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Werewolves v.s. vampires
wilykcat
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I was thinking about pvp and what will happen in a battleground or some other pvp mode if this happened...
Who do you think will win if one team are all vampires and the other team is all werewolves. Which team will you be on for this epic battle? Which one is better...
Who do you think will win if one team are all vampires and the other team is all werewolves. Which team will you be on for this epic battle? Which one is better...
Werewolves v.s. vampires 49 votes
Werewolves
20%
10 votes
Or
18%
9 votes
Vampires
61%
30 votes
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Tigeracer✭✭✭✭VampiresIt's obviously vampires. 98 percent of pvp is vampires and the other 2 percent werewolves. Annoys me that we're basically forced into being a vampire. I'll never fold though. Mortal for life!7
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El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VampiresSeeing as most players are vampires, the werewolves have been consistently losing for some time now2 -
Soarora✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VampiresI play fine as a werewolf sometimes but no wolf will beat a good PvPer. I haven’t werewolfed in some time.[PC/NA] Dungeoneer (Tank/DPS), Semi-retired Trialist, and amateur Battlegrounder (DPS) with a passion for The Elder Scrolls lore.
Current GM of Hard Dungeoneers
Tanks: Sorcerer - Necromancer - Templar
DPS: Frost Warden - Stamarc - StamDK - Hybrid NB Healer
Ex-Healer: Warden - Arcanist
Dungeons: 34/34 HMs - 28/28 Tris0 -
Freelancer_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭It depends on the skill level and how optimized they are for PvP.
If you are talking about the best players on a fully min-maxed build the Vamp will win because Undeath makes it even harder to finish someone off that is pushing the game to the limit and the WW's kit can end up being a bit limiting at times.
If you are talking about grabbing a group of random players the WW will likely win because the WW kit is innately decent at PvP.1 -
DTStormfox✭✭✭✭✭VampiresTeam vampires will win because even when they are not using their ultimate transformation, they benefit from vampire passives, allowing for stacking their vampire passives with all other passives whilst also being able to use their class'/weapon'/etc. active abilities; while Team werewolves is forced to transform into werewolf form to get benefits from the werewolf passives, and are forced to use werewolf active abilities.Edited by DTStormfox on August 12, 2023 9:40AM0
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TybaltKaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭VampiresMy heart says Werewolves, but my brain knows it's Vampires, and it's not even close to even.
Vampires are basically free passives on a standard PVP build, and that gives so much extra versatility that Werewolves don't stand a chance. When you add the fact that active skills can just be slotted and they don't need to transform it's a runaway victory. Class doesn't have good mobility? Use Mist Form. Tanky but your damage isn't great? Slot Blood Mist. Still hitting like a wet noodle but you have a boat load of health? Slot Eviscerate.
It's always going to be one sided due to the nature of the design of these trees.- Tybalt Kaine Khajiit Nightblade Aldmeri Dominion
- PC/NA
- Guildmaster- Lucky Raven
- Knight of Marrow - Blackfeather Academy
- Adepti- The Witches Goblet
- "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
- "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
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jerj6925✭✭✭✭WerewolvesI never see anyone use vampire abilities, why use them when so many others are better. I used to see werewolf packs running around and couldn't be killed and were just killing everyone who was not a werewolf. I think those builds were dropped for the even more God mode Dragon knights and wardens. Those two classes can everything better than ever other class and all at once.3
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Iriidius✭✭✭✭✭VampiresMaybe the werewolfs can win if they dont transform and all play mag dk to make use of higher vampire fire dmg and non vampire ability cost and the vampires dont have stage 3.
Other than that Vampire will win, Vampire stage 3 is meta and stronger than mortal/untransformed werewolf and transformed werewolf is much weaker than mortal and an rp meme/handicap. I see a werewolf maybe once every few weeks, probably most of the time there is not a single werewolf in all campaigns(Cyrodiil+IC) and battlegrounds on PC EU, while I see even the most unpopular class(necro) multiple times a day.PC EU0 -
Iriidius✭✭✭✭✭Vampires
Most players dont use vampire for skills but for undeath passive and maybe for invisible sprint/300 wpn dmg out of stealth. Althought few players use vampire abilitys, most players use vampire without skills.I never see anyone use vampire abilities, why use them when so many others are better. I used to see werewolf packs running around and couldn't be killed and were just killing everyone who was not a werewolf. I think those builds were dropped for the even more God mode Dragon knights and wardens. Those two classes can everything better than ever other class and all at once.
Even vampire transformation is stronger and more used than werewolf transformation, It gives half a destroultis dmg for 20 second, 20% of your dmg as healing and 10k extra of each attribute leading to an increase in dmg and survivability while werewolf transformation heavily decreases both your dmg and your survivability. Even during the patch where people saw werewolf packs running around I rarely saw a werewolf.
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Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VampiresI'm biased in that a love playing a vampire, but I did play with both skill lines in the current meta and... vampires 100%.
Werewolves suffer from sustain issues, and while they might hit incredibly hard if they don't kill their target quickly they will burn out. If they're built to not burn out they'll lack the necessary damage to probably close the fight.
Vampires also benefit from normal abilities and the versatility of two bars. A proper vampire build will also have infinite sustain for as long as they have constant healing making up for the Blood for Blood costs. Also the vampire ultimate on its own is stronger than the werewolf form. While it only lasts 20 seconds (technically shorter since you're stun locked going into and out of it) it can deal devastating damage and reset a fight going sideways (especially on a Dragon knight with Battle Roar)
Werewolves are just not in a good spot right nowPC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
Udrath✭✭✭✭VampiresI’ve never had sustain problems or with damage on werewolf. Wretched vitality+imperial+shapeshifter chain you should never be in a bad spot. Plus in CP the foresight passive is a must if you really need to spam the heal.
My only problem is I have to slot a bow for expedition. Damage is still good but could be better with DW. Without major expedition I just get dog piled lol
If you can get good playing a werewolf in the current meta, and when you switch to a different class, it’s a lot easier that’s for sure. Learned a lot playing werewolf for like a year straight.Edited by Udrath on August 13, 2023 11:57PM0 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VampiresLiterality anything will beat WW, as WW is worst spec (class/mini class) in the game.
If you would ask me what team I would be in - it is the WW team though. Somehow, games made Vamps boring as they are really overused.Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on August 13, 2023 10:54PM0 -
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✭OrThe answer is clearly "or" here.Leader of Lycan Syndicate, PC NA's tri-faction werewolf guild.~~~Played since the beta, got the monkey.~~~"The blood of the pack is now yours. They are your only family, your only allegiance!"1 -
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✭OrChaszmyr Do'Benrae (Dunmer Magsorc Vampire Infinity) ~ Dusk Doublespeak (Breton Magplar Werewolf) ~ Stan of Rimari (Nord Dragonknight Tank) ~ Bunto Kim Alhambra (Redguard Magplar Paladin) ~ Alicyankali (Argonian Magicka Necromancer Draugr Kin) ~ Gruuman Odinfan (Orsimer Magplar) ~ Boymans van Beuningen (Khajiit Stam Warden Bowzerker) ~ Flannelflail (Imperial Stamina Nightblade Brawler PVP) ~ Calastir (Altmer Stamina Dragonknight) ~ Sallystir (Bosmer Stam Warden Frostbite PVP) ~ Zalastir (Altmer Magicka Warden Ice Storm) ~ Capt Peach (Nord Stamcanist Crux Cannon) ~ PC EU ~ Flynt Westwood (Bosmer Magicka Dragonknight) ~ Chandu the Conjurer (Redguard Magcanist Rune Walker) ~ PC NA ~ since May 26th, 2021.1
