Useless skills that need a rework

Rampeal · July 2023

I can not speak for all classes, but I can speak for my main class I play which is warden. The skills that I find absolutely useless and need a rework are Lotus Flower, Nature's Grasp, Crystalized Shield, and Frozen Gate. These abilities are really subpar and a novelty at best. One of the few reasons to run them is for the passive buff they give for being slotted. I may be crazy, but there should be more to a skill than a passive buff slot.

Anyways this is just my opinion. What skills for your class need a rework? Leave a comment below please.

vsrs_au · July 2023

Inner Light, I use it only for the passive buff, since I don't do PvP.
[edit] Actually, I retract that, it doesn't really belong in this thread, since it's definitely worth slotting even though I don't actively use it.

Janni · July 2023

Rampeal wrote: »

I can not speak for all classes, but I can speak for my main class I play which is warden. The skills that I find absolutely useless and need a rework are Lotus Flower, Nature's Grasp, Crystalized Shield, and Frozen Gate. These abilities are really subpar and a novelty at best. One of the few reasons to run them is for the passive buff they give for being slotted. I may be crazy, but there should be more to a skill than a passive buff slot.

Anyways this is just my opinion. What skills for your class need a rework? Leave a comment below please.

I actually have used all of those skills extensively in PvP. Lotus flower is absolutely a must have on all of my builds. But I guess they all are pretty useless in pve though? Not too sure since I don't do much of that.

PrinceShroob · July 2023

Lotus Flower and its morphs are designed to provide healing for yourself and your group through light attack weaving. At their original duration of 20 seconds, I think it was a hard sell, but the 60-second duration on Lotus Blossom makes it an excellent tool for solo play or small group play--say, duoing the easier veteran pledges for keys. It's particularly useful when using companions since the skill will heal them and they benefit greatly from gradual healing over burst healing.

Crystallized Slab, a morph of Crystallized Shield, is used extensively by Warden tanks in Cloudrest due to several of Z'Maja's attacks being considered projectiles, making the large damage shield against projectiles very useful. Additionally, when I was learning veteran Maelstrom Arena, I found the skill helpful in round 5 since many of the enemies are ranged--the shield protects you and retaliates.

Amottica · July 2023

Janni wrote: »

Rampeal wrote: »

I can not speak for all classes, but I can speak for my main class I play which is warden. The skills that I find absolutely useless and need a rework are Lotus Flower, Nature's Grasp, Crystalized Shield, and Frozen Gate. These abilities are really subpar and a novelty at best. One of the few reasons to run them is for the passive buff they give for being slotted. I may be crazy, but there should be more to a skill than a passive buff slot.

Anyways this is just my opinion. What skills for your class need a rework? Leave a comment below please.

I actually have used all of those skills extensively in PvP. Lotus flower is absolutely a must have on all of my builds. But I guess they all are pretty useless in pve though? Not too sure since I don't do much of that.

This post brings to light a very valid point. In reality, each of us sees a very narrow aspect of the game which is based on our own interests. What is great for the way one person plays or their interests does not work for everyone. What one considers worthless or in needing of a rework may be a great skill for another player.

Janni · July 2023

Amottica wrote: »

Janni wrote: »

Rampeal wrote: »

I can not speak for all classes, but I can speak for my main class I play which is warden. The skills that I find absolutely useless and need a rework are Lotus Flower, Nature's Grasp, Crystalized Shield, and Frozen Gate. These abilities are really subpar and a novelty at best. One of the few reasons to run them is for the passive buff they give for being slotted. I may be crazy, but there should be more to a skill than a passive buff slot.

Anyways this is just my opinion. What skills for your class need a rework? Leave a comment below please.

I actually have used all of those skills extensively in PvP. Lotus flower is absolutely a must have on all of my builds. But I guess they all are pretty useless in pve though? Not too sure since I don't do much of that.

This post brings to light a very valid point. In reality, each of us sees a very narrow aspect of the game which is based on our own interests. What is great for the way one person plays or their interests does not work for everyone. What one considers worthless or in needing of a rework may be a great skill for another player.

Maybe? but then we also run the risk of one aspect of play where the skill is way too strong and then nerfs come in to fix it which make it once again useless in the other aspect. So maybe it really should just be the case that some skills are better suited for specific scenarios. I totally get what you mean but I think the devs have enough trouble as it is, the expectation that they could come up with balanced skills that work in all forms of content is just clearly beyond their capacity.

RevJJ · July 2023

Consuming Darkness.

I’ve played NB damage, healer, tank and pvp builds and I’ve never found a use for it. Potentially the most useless ultimate in the game.

Rampeal · July 2023

Well there a certainly valid points made here, but as for myself I have never seen these skills actively used in pvp or pve. Granted I don't do trials, but they just seem like forgotten skills. Out of all of them I have never found a use for Nature's Grasp or Frozen gate. These by far are the two most useless in my opinion. There are by far better heals and gap closers in the game.

Amottica · July 2023

Janni wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Janni wrote: »

Rampeal wrote: »

I can not speak for all classes, but I can speak for my main class I play which is warden. The skills that I find absolutely useless and need a rework are Lotus Flower, Nature's Grasp, Crystalized Shield, and Frozen Gate. These abilities are really subpar and a novelty at best. One of the few reasons to run them is for the passive buff they give for being slotted. I may be crazy, but there should be more to a skill than a passive buff slot.

Anyways this is just my opinion. What skills for your class need a rework? Leave a comment below please.

I actually have used all of those skills extensively in PvP. Lotus flower is absolutely a must have on all of my builds. But I guess they all are pretty useless in pve though? Not too sure since I don't do much of that.

This post brings to light a very valid point. In reality, each of us sees a very narrow aspect of the game which is based on our own interests. What is great for the way one person plays or their interests does not work for everyone. What one considers worthless or in needing of a rework may be a great skill for another player.

Maybe? but then we also run the risk of one aspect of play where the skill is way too strong and then nerfs come in to fix it which make it once again useless in the other aspect. So maybe it really should just be the case that some skills are better suited for specific scenarios. I totally get what you mean but I think the devs have enough trouble as it is, the expectation that they could come up with balanced skills that work in all forms of content is just clearly beyond their capacity.

Balance is a real issue and often contentious issue along with being a different topic. Not wanting to derail the thread, I kept to the discussion OP started which was that some skills need a rework because they are useless.

Janni · July 2023

Rampeal wrote: »

Well there a certainly valid points made here, but as for myself I have never seen these skills actively used in pvp or pve. Granted I don't do trials, but they just seem like forgotten skills. Out of all of them I have never found a use for Nature's Grasp or Frozen gate. These by far are the two most useless in my opinion. There are by far better heals and gap closers in the game.

Nature's grasp isn't really about the heal. It's something you use in small group-play when you are playing a much slower character than your allies. They spec into lots of speed and damage and you spec into healing and tankiness but with clever use of the skill you can borrow their mobility from them. Frozen gate sorta works the opposite way, you spec into mobility and leave escape tools for your team mates. Admitedly these aren't very useful outside of highly coordinated small groups but they are very powerful in those situations. Another use for frozen gate that can be used even when you are just zerg surfing is to throw it down near choke points, especially keep doors. People won't see the effect on the floor with all the chaos and they end up getting pulled in to you where they will quickly be cut apart since they a completely isolated from their allies and surrounded by enemies. Shimmering shield is a great way to shutdown ranged attacks while aslo gaining ultimate very quickly. The other morph is yet another source of damage and since damage source stacking is all the rage right now it puts it in the top contenders when fighting ranged opponents. Lotus blossum is just too good to pass up. It can be back-barred but still gives you that nice 10% crit on your front bar. It also procs your sustain passive from the the skill line which is how I manage to stay in the fight constantly even with like 15k max stats and 1100 regen.

Just to be clear, there are *definitely* some useless skills out there, but some are just not popular because they are quite niche.

In the spirit of the original post though, my money's on hidden blade. It seems like a mess of ideas thrown together which consume it's entire power budget but cumulatively is weaker than any alternative.

Aelorin · July 2023

Necromancer saying Hi!

Grave Grasp and it's morphs: Is there anybody that use these now that empower has been reworked?

FangOfTheTwoMoons · July 2023

RevJJ wrote: »

Consuming Darkness.

I’ve played NB damage, healer, tank and pvp builds and I’ve never found a use for it. Potentially the most useless ultimate in the game.

The Adept Rider of skills.

Rebirthment · July 2023

Rune Cage. Nobody really uses this even in PVP where the stun is largely telegraphed, and the defensive rune morph isn't all that useful.

Daedric Mines is incredibly niche for PVP and feels like an antique skill originally meant for early game when PVP was the norm.

The Power Surge morph feels near useless as well, ever since they had changed it in an attempt to give Sorc Healer a bit of flavor.

notyuu · July 2023

Magelight and Expert hunter, simply put they should just be made into toggles, while toggled on you have the stealth detection up 100% of the time but your skills cost X% more to cast

Ragnarok0130 · July 2023

Janni wrote: »

Rampeal wrote: »

Well there a certainly valid points made here, but as for myself I have never seen these skills actively used in pvp or pve. Granted I don't do trials, but they just seem like forgotten skills. Out of all of them I have never found a use for Nature's Grasp or Frozen gate. These by far are the two most useless in my opinion. There are by far better heals and gap closers in the game.

Nature's grasp isn't really about the heal..

It can be though so I think we're once again at that point of hyperfocusing on one's own niche within the game. I know warden healers who use it in vSS on tombs to great effect specifically for the combo of moving to the target quickly and the heal.

Arkew · July 2023

RevJJ wrote: »

Consuming Darkness.

I’ve played NB damage, healer, tank and pvp builds and I’ve never found a use for it. Potentially the most useless ultimate in the game.

the most useless yeah but he reached the meme tier , the number of pts and they never changed it.

DinoZavr · July 2023

i do agree with Ferret's master

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDxnAndKPUw

CameraBeardThePirate · July 2023

Aelorin wrote: »

Necromancer saying Hi!

Grave Grasp and it's morphs: Is there anybody that use these now that empower has been reworked?

No one ever used these because they're terrible abilities.

The areas pop up far too slow to actually CC anyone with hands. The Empowering Grasp morph is a neat idea that's been executed terribly. It's nigh impossible to hit your pets with the areas since rotating your camera and positioning yourself to hit the pets makes the pets move around more. Throw this ability in the trash and rework it.

TheDarkRuler · July 2023

Almost every skill in the Soul Magic skill tree could use a full rework.

ZOS_Icy · July 2023

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic.

Thank you for your understanding.

FoJul · July 2023

Definitely believe swallow soul, dark cloak, piercing mark, and impale need a rework. Can't use them in PvP or PvE

Anti_Virus · July 2023

Healing ritual and it’s morphs, This skill needs a rework imo

AndreNoir · July 2023

FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »

RevJJ wrote: »

Consuming Darkness.

I’ve played NB damage, healer, tank and pvp builds and I’ve never found a use for it. Potentially the most useless ultimate in the game.

The Adept Rider of skills.

Adept Rider is an ok set actually

Jierdanit · July 2023

Rebirthment wrote: »

Rune Cage. Nobody really uses this even in PVP where the stun is largely telegraphed, and the defensive rune morph isn't all that useful.

Daedric Mines is incredibly niche for PVP and feels like an antique skill originally meant for early game when PVP was the norm.

The Power Surge morph feels near useless as well, ever since they had changed it in an attempt to give Sorc Healer a bit of flavor.

I would add Encase to that list, dont think i have seen anyone actually seriously use that skill in years. A skill that does nothing but a soft cc is just really not worth slotting anymore atm when you have other skills that do similar things and have considerably more stuff on top.

birdik · July 2023

FoJul wrote: »

Definitely believe swallow soul, dark cloak, piercing mark, and impale need a rework. Can't use them in PvP or PvE

Duude ..

mmtaniac · July 2023

Sun Shield and morphs , Healing ritual and Morphs, Restoring Aura and morphs

FriedEggSandwich · July 2023

Rebirthment wrote: »

Rune Cage. Nobody really uses this even in PVP where the stun is largely telegraphed, and the defensive rune morph isn't all that useful.

Daedric Mines is incredibly niche for PVP and feels like an antique skill originally meant for early game when PVP was the norm.

The Power Surge morph feels near useless as well, ever since they had changed it in an attempt to give Sorc Healer a bit of flavor.

Defensive Rune used to be worth slotting on your overload bar in pvp, when that was a thing. It was useful to thwart gankers while mounted, because it just stays on you indefinitely until you take damage. It could also be used as a kind of ranged interrupt, for things like jesus beam, or to shed a gap-closer spammer while trying to streak away. When I had an overload bar I used it a lot. I would agree that it's not worth slotting in pvp now though, aside from some very niche situations. I still think Encase is more useless though.