Asked for 2 rosin, was met with silence.

Redguards_Revenge · August 2023

Is this really the state the game is in?

I asked for 2 rosin...or 8k gold....and was met with silence....About 1-2 years ago I asked for something like that, people were willing to help quick. I rarely upgrade my gears. I had the gold to buy the mats, I didn't have the space for the mats. I bought 6 and forgot it was supposed to be 8. ESO+ trial occurred and freed up some space. I needed 2 rosin....Not 50, not 8, not 16. I don't want left over mats taking up my valuable space. It's why I barely upgrade my weapons or make new ones. It's why I barely hold any gold in the game. Just enough to make 1 new set per year. It's why I am still using bone pirates in pvp and finally joined the back bar paradigm and crafted a set for the back bar. We all know twice born star, hundings rage, New Moons Alcolyte, etc. can't be a back bar. Twice born star cant be BACK OR FRONT BAR!! Ravaging can't be a back bar.

So in order for this

HEALTHLESS,
DAMAGELESS,
MAGICALESS,
REGEN LESS,

REDGUARD to get 2k more HP in the game where everybody else and their ancestors have HP, I finally moved from 2 sets on at all time to front bar back bar. Moving my health from 28 to 30k.

1000 stam every 5 seconds, WHEN I ATTACK isn't going to help me sustain more than 258 stam recov every 2 seconds being increased by buffs. Why is imperial a better redguard than redguard?
2k health that I have to sacrifice 2 armor slots to get? 8% weapon abilities? when imperials get 6% all abilities? Snare reduction is a joke.

Then you want me to become a pale vampire to be competitive in PVP? I might as well re roll as an imperial while I am at it.

Yeah I am whining but you can't deny the whine. If you do you're in denial. Yes there are other eso races that also need changes. I started as a redguard templar in this game only to see imperial strip redguard and arcanist, warden and necromancer strip templar....

2 rosin, when I was willing to pay..... The more I play the more I realize this game stopped being for me. They had some great improvements over the years, but unfortunately like all other MMOs the problems that plague other ones still exist here.

The free market system should be trashed. It's a game!!! You can either have a fantastical way the economy works or you can have people who use TTC like things to buy low and sell high over and over again until the prices are so high, they turn off newcomers and current players.

I am willing to change, I never in my life EVER wanted to use a staff in this game...Especially as a redguard....at least I know now why the weapon ability costs 3996 compared to the class ability of the same type of skill for 4200....That 8% REALLY makes a difference on a skill I use every 5 seconds...Oh brother....

alternatelder · August 2023

What exactly was the argument here? The fact you want people to sell or give away their gold mats when you could have just gone to another guild store to buy some (which is super cheap atm anyway), or the way Zos balanced Redguard? I don't understand what any of that had to do with not being able to get 2 rosin out of convenience.

Redguards_Revenge · August 2023

alternatelder wrote: »

What exactly was the argument here? The fact you want people to sell or give away their gold mats when you could have just gone to another guild store to buy some (which is super cheap atm anyway), or the way Zos balanced Redguard? I don't understand what any of that had to do with not being able to get 2 rosin out of convenience.

I am glad you asked, if redguard was competitive and not lackluster, I would not have to change my build and not ever have to ask for 2 rosin. Problems occur when a series of events line up. It's usually never one thing.

Alinhbo_Tyaka · August 2023

I too do not understand your argument. Random players are not obligated to sell their materials or give you gold. How are they to know your trustworthiness? If you need to buy something that is what the guild stores are for. You didn't state what platform you are on but on PC I saw Rosin going for 5K'ish each in smaller quantities. On the PC TTC is your friend. I can't say what situation is on consoles but that doesn't change what I said in my earlier statements.

SpacemanSpiff1 · August 2023

you've played for years and beg in zone for mats. nice

tincanman · August 2023

You asked for free gold mats in chat?

*faints*

/s

Redguards_Revenge · August 2023

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

I too do not understand your argument. Random players are not obligated to sell their materials or give you gold. How are they to know your trustworthiness? If you need to buy something that is what the guild stores are for. You didn't state what platform you are on but on PC I saw Rosin going for 5K'ish each in smaller quantities. On the PC TTC is your friend. I can't say what situation is on consoles but that doesn't change what I said in my earlier statements.

It's strange you say this, it's like the time I went to fill in a guilds' trial/dungeon slot. They begged me for my drops, how was I to know they were telling the truth in what they were going to do with it?

I gave it to them regardless. Do you know why? I won't be able to farm all of the set and it would just be a waste of space for me. I also know this guy probably sat around for hours every weekend at the least and tried to get that item to drop for him.

I wasn't obligated to give it to him...and I could simply have destroyed it and put it in a sticker book. Let's see a guy who owned it or has ESO+ ran it for months trying to get 12 people into a group for days on end trying to get it to drop for him...or my sticker book?

We can choose to be X, or we can choose to be helpful. Winning means nothing when there is nothing left at the end.

Stanx · August 2023

I agree redguards need a rework. I'll only give mats or gold to new players or guildies and actively ignore CP players begging in chat. Half the time it's just to re-sell. You should have no trouble making 8k gold having played the game for years

valenwood_vegan · August 2023

It seems like you have a lot of issues with the game and it might be healthy to take a little ESO break.

Unfortunately, no one is obligated to give or sell you rosin immediately upon demand. Heck, a lot of people ignore or block zone chat. Might be better ways of going about getting what you need. I would venture a guess that in the time taken to create the posts in this thread, you could have found and obtained two rosin. Sorry you had such a bad time of it.

PrimeSeptim · August 2023

I find people rarely buy/sell stuff in zone chat like the good, old days. It's a waste of time. Mostly bots, people trying to scam or just cheapskates even when selling within or under TTC's suggested pricing. You have to deal with the extortionate guild fees instead unfortunately. No one even goes for a fair trade instead of gold. Bad system is bad.

I could spare some Rosin at a steep discount perhaps. But I only give handouts to new players. 2 Rosin for 2 Heartwood?

Alinhbo_Tyaka · August 2023

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

I too do not understand your argument. Random players are not obligated to sell their materials or give you gold. How are they to know your trustworthiness? If you need to buy something that is what the guild stores are for. You didn't state what platform you are on but on PC I saw Rosin going for 5K'ish each in smaller quantities. On the PC TTC is your friend. I can't say what situation is on consoles but that doesn't change what I said in my earlier statements.

It's strange you say this, it's like the time I went to fill in a guilds' trial/dungeon slot. They begged me for my drops, how was I to know they were telling the truth in what they were going to do with it?

I gave it to them regardless. Do you know why? I won't be able to farm all of the set and it would just be a waste of space for me. I also know this guy probably sat around for hours every weekend at the least and tried to get that item to drop for him.

I wasn't obligated to give it to him...and I could simply have destroyed it and put it in a sticker book. Let's see a guy who owned it or has ESO+ ran it for months trying to get 12 people into a group for days on end trying to get it to drop for him...or my sticker book?

We can choose to be X, or we can choose to be helpful. Winning means nothing when there is nothing left at the end.

That was your choice as you were under no obligation to give up drops you were awarded unless you agreed to it as you filled out the guild group run (assuming you aren't part of the guild then it's guild rules). You are here complaining because other players decided not to give you free stuff. You are implying that just because you made the choice to freely give stuff away other players must do the same otherwise they are terrible people. Sorry I don't buy into that argument nor do I think will most players.

tincanman wrote: »

You asked for free gold mats in chat?

*faints*

/s

That or free gold.

Redguards_Revenge · August 2023

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

I too do not understand your argument. Random players are not obligated to sell their materials or give you gold. How are they to know your trustworthiness? If you need to buy something that is what the guild stores are for. You didn't state what platform you are on but on PC I saw Rosin going for 5K'ish each in smaller quantities. On the PC TTC is your friend. I can't say what situation is on consoles but that doesn't change what I said in my earlier statements.

It's strange you say this, it's like the time I went to fill in a guilds' trial/dungeon slot. They begged me for my drops, how was I to know they were telling the truth in what they were going to do with it?

I gave it to them regardless. Do you know why? I won't be able to farm all of the set and it would just be a waste of space for me. I also know this guy probably sat around for hours every weekend at the least and tried to get that item to drop for him.

I wasn't obligated to give it to him...and I could simply have destroyed it and put it in a sticker book. Let's see a guy who owned it or has ESO+ ran it for months trying to get 12 people into a group for days on end trying to get it to drop for him...or my sticker book?

We can choose to be X, or we can choose to be helpful. Winning means nothing when there is nothing left at the end.

That was your choice as you were under no obligation to give up drops you were awarded unless you agreed to it as you filled out the guild group run (assuming you aren't part of the guild then it's guild rules). You are here complaining because other players decided not to give you free stuff. You are implying that just because you made the choice to freely give stuff away other players must do the same otherwise they are terrible people. Sorry I don't buy into that argument nor do I think will most players.

No I never said they were terrible people you did. I just find the trend willing to help to every man for themselves very insightful. I've seen this trend happen many times in the 20 years of me playing MMOs. ESO couldn't break the cycle it is living the same way as those other MMOs. The behavior kills games. This is a fact. I honestly wish the game would have stayed pay to play, but then the game probably would have died by then, they changed their behaviors and tactics to stay alive. Unfortunately, they can't stop the players from using the same old tactics they used to kill other MMOs. I won't be a part of it. They are not terrible because it was what they were taught was right to do.

I'll be getting the popcorn out soon. When they continue their 1-dimensional buy low sell high tactics until the prices can only be grabbed by the few....The whales and the one's who already have 99% of the stuff in the game. We aren't there yet. Where huge amounts of gold are being pushed for items as it is not the selling of items in game but the selling of time in real life. When there are too few players to get things to drop/farm. ESO shouldn't go anywhere anytime soon, but the cracks are starting to show. Who knows, they might have a solution around the corner.

Finedaible · August 2023

Kappachi · August 2023

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Is this really the state the game is in?

I asked for 2 rosin...or 8k gold....and was met with silence....About 1-2 years ago I asked for something like that, people were willing to help quick. I rarely upgrade my gears. I had the gold to buy the mats, I didn't have the space for the mats. I bought 6 and forgot it was supposed to be 8. ESO+ trial occurred and freed up some space. I needed 2 rosin....Not 50, not 8, not 16. I don't want left over mats taking up my valuable space. It's why I barely upgrade my weapons or make new ones. It's why I barely hold any gold in the game. Just enough to make 1 new set per year. It's why I am still using bone pirates in pvp and finally joined the back bar paradigm and crafted a set for the back bar. We all know twice born star, hundings rage, New Moons Alcolyte, etc. can't be a back bar. Twice born star cant be BACK OR FRONT BAR!! Ravaging can't be a back bar.

So in order for this

HEALTHLESS,
DAMAGELESS,
MAGICALESS,
REGEN LESS,

REDGUARD to get 2k more HP in the game where everybody else and their ancestors have HP, I finally moved from 2 sets on at all time to front bar back bar. Moving my health from 28 to 30k.

1000 stam every 5 seconds, WHEN I ATTACK isn't going to help me sustain more than 258 stam recov every 2 seconds being increased by buffs. Why is imperial a better redguard than redguard?
2k health that I have to sacrifice 2 armor slots to get? 8% weapon abilities? when imperials get 6% all abilities? Snare reduction is a joke.

Then you want me to become a pale vampire to be competitive in PVP? I might as well re roll as an imperial while I am at it.

Yeah I am whining but you can't deny the whine. If you do you're in denial. Yes there are other eso races that also need changes. I started as a redguard templar in this game only to see imperial strip redguard and arcanist, warden and necromancer strip templar....

2 rosin, when I was willing to pay..... The more I play the more I realize this game stopped being for me. They had some great improvements over the years, but unfortunately like all other MMOs the problems that plague other ones still exist here.

The free market system should be trashed. It's a game!!! You can either have a fantastical way the economy works or you can have people who use TTC like things to buy low and sell high over and over again until the prices are so high, they turn off newcomers and current players.

I am willing to change, I never in my life EVER wanted to use a staff in this game...Especially as a redguard....at least I know now why the weapon ability costs 3996 compared to the class ability of the same type of skill for 4200....That 8% REALLY makes a difference on a skill I use every 5 seconds...Oh brother....

If I was in your zone chat, I would've done a quick TTC lookup then sold to you at the suggested price for Rosin, you would've had 2 quick rosin. Gold can be used to buy crowns in this game and therefore has theoretical value, giving things for free isn't in the best interest of traders.

Stanx · August 2023

I think its worth noting that my experience of the community over my 5 years of playing ESO has been that I have always found people willing to help. Total strangers even. I'll always respond to requests for help and likewise have found people will always be willing to help me. There's obviously the odd troll or bully but in no way have I experienced a decline in the friendliness of other players.

This is about not being given something for free - stop trying to dress it up like some grandiose violation. People don't like beggers. The stuff you want is what other people have earned.

WreckfulAbandon · August 2023

As someone who helps and has helped many people I can assure you none of them were begging in zone. Or anywhere.

TheAgentNZ · August 2023

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

I don't want left over mats taking up my valuable space. It's why I barely upgrade my weapons or make new ones. It's why I barely hold any gold in the game..

Your decision to not hold mats in your inventory doesn't mean the community is expected to pick up the tab.

This is not an indictment on the state of the game at all, but rather a symptom of another problem around inventory management.

Furthermore, gold does not take up any inventory slots, so I don't understand why you wouldn't hold gold over time from playing; unless of course, your not playing a lot which would be a more plausible reason why you asked zone chat to fund mats or gold.

Freelancer_ESO · August 2023

Some people have gotten to become professional about asking for help as a result, people help less frequently especially when resources are involved. Half of the time when I go to help with a WB it's not someone that actually needs help killing it so much as it's somebody that just wanted their daily to go a bit faster.

For PvE areas, disguises can override vampirism but, they get disabled in PvP areas.

Lumenn · August 2023

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Some people have gotten to become professional about asking for help as a result, people help less frequently especially when resources are involved.

Yep. I can remember even back in '99 in EQ there was a trend of neckbeards making little female elf "new" characters asking for $ or items. "Oh please I'm brand new, can anyone help? I just don't know WHAT I'm doing and anything will help"

I'll help guildies out, but rarely zone chat. The last one I helped in zone chat "just to finish a daily writ" kept asking in zone chat. I swapped through 16 characters doing writs while they blasted zone chat. I still see them occasionally in another zone doing the same.

8-10k is an easy cash "grind". Especially for anyone who's played for awhile. One characters round of writs will do half of it for you.....anyone willing to spam zone chat for something they could easily get is usually going to get ignored.

SeaGtGruff · August 2023

If I see a request for a small number of resources and I'm not in the middle of doing something else, I'll generally send some. But since I have ESO Plus, I need to go into my craft bag to pull out whatever it was before I can attach it to a mail and send it to the other player-- and I typically put all of my gold in the bank, so I usually need to pull out my banker to withdraw 10 gold or whatever the postage ends up being-- hence it might take a few minutes for me to actually send anything. By that time, often someone else will have posted "sent," so if I'm in the middle of something I'll generally wait a minute to see if anyone posts "sent" before I start the process of going through my craft bag, pulling out my banker, and sending a mail.

If I see a player posting a WTB for several things at once but there are no quantities mentioned, I assume they're resellers and will just ignore them. But if someone mentions a specific quantity that they need, I generally assume they need it for personal use and will consider sending them some. I've ended up helping a few housing enthusiasts that way, and have gotten to see some amazing housing setups or received occasional exotic crafted furnishings as a result.

Anyway, sometimes you have to take a chance and trust people, and sometimes you need to be cautious. Based on the kinds of replies I usually see in zone chat when someone asks for something, I think most players tend to be wary and distrustful, especially if the items requested are legendary-quality temps or furnishing mats.

Oblivion_Protocol · August 2023

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Yeah I am whining....

And that’s the main point, for those wondering. You can buy gold mats or refine enough raw mats to get gold mats on your own. Or, you can go without gold gear and do just fine once you learn the necessary PvP skills.

No, ESO PvP isn’t perfect or even optimized. But a lot of people have learned to get used to it and succeed. What they didn’t do was get upset because no one would give them a handout or sell them mats.

Bucky_13 · August 2023

This is coming from someone who gave away my Medusa fire staff drop to a stranger for free despite not having it unlocked myself back when it was in most BiS setups because I wasn't actually in that much need of it. If you ask for 2 rosin in zone chat I will ignore you. I'm always open to helping other players, but I just can't stand begging for easily obtained items. It just reeks of laziness and entitlement. If it was a player who didn't know how to obtain the rosin then I would help naturally.

This however seems to be more a very all over the place rant about the state of racial balance and maybe other stuff too? I will be helpful to you though: You go to another trade and buy 2 more rosin, they're not hard to find in stacks of 2 there either.

tmbrinks · August 2023

Great... now I'm a bad person if I don't give randoms in zone gold improvement materials?

I regularly make research items for guildies, zone players. I'll send stacks of crafting mats (not upgrade mats) to players looking for them... especially if they're new. I send them without even saying a thing, usually I'm logged off and onto the next character doing writs before they likely get the mail.

Next, I'll be told I need to sell to those that are trying to undercut the market, so they can make profit selling at guild traders.

ForzaRammer · August 2023

If you don’t want to make in game gold, you can always sell crown

SeaGtGruff · August 2023

Bucky_13 wrote: »

If it was a player who didn't know how to obtain the rosin then I would help naturally.

And you instantly determine this how, exactly?

Soarora · August 2023

Rosin is a valuable resource. If you were asking for soul gems because you're out or like 2 gold for mount training then someone would help under the assumption that you're new. But not many people are going to give away rosin for free, let alone to someone who's not new.

disintegr8 · August 2023

If this game and its community annoy you, probably time to play something else.

HarroHerro · August 2023

never let bro cook again

RedFireDisco · August 2023

What you should have done is found an area with wood and run around in a circuit harvesting those nodes until you have around 450, then you should refine them on your character that you've upgraded woodworking.

Failing that, you could just farm all mats and sell them to buy rosin.

Otherwise, you're basically asking someone else to do it for you which is unbelievably entitled.

If you asked for a few lockpicks or refined mats, I'm sure people would help. Tempers are a premium

It's the difference between a beggar asking for a few bucks for a meal or asking for a five-Michelin-star degustation course.

You're the latter not the former.

ArchangelIsraphel · August 2023

Finedaible wrote: »

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spartaxoxo · August 2023

I understand that it would have been nice for someone to give some to you. I don't think it was a big problem the question was asked. But, if the answer is "no" then that should be respected. Not everyone is running around with tons of gold mats in a craft bag while simultaneously not caring about them because they aren't selling them. Some players rely on them for sales or just don't want to part with them because they are not easy to come by. And that's perfectly valid. "No" is a complete statement and all the explanation needed.

Getting free gold mats should be viewed as an act of generosity, not an expectation.