One step in the right direction, question is if it really helps on the stacking/exploiting...

You ever notice the patch notes don't tell you specific details.

Like "reduced mail cod" by.. um how much?
Oh "significant" yeah thanx.. my interpretation might be different from whoever wrote it.
Not that i care about cod, the prices of cod were silly, but this is just another example of many things in the previous and to-date patch notes that keep getting listed like this, Vague.. and discouraging, like the person writing the notes has no idea if it was actually change and by how much.

These kind of vague patch notes are pretty standard for a F2P..
Pretty lazy for a Subscription game, like bare minimum, unless they don't give patch notes at all.. then F2P will be a sure thing.

I do hope ZOS get better at giving details with patch notes, because skill balances will need details, not just "changed "X" skill of class "X" significantly"

Is it too much to ask for a couple more words in each update that involves tweaking things in values?

Example1:

"Mail •Significantly reduced the cost of sending C.O.D. mail.

Example2:

"Mail •Reduced the cost of sending C.O.D. mail from 10% down to 4%.

I doubt this will be enough to fix Vampire PvP. What I don't get is that within 7 days of people PvPing it was obvious what didn't work and 30 days later only an actual exploit of mass stacking Vampire Bat Swarm is fixed. This should have been fixed the day after it was pointed out and the other balance issues should have been addressed on the next fix.

Baby steps people, baby steps.

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

Now DK standard, Bash and Bolt Scape and this game can be a good game.

Bolt Escape just needs some mechanic refiing to prevent exploiting. As a battle move it's perfect the way it is.

Bash (with shield) does too much damage, yeah, but hopefully it doesn't become useless after the changes.

DK Standard... I don't understand what the issue is, it's the easiest ultimate to counter that I can think of. Don't stand in the giant AoE circle of death. Did they talons you? Then dodge roll out, one dodge roll will take you out of the circle if you went the right direction. Did you get stunned inside it? Then stun breaker and walk or dodge out. The skill is fine, learn to counter it. If you had no stamina when you were hit with it, tough luck, that's your fault and you need to learn better resource management. A DK is easy enough to spot, you should always expect them to banner since the other ultimates are pretty lame.

RaZaddha wrote: »

I just wish people learn to use Rapid Maneuver and Purge

Milky wrote: »

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

Now DK standard, Bash and Bolt Scape and this game can be a good game.

Bolt Escape just needs some mechanic refiing to prevent exploiting. As a battle move it's perfect the way it is.

Bash (with shield) does too much damage, yeah, but hopefully it doesn't become useless after the changes.

DK Standard... I don't understand what the issue is, it's the easiest ultimate to counter that I can think of. Don't stand in the giant AoE circle of death. Did they talons you? Then dodge roll out, one dodge roll will take you out of the circle if you went the right direction. Did you get stunned inside it? Then stun breaker and walk or dodge out. The skill is fine, learn to counter it. If you had no stamina when you were hit with it, tough luck, that's your fault and you need to learn better resource management. A DK is easy enough to spot, you should always expect them to banner since the other ultimates are pretty lame.

The problem with standard is talons spam and ultimate cost reduction, also it was hitting more than 6 targets. I just wished more people used Rapid Maneuver or Purge.

Yes well if 30 people want to stand in a red AoE circle they should take damage for being idiots. There is no issue with DK standard and talons spam, as stated, you can dodge roll out of it in one dodge. If they talons you again, you're outside of the field so it's a non-issue.

It sounds like your problem is actually with talons, and not with the DK standard.

Sorcerer can still spam the Vampire AoE ultimate.

With the new patch sorcerer can reduce the Ultimate Bat Swarm down to under 100.

Lets see how this will look like in pvp, at least they cant get it down to 4 or even 0 like before.

the Ultimate ability could be reduced to 0 ultimate costs. This was broken.

mist form must not disbable the healthbar and alliance tag of the user for enemy alliances.

Zargorius wrote: »

Small step towards the balance, finally the cheating vampires have been reigned in, very good change indeed - and the vampire (cheater) tears taste so sweet!

Absolutely. I did some PvP last night, and it actually felt balanced. Playing in Auriel's bow, there was a huge and prolonged battle for Faregyl, with all three alliances vying back and forth for the keep. it. was. AWESOME! No one dominated that battlefield, I didn't see that stupid bat swarm ability spammed like crazy, and there were smart players on all sides playing strategically (in addition to stupid ones that were just meat shields). This is the chaos I wanted out of a huge war with dozens of players on each side. The EP took the keep at one point and did a great job defending it, but the AD and DC wore down the defenses. Teams would entrench themselves in the towers by resources, so even if you took the resource there would be a dozen of them still there to take it right back.

The tweaks they introduced made the game fun again, I hope it stays this way. I had to tear myself away from the game so I would get enough sleep for work today. I don't know if it's perfectly balanced, or even if such a thing exists, but the arduous battle I fought in last night, where ground was taken inches at a time and all three alliances were fighting for those inches, is exactly what I think this experience should be like.

RaZaddha wrote: »

I saw a vampire jump into a zerg spam bat swarm and instantly get killed.

Milky wrote: »

RaZaddha wrote: »

I just wish people learn to use Rapid Maneuver and Purge

Milky wrote: »

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

Now DK standard, Bash and Bolt Scape and this game can be a good game.

Bolt Escape just needs some mechanic refiing to prevent exploiting. As a battle move it's perfect the way it is.

Bash (with shield) does too much damage, yeah, but hopefully it doesn't become useless after the changes.

DK Standard... I don't understand what the issue is, it's the easiest ultimate to counter that I can think of. Don't stand in the giant AoE circle of death. Did they talons you? Then dodge roll out, one dodge roll will take you out of the circle if you went the right direction. Did you get stunned inside it? Then stun breaker and walk or dodge out. The skill is fine, learn to counter it. If you had no stamina when you were hit with it, tough luck, that's your fault and you need to learn better resource management. A DK is easy enough to spot, you should always expect them to banner since the other ultimates are pretty lame.

The problem with standard is talons spam and ultimate cost reduction, also it was hitting more than 6 targets. I just wished more people used Rapid Maneuver or Purge.

Yes well if 30 people want to stand in a red AoE circle they should take damage for being idiots. There is no issue with DK standard and talons spam, as stated, you can dodge roll out of it in one dodge. If they talons you again, you're outside of the field so it's a non-issue.

It sounds like your problem is actually with talons, and not with the DK standard.

Yes, it's talons during group fights, they spam more talons than I can usually dodge, and some times they even put a CC down on you so you have also to stun break, I have never seen people use purge or rapid maneuver against it, so if I try to counter the talons with rapid maneuver and he turns to me or I get CC'd I'm dead, if i use cleansing ritual some people are dumb enough not to use purify or it ends up being a spam talon-cleanse war. It's a l2p issue generally, but it's still a rather cheap tactic and nowhere near what batswarm was.

If they added immobilize immunity after dodge rolling I feel it would solve a lot of the issues.

I already sacrifice a lot of stamina to stun breaker, and I get immunity for a time. But I get nothing for dodge rolling, I can be immobilized again immediately.