Low pop - champion points system causing people not invest a year before they can play.

Zer04 · July 2023

I’ve had several friends abandon the game because the grind for cp is too much. It takes 1 year to get to cap.
Solution is to increase the champion point gain rate by x10. If it took 1 year in COD before you were at a level to compete what would happen. ?
This game is multiplayer, I don’t care if it takes new players a month to get to my cp level. Having empty servers is more of an issue.

Firstmep · July 2023

You dont need to reach the cap to be competitive.
Most of the power in the cp system comes from the slotable bonuses, and there are only 4 per tree.
And the cp gain curve is already accelerated at the low end.

Snamyap · July 2023

This is a pretty much unavoidable issue for aging MMO. Veteran players want some meaningful progression for their characters but this creates an ever increasing hill for new players to get up. Not sure how you can avoid that.
Early champion points already come at a faster rate btw, and ZOS is trying to bury us under exp scrolls through the daily rewards, and we seem to have an event with double exp like every month.

Twig_Garlicshine · July 2023

Capping Cp is meaningless and pointless.
4 slottables and a few passives.
It does not take a year to get to this point.

Anymore than that is at best for an alt role, or because the person is a completion junky.
At best.

Danikat · July 2023

If they think they need to be at the CP cap before they can be competitive then what they need is someone to tell them they've misunderstood how the system works and they don't need to worry about it. Maybe recommend where to prioritise the points they do have so they're not slowing themselves down.

Especially in PvP where the solution is to play in no-CP campaigns.

notyuu · July 2023

I can tell you that it takes considerbly more than 1 year to get to CP3600, but as the others have also stated, getting to the cap is moot given that 99% of the power from champ comes in the form of the slottables and you can get a full set of them by the time you reach ~500 maybe a little higher

plus again, as the others said, you can just do no-cp pvp instead

however if you're talking about PvE then it's more about gear and player skill/knowledge more than CP, after all, the only thing CP actually measures is how long somebody has played the game, not how good they are at it, case in point you can find a lot of players which are CP 1K+ which for lack of a kinder way to put it, suck, they do no dps, they fail at tanking, bad healing, and so on

Four_Fingers · July 2023

Anything above 1600 CP or so is useless unless swapping roles a lot.
The first several hundred CP go really fast in any event.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · July 2023

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Anything above 1600 CP or so is useless unless swapping roles a lot.
The first several hundred CP go really fast in any event.

Between 1500 - 1600 CP, you're character has maxed out every useful skill in the CP tree. After that you're just dumping extra CP into garbage skills. Even if you're building a niche build with swapable skills, you're still only looking at around 1800 CP used.

RicAlmighty · July 2023

With respect, your friends have no idea how CP works then. You can fill up your slottable skills at CP 500. There is zero need to "max out" CP, and thinking you do shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how it works. I'd suggest they take some time to learn how the system is designed.

Zyva · July 2023

^ agreed with others above, you do not need anywhere near max cp3600 to play. When they first announced the new CP, it was like 2400, then they changed it again and now its only maybe 1200/1600 for all remotely useful passives and your slottable.

The one exception to this is if, on PC, you use addons like jack-of-all trades, and want your green CP slottables to autoswap depending on your situation (fishing, thieving, deconing, etc). Then you will need a crap ton of cp in order to unlock all the useful green cp.I am at cp 2500 and still do not have all the green CPs unlocked, but my red and blue trees have like 300plus extra points just sitting there lmao

GooGa592 · July 2023

Zer04 wrote: »

I’ve had several friends abandon the game because the grind for cp is too much. It takes 1 year to get to cap.
Solution is to increase the champion point gain rate by x10. If it took 1 year in COD before you were at a level to compete what would happen. ?
This game is multiplayer, I don’t care if it takes new players a month to get to my cp level. Having empty servers is more of an issue.

What is the provision in your suggestion for those players that have grinded out 2500 CP using the old system? What do they get for having put in so much more time than the newer players would have to put into the effort?

Twig_Garlicshine · July 2023

GooGa592 wrote: »

Zer04 wrote: »

I’ve had several friends abandon the game because the grind for cp is too much. It takes 1 year to get to cap.
Solution is to increase the champion point gain rate by x10. If it took 1 year in COD before you were at a level to compete what would happen. ?
This game is multiplayer, I don’t care if it takes new players a month to get to my cp level. Having empty servers is more of an issue.

What is the provision in your suggestion for those players that have grinded out 2500 CP using the old system? What do they get for having put in so much more time than the newer players would have to put into the effort?

A Badge you can proudly wear, that says:
"You kids these days.When I was younger we did it uphill, both ways, while walking barefoot in the snow."

Or maybe a Title - "Grumpy Ol' Curmudgeon".

People that actively grind CP to cap make me giggle.

Mik195 · July 2023

I would think that not having a fully upgraded horse for 6 months would be more of an issue for Cyrodill.

Lapin_Logic · July 2023

Zer04 wrote: »

I’ve had several friends abandon the game because the grind for cp is too much. It takes 1 year to get to cap.
Solution is to increase the champion point gain rate by x10. If it took 1 year in COD before you were at a level to compete what would happen. ?
This game is multiplayer, I don’t care if it takes new players a month to get to my cp level. Having empty servers is more of an issue.

As someone 2100 CP deep and 36 toons, I can state that ZOS very often wipes my CP Alocations and I don’t even feel it until I accidentally end up in the cp system or armourer

FriedEggSandwich · July 2023

Zyva wrote: »

^ agreed with others above, you do not need anywhere near max cp3600 to play. When they first announced the new CP, it was like 2400, then they changed it again and now its only maybe 1200/1600 for all remotely useful passives and your slottable.

The one exception to this is if, on PC, you use addons like jack-of-all trades, and want your green CP slottables to autoswap depending on your situation (fishing, thieving, deconing, etc). Then you will need a crap ton of cp in order to unlock all the useful green cp.I am at cp 2500 and still do not have all the green CPs unlocked, but my red and blue trees have like 300plus extra points just sitting there lmao

Sounds like that addon is a hindrance. The base-game armorer will just remember your cp allocations, and spend them for you. Plus it remembers skill morphs, mundus, and whether you're vamp or werewolf.

Carcamongus · July 2023

It takes 1 year to reach cp3600....? Even assuming that's possible, is the person having any fun while doing that? We're talking about an average of nearly 10cps per day, every single day, and at higher levels, say cp2500, each point requires almost a million xp.

Also, no, you don't need to be cp3600 to play. I'm cp2525 and got hundreds of unspent points because I already got the stuff I wanted for my solo and tank builds. I've seen cp600-700's doing quite well in trials, while I was dismayed to see a cp2000 hitting an invulnerable boss (what's with so many people who keep attacking a target when the hp bar's white??).

Finally... let's not compare ESO to CoD. It's the same as apples to oranges.

SaffronCitrusflower · July 2023

A person can only use about 1600 CP, and that's only in the green tree. Anything over 1600 CP remain unused. And it really doesn't take very long to get 1200 CP, which is about all that are needed to fill out the blue and red CP trees.

Janni · July 2023

Honestly once you hit CP160 you can stop grinding. That's all you need to play effectively. 300 CP is required to be able to queue for all of the DLC vet dungeons. Probably some score pushing trials groups will require more but honestly by the time you can hang with them you'll have more than enough to meet their requirements anyway. As for PvP, the battlegrounds don't even use CP and in Cyrodiil there are enough ways to work around having a lower CP than anyone else that it almost never matters at all.

Uvi_AUT · July 2023

Zer04 wrote: »

I’ve had several friends abandon the game because the grind for cp is too much. It takes 1 year to get to cap.
Solution is to increase the champion point gain rate by x10. If it took 1 year in COD before you were at a level to compete what would happen. ?
This game is multiplayer, I don’t care if it takes new players a month to get to my cp level. Having empty servers is more of an issue.

If they would do that I would quit and never look at ESO again. Screw all those games where progression only comes from Gear. I hate that.

Plus, CP 160 is very fast. You can do every content in the game with CP160. Everything after that is just gravy. And for PvP there are special NonCP-Campaigns to play in.

Twohothardware · July 2023

With the current ESO population they need to shut down all the Campaigns but two and have one Champion enabled and one Champion disabled but with proc sets enabled like in Battlegrounds.

The only nonCP campaign we have now disables all proc sets which is the majority of sets and monster sets in the game and nobody wants to play that.

Zodiarkslayer · July 2023

Zer04 wrote: »

I’ve had several friends abandon the game because the grind for cp is too much. It takes 1 year to get to cap...

Yet another example of how utterly incompetent the game is in explaining itself. Especially the differences to other games should be highlighted at the start. Or at least when the horizontal progression begins.

MasterSpatula · July 2023

If everyone got to CP160 twice as fast, we'd have twice as many CP160s with no clue what they were doing because they never got the experience of really growing into their characters.