The werewolf transformation has some powerful effects to it, like the aoe fear. The fact is maybe they could reduce the cost of it a bit, 1000 seems expensive, but 100 is way too low. I play a Dragon Knight and my alt specced for reduced cost is still something like 130 ult. I could see them cutting it in half to 500, but the thing is when you get your WW tree high enough you get the devour ability that allows you to eat corpses to stay in WW form longer. So, in the end level your WW tree more and then come back and ask for changes.

Draconiuos wrote: »

The werewolf transformation has some powerful effects to it, like the aoe fear. The fact is maybe they could reduce the cost of it a bit, 1000 seems expensive, but 100 is way too low. I play a Dragon Knight and my alt specced for reduced cost is still something like 130 ult. I could see them cutting it in half to 500, but the thing is when you get your WW tree high enough you get the devour ability that allows you to eat corpses to stay in WW form longer. So, in the end level your WW tree more and then come back and ask for changes.

My were is fully leveled - those abilities don't even come close to making up for the short comings. Not even remotely close.

I still stick by what I think needs to be done: the ultimate cost needs to be removed, and the spell for transformation be changed to a togglable thing that changes you into a WW without the CD, and effectively makes you into ESO's version of a feral druid, with everything relying on stamina.

3. The werewolf buffs only apply whilst using transformation.

There's another related issue: judging by the skill screen while transformed, all of your other abilities are un-purchased for the duration of the transformation, so the passive talent benefits from class, armor, race, etc are gone - and that amounts of a substantial debuff in its own right.

Neutronium_Dragon wrote: »

3. The werewolf buffs only apply whilst using transformation.

There's another related issue: judging by the skill screen while transformed, all of your other abilities are un-purchased for the duration of the transformation, so the passive talent benefits from class, armor, race, etc are gone - and that amounts of a substantial debuff in its own right.

Wow, if that is true then why doesn't ZoS just make the werewolf form that can be toggled on or off because it is already so underpowered. You cant dodge or break any CC, you lose all armor/racial/class buffs, you lose all your class skills and lose 1000 ultimate for a mediocre time in werewolf form.

i think its far to easy to become a werewolf/vampire. By the end of may, everyone who wants the curse will have it.[/]

I disagree with this point. Every player should have the character they want, and if they want it to be a werewolf, it should be a werewolf.

I fully support some of the ideas here and would love to see some ZOS input on the issue.

Let's not forget PVP for werewolves, compare vampire to werewolves in PVP. It is literally a joke you can't use your ultimate the entire time you are in cyrodil, and all your passives don't mean anything because they only used in werewolf form. Give us passives that are for human form and werewolf form make being a werewolf in PVP viable.

Llokii_x wrote: »

iamtimmiller35ub17_ESO wrote: »

Let's not forget PVP for werewolves, compare vampire to werewolves in PVP. It is literally a joke you can't use your ultimate the entire time you are in cyrodil, and all your passives don't mean anything because they only used in werewolf form. Give us passives that are for human form and werewolf form make being a werewolf in PVP viable.

I agree with this. Being a WW should give bonuses in human form as well as in WW form, even if it's simply the bonus stamina. Stamina regen would be good as well.

Also, I like the idea of it being more of a toggle than how it's currently set up as an ultimate. The cost is WAY too high for the amount of time we actually get to use it. I would rather be a WW than a Vamp, but how it is currently, I'm thinking of curing WW and trying to get Vamp instead, at least until WW gets an overhaul.

I'd love passives in human form but honestly if they even did something like let us use werewolf abilities in human form and all the "bonuses" were still werewolf form I'd be happy with that too pouncing on players and AOE fear would more then balance vampire vs. werewolf in pvp without changing the werewolf form itself or making it over powered.(could make it so you have to have werewolf form on your bar to use them in human form.)

Yes, we believe werewolf is under-performing right now. Expect a few buffs to help offset this. In the short run, we’re reducing the ultimate cost of the transformation itself
dulfy.net/2014/05/01/eso-may-1-reddit-ama-transcript/

this is copy pasted from another forum i commented on

Here are some changes I would like to see in werewolf

1. Make it a toggle but still keep it as an ultimate... 500 ult lets you go into wolf form with a run speed boost, armor boost and some health regen.
2. Add a frontal cleave type attack... That way we can take on more than one mob.
3. Add bleed to the light/heavy attacks... If you're not going to boost the base damage done in werewolf form then do this. I mean we are rending and tearing flesh with our claws
4. Add a health regen and damage reduction to devour as an incentive to use it during combat... We have no health regen skills and vamps get devour essence, make our devour work the same way and while we are using it we take ~60% less damage so we can regen health and not get trashed by mobs while doing it... Maybe throw in some stamina regen too. when you fight werewolf mobs and you kill one the other starts to devour the downed one for health regen why cant we do this? That's all I can think of for now.

MasterLanz wrote: »

Easiest way to fix werewolf is to make it work like Overload, and make it so that you can toggle it freely at no cost, but attacking drains your ultimate. Make Devour give you a temporary buff that increases max health and causes attacks to stop draining ult for 10-20 seconds or so.

That would make werewolf a convenient tool worth slotting because you could tactically move in and out of werewolf form for bursts of damage as needed, and even if you have no intention of fighting, you could shift purely for the increase of speed to get around.

To further emphasize not just jumping in and out of form constantly, make the passives something that builds up per-kill or while in werewolf for a certain amount of time, so the longer you are in form, the better it becomes.

Or why can werewolf transformation not be toggled with a low cost? Just make being a werewolf similar to being a feral druid from WoW, you can transform freely with little cost and stay in form for as long as you want. The Feral druid gameplay is very fun and unique yet no MMOs try to copy the feral druid, which can also be the reason why WoW will always be on top. WoW makes fun unique gameplay that is not so punishing to be whatever you want.

So ESO should do the same. Players should be allowed to transform into a werewolf at will and play indefinitely. Having high costs or a timer ruins the fun and immersion. ESO should be promoting fun gameplay!

MasterLanz wrote: »

I'm not sure if just making it a feral druid would feel like a TES werewolf, though. I like that it's an ultimate, because it gives the impression that you have to build up your rage/energy/adrenaline to use it, and I think that was a good idea, just it's been badly implemented. I think it should still sit in the area of being an 'ultimate' and having features related to being an ultimate, which is why I suggest overload. The game already has an ultimate that works this way, and it fits werewolf better than the current style does.

I would also prefer if werewolf form had it's own 'ultimate'. Some kind of maul attack like the werewolf fatalities in skyrim that you can 'burn' the rest of your ultimate bar on to cause a big burst of damage at the cost of losing your werewolf form.

But all of this trouble started from making the werewolf transformation an ultimate in the first place. Having restrictions on transforming into a werewolf is not fun at all. It would be more fun if I could be a werewolf indefinitely since I get the 50% poison weakness 100% of the time. If the werewolf transformation was a low cost ability, similar to a feral druid, then we could get a more useful ultimate while transformed.

The overload is kinda boring and not really fun in the end. I want to be a werewolf indefinitely. Vampires are vampires 100% of the time so werewolves should be able to be werewolves 100% of the time too. Being a werewolf and vampire is unique to ESO and they really need to improve it. if I want to be a human I can play another MMO. ESO needs to emphasis and improve its unique aspects.

i played a WW for a few days, levelled it to 6 or 7 and then cured it for vampirism. honestly, it's just ineffective in it's current form - the ultimate doesn't last long enough and it strips back your ability bar to 2 active abilities: pounce and roar - which are simply not enough and thier morphs are woeful. plus there's a couple of dodgy passives - i'll list them here.

pounce:
brutal pounce - player leaps to target deals AoE damage to all targets in the area, off balance targets are also stunned.
feral pounce - player leaps to target and deals X damage, and stunning off balance targets - adds 1 additional second to werewolf timer. (1 second, pfft!)

roar:
ferocious roar: unleashes a beastly roar casuing fear, disorientation and off-balance to enemies within 6 meters for 4.25 sec. affects up to 3 nearby enemies. when an enemy is killed in this state his nearby allies are set off balance and disorientated for 2.5 sec
rousing roar: unleashes a beastly roar casuing fear, disorientation and off-balance to enemies within 6 meters for 4.25 sec. affects up to 3 nearby enemies. nearby allies gain 3 weapon power for each enemy affected, last 10 sec

then you have these passives

blood rage - gain 5 ultimate when damaged in human form
devour - can devour humanoid corpses to increase WW time

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now, given the option to change this into how i would want it to play (i.e. damage numbers would likely need adjustment to compensate)

first off. i would remove devour as a passive and make it an active that has meaningful duration of change effect. personally i would like to see it as: bites into a target and eats them alive. make it an execute type ability - only usable on targets under 20%/30% hp. extends WW transform by 30sec+

secondly. blood rage. i'd keep it passive but would change it to heal the WW for a percentage of bleed damage done - but wait you say, WW don't do bleed damage.

feral pounce. i'd change the additional affect to an AoE bleed instead of additional werewolf time (as the devour change should be plenty)

new active ability: of tooth and claw: rake all enemies within 5meters for X damage and Y bleed damage over time.
morph A: additional X damage.
morph B: additional Y damage.

new passive ability: prowl - allows stealth whilst in werewolf form

new active ability:
feral swiftness: increases movement speed while stealthed by X%
morph A: feral speed - increases stealthed movement speed by Z%
morph B: scent of blood - increases damage done with next WW ability from stealth by Y%


i'm gonna end this here, as otherwise i'll end up making ridiculously OP abilities - but tbh, it's the balancing of CC, damage done and self healing that makes abilities OP, i leave those numbers up to the developers - it should still be weak against fighters guild members, but equal to vampires and normal players at least.

but as it stands, WW at the minute are very unnapealing, the changes i've proposed, in my mind at least, make the experience much more active. i hope you guys agree.

my personal standpoint is, if they are going to give us an entirely new ability bar for WW, they'd best fill it up with meaningful abilities. WW should play more like a 2H melee dps but with flavour.

Ravinsild wrote: »

I dunno, I like the Werewolf as it is (minus all the obvious bugs).

It's like a minigame to me...I pick a spot I think will be good for going on a rampage, then frantically try to murder everything and devour as much as I can to see how long I can sustain werewolf form...

It's a fun race against the clock and when you can get a really, really long rampage going it's ultra fun.

We are talking about PeeveePee, brah. The werewolf is equivalent to a chihuahua in PvP.