The Malabal Tor Questline. I hate it. I wish I could help the villain.
When you learn the backstory to the Hound, you realize who the real victim is. The Hound and the new Green Lady grew up in the same village. They were childhood friends and grew to love each other. But when she was chosen as the next Green Lady, her sense of Duty was stronger than her Love, and the Hound was betrayed, abandoned, devastated. Forced to let her go to be married to someone else. Everything he did, was out of pain and sorrow and a last desperate attempt to regain his other half.
And I killed him.
And they thanked me for it.
And the dialogue options forced me to congratulate the married "couple", as the Green Lady joked to me about the vigorous Honeymoon to follow.
The Malabal Tor Questline. I hate it. I wish I could help the villain.
When you learn the backstory to the Hound, you realize who the real victim is. The Hound and the new Green Lady grew up in the same village. They were childhood friends and grew to love each other. But when she was chosen as the next Green Lady, her sense of Duty was stronger than her Love, and the Hound was betrayed, abandoned, devastated. Forced to let her go to be married to someone else. Everything he did, was out of pain and sorrow and a last desperate attempt to regain his other half.
And I killed him.
And they thanked me for it.
And the dialogue options forced me to congratulate the married "couple", as the Green Lady joked to me about the vigorous Honeymoon to follow.
he murdered people out of sorrow?
Rebirthment wrote: »The Malabal Tor Questline. I hate it. I wish I could help the villain.
When you learn the backstory to the Hound, you realize who the real victim is. The Hound and the new Green Lady grew up in the same village. They were childhood friends and grew to love each other. But when she was chosen as the next Green Lady, her sense of Duty was stronger than her Love, and the Hound was betrayed, abandoned, devastated. Forced to let her go to be married to someone else. Everything he did, was out of pain and sorrow and a last desperate attempt to regain his other half.
And I killed him.
And they thanked me for it.
And the dialogue options forced me to congratulate the married "couple", as the Green Lady joked to me about the vigorous Honeymoon to follow.
he murdered people out of sorrow?
That's a bit of an Oversimplification. You should read the replies. Basically he did so by feelings of Sorrow, anger, and betrayal.
Rebirthment wrote: »The Malabal Tor Questline. I hate it. I wish I could help the villain.
When you learn the backstory to the Hound, you realize who the real victim is. The Hound and the new Green Lady grew up in the same village. They were childhood friends and grew to love each other. But when she was chosen as the next Green Lady, her sense of Duty was stronger than her Love, and the Hound was betrayed, abandoned, devastated. Forced to let her go to be married to someone else. Everything he did, was out of pain and sorrow and a last desperate attempt to regain his other half.
And I killed him.
And they thanked me for it.
And the dialogue options forced me to congratulate the married "couple", as the Green Lady joked to me about the vigorous Honeymoon to follow.
he murdered people out of sorrow?
That's a bit of an Oversimplification. You should read the replies. Basically he did so by feelings of Sorrow, anger, and betrayal.
We're not talking kids with a crush here, these are adult characters with a long History, and nothing about this story is concerning infringing on the Green Lady's rights? Frankly, it's not even the Hound that's solely violating her right to choose her future. It's the Green Pact taking away her right to choose. She "looks forward" to it mainly because she has no choice in the matter, it's an obligation to her people that must be obeyed.
Ulthorn: "They fear him, Gwaering! With Hircine's aid, we could …."
Gwaering: "The Daedric Prince? I won't hear any more. If you think I'd turn against my people, you're mad."
Ulthorn: "I don't care what it takes. Gwaering, I won't let this die. I'll do anything for you!"
Gwaering: "Anything? Then stop! My duty is to my people. I will protect them from any threat. Even you!"
Ulthorn: "Gwaering …."
Gwaering: "Take back the amulet, Ulthorn. Take it, and remember what we once were."
Ulthorn: "This isn't over. This is not the end!"
Rebirthment wrote: »The Malabal Tor Questline. I hate it. I wish I could help the villain.
When you learn the backstory to the Hound, you realize who the real victim is. The Hound and the new Green Lady grew up in the same village. They were childhood friends and grew to love each other. But when she was chosen as the next Green Lady, her sense of Duty was stronger than her Love, and the Hound was betrayed, abandoned, devastated. Forced to let her go to be married to someone else. Everything he did, was out of pain and sorrow and a last desperate attempt to regain his other half.
And I killed him.
And they thanked me for it.
And the dialogue options forced me to congratulate the married "couple", as the Green Lady joked to me about the vigorous Honeymoon to follow.
he murdered people out of sorrow?
That's a bit of an Oversimplification. You should read the replies. Basically he did so by feelings of Sorrow, anger, and betrayal.
Going off all the agrees to the opposition to my opinion I know I pretty much stand alone in my interpretation, and that's fine. I've always been a Devil's Advocate. Comes from a long history of feeling victimized for misunderstandings. I know how it feels personally, which is why I sympathize with the character.
spartaxoxo wrote: »We're not talking kids with a crush here, these are adult characters with a long History, and nothing about this story is concerning infringing on the Green Lady's rights? Frankly, it's not even the Hound that's solely violating her right to choose her future. It's the Green Pact taking away her right to choose. She "looks forward" to it mainly because she has no choice in the matter, it's an obligation to her people that must be obeyed.
??????? I understand having sympathy for the Hound, but how is that story NOT a massive infringement on her rights?
edit:Ulthorn: "They fear him, Gwaering! With Hircine's aid, we could …."
Gwaering: "The Daedric Prince? I won't hear any more. If you think I'd turn against my people, you're mad."
Ulthorn: "I don't care what it takes. Gwaering, I won't let this die. I'll do anything for you!"
Gwaering: "Anything? Then stop! My duty is to my people. I will protect them from any threat. Even you!"
Ulthorn: "Gwaering …."
Gwaering: "Take back the amulet, Ulthorn. Take it, and remember what we once were."
Ulthorn: "This isn't over. This is not the end!"
Rebirthment wrote: »Rebirthment wrote: »The Malabal Tor Questline. I hate it. I wish I could help the villain.
When you learn the backstory to the Hound, you realize who the real victim is. The Hound and the new Green Lady grew up in the same village. They were childhood friends and grew to love each other. But when she was chosen as the next Green Lady, her sense of Duty was stronger than her Love, and the Hound was betrayed, abandoned, devastated. Forced to let her go to be married to someone else. Everything he did, was out of pain and sorrow and a last desperate attempt to regain his other half.
And I killed him.
And they thanked me for it.
And the dialogue options forced me to congratulate the married "couple", as the Green Lady joked to me about the vigorous Honeymoon to follow.
he murdered people out of sorrow?
That's a bit of an Oversimplification. You should read the replies. Basically he did so by feelings of Sorrow, anger, and betrayal.
Going off all the agrees to the opposition to my opinion I know I pretty much stand alone in my interpretation, and that's fine. I've always been a Devil's Advocate. Comes from a long history of feeling victimized for misunderstandings. I know how it feels personally, which is why I sympathize with the character.spartaxoxo wrote: »We're not talking kids with a crush here, these are adult characters with a long History, and nothing about this story is concerning infringing on the Green Lady's rights? Frankly, it's not even the Hound that's solely violating her right to choose her future. It's the Green Pact taking away her right to choose. She "looks forward" to it mainly because she has no choice in the matter, it's an obligation to her people that must be obeyed.
??????? I understand having sympathy for the Hound, but how is that story NOT a massive infringement on her rights?
edit:Ulthorn: "They fear him, Gwaering! With Hircine's aid, we could …."
Gwaering: "The Daedric Prince? I won't hear any more. If you think I'd turn against my people, you're mad."
Ulthorn: "I don't care what it takes. Gwaering, I won't let this die. I'll do anything for you!"
Gwaering: "Anything? Then stop! My duty is to my people. I will protect them from any threat. Even you!"
Ulthorn: "Gwaering …."
Gwaering: "Take back the amulet, Ulthorn. Take it, and remember what we once were."
Ulthorn: "This isn't over. This is not the end!"
Yup. This is why as much as i pity Ulthorn, him calling for Hircine's aid and refusal to accept her choice is what ultimately caused his downfall.
Rebirthment wrote: »Rebirthment wrote: »The Malabal Tor Questline. I hate it. I wish I could help the villain.
When you learn the backstory to the Hound, you realize who the real victim is. The Hound and the new Green Lady grew up in the same village. They were childhood friends and grew to love each other. But when she was chosen as the next Green Lady, her sense of Duty was stronger than her Love, and the Hound was betrayed, abandoned, devastated. Forced to let her go to be married to someone else. Everything he did, was out of pain and sorrow and a last desperate attempt to regain his other half.
And I killed him.
And they thanked me for it.
And the dialogue options forced me to congratulate the married "couple", as the Green Lady joked to me about the vigorous Honeymoon to follow.
he murdered people out of sorrow?
That's a bit of an Oversimplification. You should read the replies. Basically he did so by feelings of Sorrow, anger, and betrayal.
Going off all the agrees to the opposition to my opinion I know I pretty much stand alone in my interpretation, and that's fine. I've always been a Devil's Advocate. Comes from a long history of feeling victimized for misunderstandings. I know how it feels personally, which is why I sympathize with the character.spartaxoxo wrote: »We're not talking kids with a crush here, these are adult characters with a long History, and nothing about this story is concerning infringing on the Green Lady's rights? Frankly, it's not even the Hound that's solely violating her right to choose her future. It's the Green Pact taking away her right to choose. She "looks forward" to it mainly because she has no choice in the matter, it's an obligation to her people that must be obeyed.
??????? I understand having sympathy for the Hound, but how is that story NOT a massive infringement on her rights?
edit:Ulthorn: "They fear him, Gwaering! With Hircine's aid, we could …."
Gwaering: "The Daedric Prince? I won't hear any more. If you think I'd turn against my people, you're mad."
Ulthorn: "I don't care what it takes. Gwaering, I won't let this die. I'll do anything for you!"
Gwaering: "Anything? Then stop! My duty is to my people. I will protect them from any threat. Even you!"
Ulthorn: "Gwaering …."
Gwaering: "Take back the amulet, Ulthorn. Take it, and remember what we once were."
Ulthorn: "This isn't over. This is not the end!"
Yup. This is why as much as i pity Ulthorn, him calling for Hircine's aid and refusal to accept her choice is what ultimately caused his downfall.
Guess I'm just a bleeding heart for those who were wronged, and fell down a dark path.
Rebirthment wrote: »Rebirthment wrote: »The Malabal Tor Questline. I hate it. I wish I could help the villain.
When you learn the backstory to the Hound, you realize who the real victim is. The Hound and the new Green Lady grew up in the same village. They were childhood friends and grew to love each other. But when she was chosen as the next Green Lady, her sense of Duty was stronger than her Love, and the Hound was betrayed, abandoned, devastated. Forced to let her go to be married to someone else. Everything he did, was out of pain and sorrow and a last desperate attempt to regain his other half.
And I killed him.
And they thanked me for it.
And the dialogue options forced me to congratulate the married "couple", as the Green Lady joked to me about the vigorous Honeymoon to follow.
he murdered people out of sorrow?
That's a bit of an Oversimplification. You should read the replies. Basically he did so by feelings of Sorrow, anger, and betrayal.
Going off all the agrees to the opposition to my opinion I know I pretty much stand alone in my interpretation, and that's fine. I've always been a Devil's Advocate. Comes from a long history of feeling victimized for misunderstandings. I know how it feels personally, which is why I sympathize with the character.spartaxoxo wrote: »We're not talking kids with a crush here, these are adult characters with a long History, and nothing about this story is concerning infringing on the Green Lady's rights? Frankly, it's not even the Hound that's solely violating her right to choose her future. It's the Green Pact taking away her right to choose. She "looks forward" to it mainly because she has no choice in the matter, it's an obligation to her people that must be obeyed.
??????? I understand having sympathy for the Hound, but how is that story NOT a massive infringement on her rights?
edit:Ulthorn: "They fear him, Gwaering! With Hircine's aid, we could …."
Gwaering: "The Daedric Prince? I won't hear any more. If you think I'd turn against my people, you're mad."
Ulthorn: "I don't care what it takes. Gwaering, I won't let this die. I'll do anything for you!"
Gwaering: "Anything? Then stop! My duty is to my people. I will protect them from any threat. Even you!"
Ulthorn: "Gwaering …."
Gwaering: "Take back the amulet, Ulthorn. Take it, and remember what we once were."
Ulthorn: "This isn't over. This is not the end!"
Yup. This is why as much as i pity Ulthorn, him calling for Hircine's aid and refusal to accept her choice is what ultimately caused his downfall.
Guess I'm just a bleeding heart for those who were wronged, and fell down a dark path.
he chose that dark path.
Rebirthment wrote: »Rebirthment wrote: »The Malabal Tor Questline. I hate it. I wish I could help the villain.
When you learn the backstory to the Hound, you realize who the real victim is. The Hound and the new Green Lady grew up in the same village. They were childhood friends and grew to love each other. But when she was chosen as the next Green Lady, her sense of Duty was stronger than her Love, and the Hound was betrayed, abandoned, devastated. Forced to let her go to be married to someone else. Everything he did, was out of pain and sorrow and a last desperate attempt to regain his other half.
And I killed him.
And they thanked me for it.
And the dialogue options forced me to congratulate the married "couple", as the Green Lady joked to me about the vigorous Honeymoon to follow.
he murdered people out of sorrow?
That's a bit of an Oversimplification. You should read the replies. Basically he did so by feelings of Sorrow, anger, and betrayal.
Going off all the agrees to the opposition to my opinion I know I pretty much stand alone in my interpretation, and that's fine. I've always been a Devil's Advocate. Comes from a long history of feeling victimized for misunderstandings. I know how it feels personally, which is why I sympathize with the character.spartaxoxo wrote: »We're not talking kids with a crush here, these are adult characters with a long History, and nothing about this story is concerning infringing on the Green Lady's rights? Frankly, it's not even the Hound that's solely violating her right to choose her future. It's the Green Pact taking away her right to choose. She "looks forward" to it mainly because she has no choice in the matter, it's an obligation to her people that must be obeyed.
??????? I understand having sympathy for the Hound, but how is that story NOT a massive infringement on her rights?
edit:Ulthorn: "They fear him, Gwaering! With Hircine's aid, we could …."
Gwaering: "The Daedric Prince? I won't hear any more. If you think I'd turn against my people, you're mad."
Ulthorn: "I don't care what it takes. Gwaering, I won't let this die. I'll do anything for you!"
Gwaering: "Anything? Then stop! My duty is to my people. I will protect them from any threat. Even you!"
Ulthorn: "Gwaering …."
Gwaering: "Take back the amulet, Ulthorn. Take it, and remember what we once were."
Ulthorn: "This isn't over. This is not the end!"
Yup. This is why as much as i pity Ulthorn, him calling for Hircine's aid and refusal to accept her choice is what ultimately caused his downfall.
Guess I'm just a bleeding heart for those who were wronged, and fell down a dark path.
he chose that dark path.
Rishikesa108 wrote: »
3) The very last phase of veteran Fang Lair hard mode, when ghosts come from everywhere and you have to dance between them to avoid contact
Rebirthment wrote: »Rebirthment wrote: »The Malabal Tor Questline. I hate it. I wish I could help the villain.
When you learn the backstory to the Hound, you realize who the real victim is. The Hound and the new Green Lady grew up in the same village. They were childhood friends and grew to love each other. But when she was chosen as the next Green Lady, her sense of Duty was stronger than her Love, and the Hound was betrayed, abandoned, devastated. Forced to let her go to be married to someone else. Everything he did, was out of pain and sorrow and a last desperate attempt to regain his other half.
And I killed him.
And they thanked me for it.
And the dialogue options forced me to congratulate the married "couple", as the Green Lady joked to me about the vigorous Honeymoon to follow.
he murdered people out of sorrow?
That's a bit of an Oversimplification. You should read the replies. Basically he did so by feelings of Sorrow, anger, and betrayal.
Going off all the agrees to the opposition to my opinion I know I pretty much stand alone in my interpretation, and that's fine. I've always been a Devil's Advocate. Comes from a long history of feeling victimized for misunderstandings. I know how it feels personally, which is why I sympathize with the character.spartaxoxo wrote: »We're not talking kids with a crush here, these are adult characters with a long History, and nothing about this story is concerning infringing on the Green Lady's rights? Frankly, it's not even the Hound that's solely violating her right to choose her future. It's the Green Pact taking away her right to choose. She "looks forward" to it mainly because she has no choice in the matter, it's an obligation to her people that must be obeyed.
??????? I understand having sympathy for the Hound, but how is that story NOT a massive infringement on her rights?
edit:Ulthorn: "They fear him, Gwaering! With Hircine's aid, we could …."
Gwaering: "The Daedric Prince? I won't hear any more. If you think I'd turn against my people, you're mad."
Ulthorn: "I don't care what it takes. Gwaering, I won't let this die. I'll do anything for you!"
Gwaering: "Anything? Then stop! My duty is to my people. I will protect them from any threat. Even you!"
Ulthorn: "Gwaering …."
Gwaering: "Take back the amulet, Ulthorn. Take it, and remember what we once were."
Ulthorn: "This isn't over. This is not the end!"
Yup. This is why as much as i pity Ulthorn, him calling for Hircine's aid and refusal to accept her choice is what ultimately caused his downfall.
Guess I'm just a bleeding heart for those who were wronged, and fell down a dark path.
he chose that dark path.
Considering the variables influencing his emotions. Agree to disagree.
Rebirthment wrote: »Rebirthment wrote: »The Malabal Tor Questline. I hate it. I wish I could help the villain.
When you learn the backstory to the Hound, you realize who the real victim is. The Hound and the new Green Lady grew up in the same village. They were childhood friends and grew to love each other. But when she was chosen as the next Green Lady, her sense of Duty was stronger than her Love, and the Hound was betrayed, abandoned, devastated. Forced to let her go to be married to someone else. Everything he did, was out of pain and sorrow and a last desperate attempt to regain his other half.
And I killed him.
And they thanked me for it.
And the dialogue options forced me to congratulate the married "couple", as the Green Lady joked to me about the vigorous Honeymoon to follow.
he murdered people out of sorrow?
That's a bit of an Oversimplification. You should read the replies. Basically he did so by feelings of Sorrow, anger, and betrayal.
Going off all the agrees to the opposition to my opinion I know I pretty much stand alone in my interpretation, and that's fine. I've always been a Devil's Advocate. Comes from a long history of feeling victimized for misunderstandings. I know how it feels personally, which is why I sympathize with the character.spartaxoxo wrote: »We're not talking kids with a crush here, these are adult characters with a long History, and nothing about this story is concerning infringing on the Green Lady's rights? Frankly, it's not even the Hound that's solely violating her right to choose her future. It's the Green Pact taking away her right to choose. She "looks forward" to it mainly because she has no choice in the matter, it's an obligation to her people that must be obeyed.
??????? I understand having sympathy for the Hound, but how is that story NOT a massive infringement on her rights?
edit:Ulthorn: "They fear him, Gwaering! With Hircine's aid, we could …."
Gwaering: "The Daedric Prince? I won't hear any more. If you think I'd turn against my people, you're mad."
Ulthorn: "I don't care what it takes. Gwaering, I won't let this die. I'll do anything for you!"
Gwaering: "Anything? Then stop! My duty is to my people. I will protect them from any threat. Even you!"
Ulthorn: "Gwaering …."
Gwaering: "Take back the amulet, Ulthorn. Take it, and remember what we once were."
Ulthorn: "This isn't over. This is not the end!"
Yup. This is why as much as i pity Ulthorn, him calling for Hircine's aid and refusal to accept her choice is what ultimately caused his downfall.
Guess I'm just a bleeding heart for those who were wronged, and fell down a dark path.
he chose that dark path.
Considering the variables influencing his emotions. Agree to disagree.
if someone does something influenced by emotions like anger they still chose to do that. if Hircine possessed the Hound and literally made him do evil it wouldn't be his choice, but that didn't happen so despite emotions he still chose evil. an emotion doesn't make a choice not someone's choice