Anyone else tremendously frustrated with the "guildmate" requirement for the event?

boi_anachronism_ · July 2023

I mean seriously yeah i have some mates to do it with periodically but i cant get literally any by myself beyond the 2 writ ones and the main. That basically ruined the event for me. Me and my buds all have full time jobs and arent always able to be on at the same time. When we are it sucks away all the other time from other things we want to do.... like zero solo play.

freespirit · July 2023

I know I'm being pedantic but you can do a master writ from all seven crafts everyday and one daily crafting writ plus the ticket quest.

Not hugely better but nine instead of three.

boi_anachronism_ · July 2023

Great. You can get 9 to the unlimited that group players can... also you need multiple crafter toons to do this which many folks do not...

phaneub17_ESO · July 2023

Guildless since the game pre-released, not going to change just for the event. I'm sad I don't get anymore boxes for multiple characters, but it's not a total loss as they still get more sealed crafting writs to add to my stock.

DrScott59 · July 2023

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

also you need multiple crafter toons to do this which many folks do not...

No, you don't. I have logged on each day with my main crafter and done a Master writ from each discipline. That's 7 boxes right there, all from one toon, in about 10 minutes. (The real restriction here is having enough Master writs, materials, and crafting expertise / motif knowledge to complete the Master writs.) As a bonus, you get writ vouchers, too.

That same toon, or another, can then do any Daily crafting writ for an 8th box. And then there is the Daily event quest (gain cp, trade with guild traders, dig up treasure/antiquity) for the "special" box.

I think that's the 9 boxes that @freespirit indicated above.

I've also gotten several from pickpocketing and looting strongboxes. I haven't done any "group with guild" activities yet, but have gotten lots of boxes each day.

Carcamongus · July 2023

I've voiced my opposition to this requirement in other threads. People without guilds or for whom social interactions are difficult are left out. Even worse, this requirement will be added to endeavors, regardless of the negative feedback from players.

boi_anachronism_ · July 2023

DrScott59 wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

also you need multiple crafter toons to do this which many folks do not...

No, you don't. I have logged on each day with my main crafter and done a Master writ from each discipline. That's 7 boxes right there, all from one toon, in about 10 minutes. (The real restriction here is having enough Master writs, materials, and crafting expertise / motif knowledge to complete the Master writs.) As a bonus, you get writ vouchers, too.

That same toon, or another, can then do any Daily crafting writ for an 8th box. And then there is the Daily event quest (gain cp, trade with guild traders, dig up treasure/antiquity) for the "special" box.

I think that's the 9 boxes that @freespirit indicated above.

I've also gotten several from pickpocketing and looting strongboxes. I haven't done any "group with guild" activities yet, but have gotten lots of boxes each day.

Oh i thought he said you could do a master writ per discipline on each toon. Wooow thats even worse.and you must be quite lucky with pickpocketing and such because i have gotten zero. Out of atleast 100 pickpockets. None out of safeboxes either. In addition to being waay harder with a much lower drop rate. So yeah solo players punished. That was my point and it stands.

shadyjane62 · July 2023

Except for the one quest to get the tickets, I ignore this event entirely. Have only joined one guild ever here.

Left after 3 days and have never joined another.

Soarora · July 2023

I’m in guilds. I have friends in guilds. I’m still not going to group with them to do overland grind.

AnduinTryggva · July 2023

I also think the req to have guildmates be in one's group is entirely overdone.

I understand that they wanted to somehow limit the box spam but here they are too excluding. Far too excluding.

On day three I have not had a style sheet drop and that is a pretty bad result.

Is this the event to turn players away from events?

boi_anachronism_ · July 2023

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

I also think the req to have guildmates be in one's group is entirely overdone.

I understand that they wanted to somehow limit the box spam but here they are too excluding. Far too excluding.

On day three I have not had a style sheet drop and that is a pretty bad result.

Is this the event to turn players away from events?

Problem with this is particularly trader guilds form groups and do spam boxes. So it just leaves solo with a very limited amount. As many as a solo player can get in a day you can get in about 25 mins or of a world boss loop. If you happen to be on a ps5 with low load rates people have clocked 3x that.

boi_anachronism_ · July 2023

You may like the event- thats fine but it is undeniably worse then last year. Think about other events. Some you had a chance of picking up boxes simply from harvesting mats. Actually now that i think about it... how is that not "labor and hard work" from a lore perspective. Also why on earth would zenithar care if you were by yourself doing labor or not. Its silly lore wise too

Four_Fingers · July 2023

I don't get why they are suddenly being so stingy with digital items that are infinitely reproducible with negligible cost.

boi_anachronism_ · July 2023

If the goal is to encourage folks to group to do stuff and interact (which i enjoy because i do a lot of raids, dungeons ect) here is a very simple solution: chances of gold drops or rare ingredients are improved while grouped with a friend or guildmate. There. Done. @ZOS_Kevin

FayJolyn · July 2023

Yeah, absolutely.

While I've found some guildies willing to hunt for boxes with me, I much prefer to be solo most of the time. I've been saving up some boxes for the next day if my spoons are spend already. that way I don't feel pressured to farm boxes for that daily style page drop. I don't enjoy this extra requirement at all.

I've tried pickpocketing for boxes but so far have not been lucky, not a single drop yet.(gave up after a while though, felt like too much hassle)

spartaxoxo · July 2023

I don't understand why treasure chests are excluded from the legerdemain activities that reward parcels. Also, there should definitely be something event appropriate that you can do solo and reasonably farm in the same way as the guild activities. Something like harvesting mats or killing public dungeon and delve bosses.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · July 2023

I’ve got a guildie I can farm boxes with, but I still want to protest the requirement. I have to schedule my play time when said guildie is on instead of logging in when I want to, and then I feel obligated to stick around longer than I want to in case the stars don’t align in my schedule again before the event ends. It sucks out a lot of the fun!

Oblivion_Protocol · July 2023

I’ve got to be honest. I fail to see a problem here. There are other events where you can get all the boxes you want by yourself. It’s an MMO, not a single player game. Sometimes, you need to group with someone else to do an activity.

If you’re a hardcore completionist who absolutely needs every skin in the game, then just bite the bullet and join a guild. Every guild I’ve seen has been running events where they group up and do stuff. You can even leave when the event is done.

If the idea of being in a guild is abhorrent to you, even if it’s just to do quests and not talk to or interact with anyone outside of that, then maybe you should just accept that you’re going to miss some stuff?

As people have stated multiple times during Whitestrake’s Mayhem, every event is not tailored to every player. If this one isn’t specific to your play style, wait for one that is. It seems selfish to complain or tell ZoS to change the fundamental nature of an event because it doesn’t appeal to you and a handful of players.

Braffin · July 2023

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

I’ve got to be honest. I fail to see a problem here. There are other events where you can get all the boxes you want by yourself. It’s an MMO, not a single player game. Sometimes, you need to group with someone else to do an activity.

If you’re a hardcore completionist who absolutely needs every skin in the game, then just bite the bullet and join a guild. Every guild I’ve seen has been running events where they group up and do stuff. You can even leave when the event is done.

If the idea of being in a guild is abhorrent to you, even if it’s just to do quests and not talk to or interact with anyone outside of that, then maybe you should just accept that you’re going to miss some stuff?

As people have stated multiple times during Whitestrake’s Mayhem, every event is not tailored to every player. If this one isn’t specific to your play style, wait for one that is. It seems selfish to complain or tell ZoS to change the fundamental nature of an event because it doesn’t appeal to you and a handful of players.

Exactly this.

Me and my guildmates definitely aren't short on event boxes and it's a reason to visit some worldbosses we didn't kill in a long time.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I don't understand why treasure chests are excluded from the legerdemain activities that reward parcels. Also, there should definitely be something event appropriate that you can do solo and reasonably farm in the same way as the guild activities. Something like harvesting mats or killing public dungeon and delve bosses.

Are they excluded? Don't know for sure, because I don't farm them, but for the daily it's definitely possible to simply open any thieves trove or locked chest (the standard ones) to complete the quest, despite the questlog is asking specifically for treasure chests. Besides that I agree, that at least public dungeon bosses should be part of the event for more solo-oriented players.

spartaxoxo · July 2023

Braffin wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

I’ve got to be honest. I fail to see a problem here. There are other events where you can get all the boxes you want by yourself. It’s an MMO, not a single player game. Sometimes, you need to group with someone else to do an activity.

If you’re a hardcore completionist who absolutely needs every skin in the game, then just bite the bullet and join a guild. Every guild I’ve seen has been running events where they group up and do stuff. You can even leave when the event is done.

If the idea of being in a guild is abhorrent to you, even if it’s just to do quests and not talk to or interact with anyone outside of that, then maybe you should just accept that you’re going to miss some stuff?

As people have stated multiple times during Whitestrake’s Mayhem, every event is not tailored to every player. If this one isn’t specific to your play style, wait for one that is. It seems selfish to complain or tell ZoS to change the fundamental nature of an event because it doesn’t appeal to you and a handful of players.

Exactly this.

Me and my guildmates definitely aren't short on event boxes and it's a reason to visit some worldbosses we didn't kill in a long time.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I don't understand why treasure chests are excluded from the legerdemain activities that reward parcels. Also, there should definitely be something event appropriate that you can do solo and reasonably farm in the same way as the guild activities. Something like harvesting mats or killing public dungeon and delve bosses.

Are they excluded? Don't know for sure, because I don't farm them, but for the daily it's definitely possible to simply open any thieves trove or locked chest (the standard ones) to complete the quest, despite the questlog is asking specifically for treasure chests. Besides that I agree, that at least public dungeon bosses should be part of the event for more solo-oriented players.

Yeah. They are included in the daily quest, but they are excluded from the event itself. I don't think it makes much sense. I looked up what activities you could do solo and saw "legerdemain" on some site, so I thought treasure chests would be included based off that phrase and the daily quest. So, I farmed what was my go-to spot for treasure chest farming. I discovered they may have changed something about my favorite spot because chests weren't spawning the way I expected, and that they were not dropping parcels. So, I looked up on the official site this time around to double check my information. And it turns out only they were excluded.

Alternatively, if you prefer to earn your rewards through less-than-honest means, you may discover parcels scattered across Tamriel by pickpocketing citizens and looting strongboxes or thieves troves. Why not let others do all the hard work for you?

netch_a_sketch · July 2023

Nah, I like being forced to socialize every now and then, I've hung out with friends and had a good time the last couple of days when I otherwise might have not.

I guess it's like PvE-only players when Whitestrake's Mayhem comes around, you don't have to do it if it doesn't interest you. You're not really missing that much anyway.

markulrich1966 · July 2023

doing bosses, the daily quest rewards are more important to me than eventboxes.
So I do those dailies on 17 characters. As it would be ridiculous to join a guild group just to finish that specific boss, I don't participate in the event.
Just get my tickets for the costume fragment, then play as usual.

ArchangelIsraphel · July 2023

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

I’ve got to be honest. I fail to see a problem here. There are other events where you can get all the boxes you want by yourself. It’s an MMO, not a single player game. Sometimes, you need to group with someone else to do an activity.

If you’re a hardcore completionist who absolutely needs every skin in the game, then just bite the bullet and join a guild. Every guild I’ve seen has been running events where they group up and do stuff. You can even leave when the event is done.

If the idea of being in a guild is abhorrent to you, even if it’s just to do quests and not talk to or interact with anyone outside of that, then maybe you should just accept that you’re going to miss some stuff?

As people have stated multiple times during Whitestrake’s Mayhem, every event is not tailored to every player. If this one isn’t specific to your play style, wait for one that is. It seems selfish to complain or tell ZoS to change the fundamental nature of an event because it doesn’t appeal to you and a handful of players.

I'm more willing to group up for Whitestrake's with complete strangers and go siege in Cyro than I am to do this event. Mostly because of the boredom that ensues from this event. Whitestrake's is exciting group content (to me, anyway, because I enjoy Cyro) This is not. Most guilds want to sit and AFK harrow storms, dragons, or bosses until they pop, while I want to be out there doing something.

I wouldn't call this "group content" so much as "group afking", and I can't blame solo players for wishing they could get out there and take the initiative to do the event themselves rather than being tied to the necessity of remaining with a group of guild members who are afking. Its like being a dog on a leash, wanting to go for a walk, while your owner sits and stares at their phone for five hours.

It isn't fun, thus I've skipped it so far with the exception of playing with guild members who are of a similar mentality where they want to be up and moving around rather than afking.

Beilin_Balreis_Colcan · July 2023

The thieves troves certainly aren't giving event boxes very reliably: I got 2 event boxes from thieves troves 2 days ago, and today looted 4 troves (all in base game zones) and got no event boxes. Unfortunately, the event pages only say there's a chance to get event boxes from the troves, but give no probability value for that chance.

Azriael2 · July 2023

DrScott59 wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

also you need multiple crafter toons to do this which many folks do not...

No, you don't. I have logged on each day with my main crafter and done a Master writ from each discipline. That's 7 boxes right there, all from one toon, in about 10 minutes. (The real restriction here is having enough Master writs, materials, and crafting expertise / motif knowledge to complete the Master writs.) As a bonus, you get writ vouchers, too.

That same toon, or another, can then do any Daily crafting writ for an 8th box. And then there is the Daily event quest (gain cp, trade with guild traders, dig up treasure/antiquity) for the "special" box.

I think that's the 9 boxes that @freespirit indicated above.

I've also gotten several from pickpocketing and looting strongboxes. I haven't done any "group with guild" activities yet, but have gotten lots of boxes each day.

What means lots to you? Because in an hour I can make 60-65 boxes just because I have guildmate with me. Don't compare 15 boxes you can get for whole day to playing with guildmate.

And I do agree, this is ridiculous, finding anyone that wants to do what you want to do is already hard enough.

DragonRacer · July 2023

I feel some things about groups farming an absolute poop ton of event loot boxes by farming world bosses, etc yet my master writs were nerfed to seven allowed per day. I should feel so lucky to be permitted that much, I suppose.

I have nothing against said groups, more power to them. But I’m incredibly salty half of last year’s event got an absolute hammer to the skull while the other half is peachy-keen.

I’m going to not look forward to Anniversary Jubilee in the hope that the one last remaining event loot box spamfest won’t also receive a hammer to the skull because Zenithar forbid we enjoy nice things.

KlauthWarthog · July 2023

Yes, and with update 39, this idiotic restriction will be smeared all over the endeavors as well.

spartaxoxo · July 2023

DragonRacer wrote: »

I have nothing against said groups, more power to them. But I’m incredibly salty half of last year’s event got an absolute hammer to the skull while the other half is peachy-keen.

Group drops took a nerf as well. The world event cool down is quite noticeable and it feels like less guild members are into it this year as a result. People like the world events because they are more active and there's less worries some people won't get drops.

Azriael2 · July 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DragonRacer wrote: »

I have nothing against said groups, more power to them. But I’m incredibly salty half of last year’s event got an absolute hammer to the skull while the other half is peachy-keen.

Group drops took a nerf as well. The world event cool down is quite noticeable and it feels like less guild members are into it this year as a result. People like the world events because they are more active and there's less worries some people won't get drops.

Just world events, world bosses don't have this cooldown and they give same event box.

Sarannah · July 2023

Yes, I am frustrated with the guildrequirement. I am not yet ready to join or create a guild, and do not want to feel forced to.

AnduinTryggva · July 2023

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

I’ve got to be honest. I fail to see a problem here. There are other events where you can get all the boxes you want by yourself. It’s an MMO, not a single player game. Sometimes, you need to group with someone else to do an activity.

If you’re a hardcore completionist who absolutely needs every skin in the game, then just bite the bullet and join a guild. Every guild I’ve seen has been running events where they group up and do stuff. You can even leave when the event is done.

If the idea of being in a guild is abhorrent to you, even if it’s just to do quests and not talk to or interact with anyone outside of that, then maybe you should just accept that you’re going to miss some stuff?

As people have stated multiple times during Whitestrake’s Mayhem, every event is not tailored to every player. If this one isn’t specific to your play style, wait for one that is. It seems selfish to complain or tell ZoS to change the fundamental nature of an event because it doesn’t appeal to you and a handful of players.

The issue is not the req for being in a group with sb. It's the req to be in a group with a guildmate. Not all people are in a guild. Of course one could simply create a fake guild with some people for the event duration. But is this really useful?

They could just have put a req on being in a group during certain activities.