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Gold sellers
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Wow✭✭✭✭✭I'm seeing the increase as well. Was it because ESO at some point went free to pick during one of those Epic Game Store campaignI'm a Godot & GameMaker enthusiast from Java, Indonesia (the most populated island on earth).
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Aorys✭✭✭✭There is no specific option in the menu for reporting gold sellers. That makes me think Zos don't care about them. I wonder if they really investigate and do something about it.0 -
tauriel01✭✭✭✭It didn't start with Epic having the game for free... tho I don't imagine that helped things any. I've seen an uptick (and been reporting them) for the last couple months. It's been the same website over and over, until a couple days ago. I saw a new website associated with the scammer. I don't know what, if anything, ZOS can actually do about it. It might be against the TOS, but they would just be playing whack a mole with these guys. Ban one acct, they get another.0 -
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✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »PC EU: Didn't see even one goldseller for years, and now with the free account promotion, chat is full of them. Please moderate chat during free account promotions!
Goldsellers make a game look really bad.
PS: And there isn't a fast & easy way to report these goldsellers. We should be able to rightclick their name in chat -> Report goldseller -> done.
Nothing to do with the free copy of the game from Epic, they have been around for a long time. If you have never seen them before now then count yourself blessed.
It has everything to do with a free copy of the game. When a game gives you as many free accounts as you can make, a gold seller will take advantage of it to keep your business in line because your current assortment of accounts will eventually be banned so you want more accounts to be able to take up the slack when your current ones are banned. I haven't seen gold sellers on PCNA since early in the game's life until the free Epic giveaway.2 -
Kappachi✭✭✭✭✭PrimeSeptim wrote: »HumbleThaumaturge wrote: »Been seeing gold-seller ads for same website while playing on both the North American and EU servers. I submit a report every time.
I report using: Ask For Help/Report Player/Bad Actions/Scamming
I would like to see ZOS add a new category under "Bad Actions":
- Gold Selling/Gold Laundering
Can't have Gold Sellers without also having a means to transfer gold. I have read that ESO already monitors for gold transfers via: (1) Mail, and (2) player-to-player Trades. But what about gold transfers via "gold laundering" through a Guild Store? In the past, I have reported players for obvious gold laundering (to both ZOS and to their guild master), but the guilty players continue gold laundering . . . day after day, week after week, month after month.
Perhaps if we had a "Gold Selling/Gold Laundering" report category (and if more of us made the effort to submit Reports) we could reduce gold-selling in Tamriel.
Yeah, the report system is pretty trash.
glad i didn't miss the gold selling option, picked bad action/toxicity and some random option within that. we need a new major section just for gold selling especially if they plan to do more free game events.0 -
Lydawobbles✭✭✭✭We have them on console too, and have for a long time. Definitely not epic’s fault1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Parrot1986 wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »PC EU: Didn't see even one goldseller for years, and now with the free account promotion, chat is full of them. Please moderate chat during free account promotions!
Goldsellers make a game look really bad.
PS: And there isn't a fast & easy way to report these goldsellers. We should be able to rightclick their name in chat -> Report goldseller -> done.
Nothing to do with the free copy of the game from Epic, they have been around for a long time. If you have never seen them before now then count yourself blessed.
Can’t say for sure. But I’ve done writs in the same location for years and not had any. Now all of a sudden there’s multiple each day. This has tied in directly with the free epic launch. It’s not definitive but certainly a strong coincidence at least
Maybe I'm just logged in for longer than you (I'm embarrassed to say how many hours each day I play ESO), but I've been seeing these gold-and-crowns sellers for months or even years.
I'm not saying that they aren't taking advantage of the rare free offers like the recent one from Epic; I'm just saying that they've been here since long before the recent free offer from Epic. And with as much money as they're presumably making (although I do hope that they aren't making any money), they can probably buy new accounts without needing to wait for any sales or free offers.
The best way that people can work toward putting a stop to them (aside from reporting them) is by not buying anything from their websites. Don't give them any business, and maybe they'll eventually go out of business.
Except it seems there's never a shortage of players looking for fast and easy ways to acquire more gold, crowns, or whatnots. If there were no market for these kinds of people, they wouldn't exist in the first place. So don't blame Epic or ZOS; blame all of the players who make it profitable for these kinds of sellers to exist at all.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!2 -
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✭✭So forgive my ignorance, but even after reading all the posts here I'm still not sure what a gold seller exactly is, or I guess how it's supposed to work.
My guess, is someone (and I have seen this) says want to sell/buy crowns in zone chat. And at that point, someone responds in whisper or email they negotiate and then talk to the mods? Send a message to ZOS?
And for some cases is legal and for some cases a violation of the terms?
I wouldn't have any idea how to transfer crowns from me to another player. My daughter plays and she has no idea either. In fact she told me that even trying could get me banned... I guess that's not the case.
Is this all documented somewhere in ZOS land?
Just curious.
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✭✭✭✭✭MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »So forgive my ignorance, but even after reading all the posts here I'm still not sure what a gold seller exactly is, or I guess how it's supposed to work.
My guess, is someone (and I have seen this) says want to sell/buy crowns in zone chat. And at that point, someone responds in whisper or email they negotiate and then talk to the mods? Send a message to ZOS?
And for some cases is legal and for some cases a violation of the terms?
I wouldn't have any idea how to transfer crowns from me to another player. My daughter plays and she has no idea either. In fact she told me that even trying could get me banned... I guess that's not the case.
Is this all documented somewhere in ZOS land?
Just curious.
No, what you are describing is okay. The players aren't buying or selling actual crowns, they're buying or selling something in the Crown Store in exchange for in-game gold. For instance, if someone sats "WTB 5000 crowns," what they mean is there is something in the Crown Store that costs 5000 crowns, and they're offering to pay someone gold if that person will purchase that item from the Crown Store and gift it to them. As far as I know, that's acceptable although it isn't fully supported by ZOS, so it's possible to get scammed-- either the player who wants the item as a gift might refuse to send the gold afterward, or the player who's offering to gift the requested item might demand the gold first but then never buy the item from the Crown Store.
What this thread is talking about are third-party websites that offer to sell you in-game gold or crowns outside of the game for real-world money. That sort of thing is definitely not allowed. From time to time you might see someone posting in zone chat about a website where you can buy gold or crowns. That's a gold seller. There are (if I remember correctly) at least 3 websites I've seen advertised over the years, but right now it seems that there are only 2 websites being advertised.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!3 -
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✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »So forgive my ignorance, but even after reading all the posts here I'm still not sure what a gold seller exactly is, or I guess how it's supposed to work.
My guess, is someone (and I have seen this) says want to sell/buy crowns in zone chat. And at that point, someone responds in whisper or email they negotiate and then talk to the mods? Send a message to ZOS?
And for some cases is legal and for some cases a violation of the terms?
I wouldn't have any idea how to transfer crowns from me to another player. My daughter plays and she has no idea either. In fact she told me that even trying could get me banned... I guess that's not the case.
Is this all documented somewhere in ZOS land?
Just curious.
No, what you are describing is okay. The players aren't buying or selling actual crowns, they're buying or selling something in the Crown Store in exchange for in-game gold. For instance, if someone sats "WTB 5000 crowns," what they mean is there is something in the Crown Store that costs 5000 crowns, and they're offering to pay someone gold if that person will purchase that item from the Crown Store and gift it to them. As far as I know, that's acceptable although it isn't fully supported by ZOS, so it's possible to get scammed-- either the player who wants the item as a gift might refuse to send the gold afterward, or the player who's offering to gift the requested item might demand the gold first but then never buy the item from the Crown Store.
What this thread is talking about are third-party websites that offer to sell you in-game gold or crowns outside of the game for real-world money. That sort of thing is definitely not allowed. From time to time you might see someone posting in zone chat about a website where you can buy gold or crowns. That's a gold seller. There are (if I remember correctly) at least 3 websites I've seen advertised over the years, but right now it seems that there are only 2 websites being advertised.
Ah! Many thanks for the information. That explains a lot!
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XxCaLxX✭✭✭✭✭Necrotech_Master wrote: »
Still is. Which have to pay for gamepass sub. After thinking on it, it is really a bad design. Can purchase gamepass sub on your Xbox account, then can make unlimited accounts on that console to use on ESO as long as the account that has gamepass is signed in. Not only that you can set that account as home on another Xbox and doesn't even have to be signed in and can make unlimited accounts on that console for ESO. Basically for the price one of gamepass sub you can have unlimited accounts across two consoles for ESO. So console bans are the only way to even start to slow it down on console.0 -
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✭Necrotech_Master wrote: »
Still is. Which have to pay for gamepass sub. After thinking on it, it is really a bad design. Can purchase gamepass sub on your Xbox account, then can make unlimited accounts on that console to use on ESO as long as the account that has gamepass is signed in. Not only that you can set that account as home on another Xbox and doesn't even have to be signed in and can make unlimited accounts on that console for ESO. Basically for the price one of gamepass sub you can have unlimited accounts across two consoles for ESO. So console bans are the only way to even start to slow it down on console.
My brain glitched here(blame it on my advanced age and absolutely no desire to run several accounts) but if your ESO account is tied to your Xbox account, and only the Xbox account with gamepass can make free ESO accounts, wouldn't that mean as soon as you created and logged into a new Xbox account to make the new ESO account, you'd no longer have gamepass?
In other words, is gamepass console based, or account based..Edited by Lumenn on August 8, 2023 3:04PM0 -
PrimeSeptim✭✭✭MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »So forgive my ignorance, but even after reading all the posts here I'm still not sure what a gold seller exactly is, or I guess how it's supposed to work.
My guess, is someone (and I have seen this) says want to sell/buy crowns in zone chat. And at that point, someone responds in whisper or email they negotiate and then talk to the mods? Send a message to ZOS?
And for some cases is legal and for some cases a violation of the terms?
I wouldn't have any idea how to transfer crowns from me to another player. My daughter plays and she has no idea either. In fact she told me that even trying could get me banned... I guess that's not the case.
Is this all documented somewhere in ZOS land?
Just curious.
No, what you are describing is okay. The players aren't buying or selling actual crowns, they're buying or selling something in the Crown Store in exchange for in-game gold. For instance, if someone sats "WTB 5000 crowns," what they mean is there is something in the Crown Store that costs 5000 crowns, and they're offering to pay someone gold if that person will purchase that item from the Crown Store and gift it to them. As far as I know, that's acceptable although it isn't fully supported by ZOS, so it's possible to get scammed-- either the player who wants the item as a gift might refuse to send the gold afterward, or the player who's offering to gift the requested item might demand the gold first but then never buy the item from the Crown Store.
What this thread is talking about are third-party websites that offer to sell you in-game gold or crowns outside of the game for real-world money. That sort of thing is definitely not allowed. From time to time you might see someone posting in zone chat about a website where you can buy gold or crowns. That's a gold seller. There are (if I remember correctly) at least 3 websites I've seen advertised over the years, but right now it seems that there are only 2 websites being advertised.
Ah! Many thanks for the information. That explains a lot!
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XxCaLxX✭✭✭✭✭Necrotech_Master wrote: »
Still is. Which have to pay for gamepass sub. After thinking on it, it is really a bad design. Can purchase gamepass sub on your Xbox account, then can make unlimited accounts on that console to use on ESO as long as the account that has gamepass is signed in. Not only that you can set that account as home on another Xbox and doesn't even have to be signed in and can make unlimited accounts on that console for ESO. Basically for the price one of gamepass sub you can have unlimited accounts across two consoles for ESO. So console bans are the only way to even start to slow it down on console.
My brain glitched here(blame it on my advanced age and absolutely no desire to run several accounts) but if your ESO account is tied to your Xbox account, and only the Xbox account with gamepass can make free ESO accounts, wouldn't that mean as soon as you created and logged into a new Xbox account to make the new ESO account, you'd no longer have gamepass?
In other words, is gamepass console based, or account based..
It's account based but as long as that account is signed in on your Xbox you can sign into any other account on that Xbox and access the perks of gamepass as well(you can have numerous accounts signed in at once on Xbox). Xbox also has a thing called "my home Xbox" in which you can set your account as home on another Xbox and any account on that Xbox can access your games, gamepass or whatever without that account ever needing to be signed in. This is how ppl gameshare on Xbox as well.1 -
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✭Necrotech_Master wrote: »
Still is. Which have to pay for gamepass sub. After thinking on it, it is really a bad design. Can purchase gamepass sub on your Xbox account, then can make unlimited accounts on that console to use on ESO as long as the account that has gamepass is signed in. Not only that you can set that account as home on another Xbox and doesn't even have to be signed in and can make unlimited accounts on that console for ESO. Basically for the price one of gamepass sub you can have unlimited accounts across two consoles for ESO. So console bans are the only way to even start to slow it down on console.
My brain glitched here(blame it on my advanced age and absolutely no desire to run several accounts) but if your ESO account is tied to your Xbox account, and only the Xbox account with gamepass can make free ESO accounts, wouldn't that mean as soon as you created and logged into a new Xbox account to make the new ESO account, you'd no longer have gamepass?
In other words, is gamepass console based, or account based..
It's account based but as long as that account is signed in on your Xbox you can sign into any other account on that Xbox and access the perks of gamepass as well(you can have numerous accounts signed in at once on Xbox). Xbox also has a thing called "my home Xbox" in which you can set your account as home on another Xbox and any account on that Xbox can access your games, gamepass or whatever without that account ever needing to be signed in. This is how ppl gameshare on Xbox as well.
Ah, thank you for the explanation. I have always just had one account (as no one else in the house plays on console) and hadn't dug into separate accounts.0 -
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✭It's a plague since some days. In Auridon, at time I logon, the chat is filled with calls from gold/crown sellers, that they spam in all chat types so we have them in all colors.
It seems to be always the same organization. I have reported several times when it started some days ago, but now there are so many...I'm out of my mind, feel free to leave a message... PC/NA0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Like bots, it doesn't matter if you report them or not imo. Nothing seems to be done.0 -
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✭✭Someone tought it was a good idea to give out free accounts with full social access in a buy-to-play game. Task em cleaning the result.1 -
PrimeSeptim✭✭✭Hapexamendios wrote: »Like bots, it doesn't matter if you report them or not imo. Nothing seems to be done.
It certainly annoys well behaved, genuine, paying customers and it also surely makes the game look bad, especially for newcomers, but oh no, nothing will be done. What's new with ZOS? Too busy working on their next lot of crown crate junk and masterminding new ideas to profit. Oh no, nothing gets done unless it involves money! But you can at least rest assured that the Crown Store will always remain functional.
You must understand that having an actual customer service not run by monkeys would cost money and they wouldn't like that. It's likely the only reason they gave the game away for free in the first place was to draw in more players like fish to bait and hope they become addicted and start spending. Money first, players second. Nothing is free and so on.
Edited by PrimeSeptim on August 9, 2023 5:42AM2 -
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They should care as its cut into the gifting crown items.There is no specific option in the menu for reporting gold sellers. That makes me think Zos don't care about them. I wonder if they really investigate and do something about it.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hapexamendios wrote: »Like bots, it doesn't matter if you report them or not imo. Nothing seems to be done.
i think that might be a misconception, most of the time the account does get banned, but is crazy easy to just make another account
especially if those gold spammers are actually making money, its only like $20 to get a base eso acct, and ive heard the rumor mill say that gold spammers could make $100k+, so a new $20 acct whenever one gets banned is probably equivalent to business overhead for them
it also doesnt help when eso does "free" deals (xbox game pass, epic games store, or the occasional free play weekends) as it gives gold spammers easier access to fresh accounts (though it is not the intention of those promotions, thats what lets in more gold spammers)plays PC/NA
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mattaeus01b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Addon - Pchat
Didnt even know there was an issue with Gold SpammersPlayer 1 "You all suck, dont you know how to play this game?"
Player 2 "Huh?"
Player 1 "just run passed everything!"
Player 3 "We could just kill them on the way"
Player 4 "Why am I 89% of total DPS, one of the only ones that Qued as DPS, and yet in a group with 3 other DPS that cant seem to kill the basic mobs in a normal dungeon, and being told I suck?"
Player 1 "Whatever, GFL"
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kevkj✭✭✭✭✭I've even seen them in Telvanni Peninsula zone chat on PC NA after it went on sale, so it's obviously profitable for them to invest money into the game to cast a wider net. I know doomposting about online games starts before they are even released, but for ZOS to be unable (or seemingly unwilling) to control this on their most populated servers (and where they don't have to cooperate with the a third party like consoles) to me is a concerning indication of the game's health.Edited by kevkj on August 9, 2023 11:03PM1
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✭✭I cannot go to any zone now without seeing gold sellers in zone chat. Not a good look for the game in my opinion. Imagine being a new player and being bombarded with that.2 -
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✭✭Click name in chat, select Report player, Bad language, subcategory Spam, information "Gold seller". Reporting a player puts em in your ignore list. Should help a bit at least until your ignore list gets full...0 -
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✭✭✭The only way to combat gold sellers effectively is to ban the buyers.
Otherwise the sellers just buy a new account.Never get between a cat and it's candy!
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✭Gold sellers have always cropped up in a few zones around the game from time to time. They do seem most assiduous during events and it did seem more common during this event than at any other time in my memory. That could just be a foggy memory though.
What I'm not foggy on is that gold has never been worth less and this is the first time that I have seen the gold sellers also offering crowns. I found that very interesting.
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[Because I recognize everything else I have to say would be snipped and I figured I would help you all out]I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.0 -
PrimeSeptim✭✭✭The only way to combat gold sellers effectively is to ban the buyers.
Otherwise the sellers just buy a new account.
ZOS probably have the ability to check chat logs between the gold seller and other players. I'm not sure if being curious is enough for a ban but perhaps by monitoring the player afterwards, upon seeing a large sum of gold being added to their inventory, a case could be made. A lot of work though I guess. Maybe having some gamemasters would help.0
