The only major drawback I've noticed is that you don't have good access to Major Evasion (reducing incoming AoE damage by 20%) like Daggers do with Blade Cloak. I think this is fair decision though, for a ranged build to be more squishy than a melee build, particularly when it comes to standing in red circles.

    Is there a class that compliments bow usage the best? I was thinking nightblade might but honestly have no clue who might do well with it.

    Each class has their own unique flavor and feel, and some are better suited than others.

    Sorcerers tend to feel great, and now with buffed bound armaments and as a poster mentioned above, crystal weapons, you can feel like an arcane style archer. Pairing overload heavies in can also be hellacious aoe dps, while lights are a great addition to your ranged arsenal. Remember to pick physical morphs like ballista, focused aim, and bombard for the 10% damage passive sorcs get.

    Nightblades are also a really solid choice, specializing in direct damage and careful positioning. You can fight from afar with abilities like shade and the spectral bow proc, or close the gap with abilities like killer's blade (convenient and very good class execute) or incapacitating strike.

    Templar and DKs are a very much more *aggressive* and up in your face style of bow build. While they certainly have ranged abilities, the abilities in question tend not to be designed around damage. The templar Javelin is not a great soammable, and stonefist is a little too clunky for my taste. That said, if you want to get in and be the legolas style shennaniganery of close quarters fighting with a bow, both these classes excel. Templar helps you stand your ground, has loads of awesome aoe, and is very beefy. DK has dots for days and, if you don't mind being close, can really put the pressure on someone all while debuffing them to kingdom come.

    Wardens, of all the classes, feel the most designed for true ranged bow combat at the moment. Their spammable has a 28 meter range, they come equipped woth a bear pet ultimate for all your dnd ranger fantasies, and abilities like fetcherflies and sub assault let you keep a comfortable range while also bringing the hurt. Worth noting; Wardens are fantastic for team play and, in dungeon groups especially, can often be a major boon with all their buffs. Toughness (10% more max hp after a heal) is underrated.

    I'm on the fence about Arcanist's standing as a bow build. My dps uses a bow primarily, but only because it is a weapon that restores stamina and has a ranged light attack. A LOT of the arcanist's whole gimmic is building crux to spend it, and bow abilities don't build crux. If you want to use more class abilities than bow abilities, the arcanist is a solid enough option. Note: arcanist runeblade spammable is only 22 meters, NOT 28. I recommend cepheliarchs flail instead to generate your beam batteries.

    Necromancers fall into a fun category like the nightblade, but all at range. Blastbones and their several beams all play well woth range or melee combat, and they have a phenomenal ultate for damage dealing or solo content. One of the COOLEST things you can ever do is resurrect your tank, healer, or both and a dps while ALSO summoning 3 skeletons carrying unholy amounts of explosives in their rib cages.

    TL;DR EVERY CLASS HAS SOMETHING, ITS ALL ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO FEEL WHILE PLAYING WITH A BOW. IF YOU CAN'T DECIDE, I'D SAY MAKE A WARDEN, NIGHTBLADE, AND SORC IN THAT ORDER. IF THAT FAILS TEY NECROMANCER, THEN ARCANIST.
    Edited by DocFrost72 on August 27, 2023 2:39PM
  • JobooAGS
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    Been using a bow/bow nb since summerset effectively. Only minor changes to builds with each patch but otherwise plays and feels the same.
  • WrathOfInnos
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    gamer559 wrote: »
    You have excellent timing. Bows were just buffed this week and are now a solid choice for most damage builds, about equivalent to dual wielding daggers. Bows can be used front bar, back bar or both.

    The only major drawback I've noticed is that you don't have good access to Major Evasion (reducing incoming AoE damage by 20%) like Daggers do with Blade Cloak. I think this is fair decision though, for a ranged build to be more squishy than a melee build, particularly when it comes to standing in red circles.

    Is there a class that compliments bow usage the best? I was thinking nightblade might but honestly have no clue who might do well with it.

    I haven't tried bow Nightblade this patch, but it sounds like it would work well. I've had good results with bow on Sorc, Templar and Arcanist.

    DK and Necro would be interesting to try, as both have skills that encourage them to be close to enemies, but bow now has a passive that gives bonus damage at close range so it could work.

    I'm not sure how well bow Warden works at the moment, since they get a 10% damage bonus for using an ice staff and Winter's Revenge is terrible unless you have a destruction staff.
  • LittlePinkDot
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    I've been using a PVP Bowcanist poison build.
    Weakness to elements on back bar.

    Arcanist psychic lesion passive increases damage from status effects by 15% and the chance to apply by 75%
    Edited by LittlePinkDot on August 27, 2023 7:15PM
  • Jimbru
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    I just changed my Nightblade to a stam bow/bow build. Stonefist, Pillar of Nirn, and Briarheart sets. It won't win any DPS meter contests (no NB build currently will) but it's working better for me than any of the other NB builds I've tried lately. I use it for general PVE, being cheesy with Acid Spray in battlegrounds, and being annoying in Cyro. If there's an AD archer up the walls pelting you with arrows and caltrops while you're trying to take a keep, it might be me. :)
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