ESO+ Auction house

SimonThesis · July 2023

This idea would kill trading guilds and the livelihoods of many people able to buy things cheaply at one place and sell it for a profit somewhere else. If you want to find something use the TTC website.

Also its really not that hard to join a trading guild, you are playing an MMO after all. You can sell stuff and never talk to anyone if you didnt want to. I would say tho guilds are great opportunities to make friends and a place learn to do new things in the game.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · July 2023

kargen27 wrote: »

thorwyn wrote: »

It has been said a million times: a central AH allows controlling the narket and dictating the prices by pressing F5 (and basically by using a bit or macro to do all the work). We have been there before in other games. The annoyance of travvelling around is the only way to at least make it a little more tedious for those who are playung the market monopoly game.

There is no market monopoly game. With over 200 trade locations all with changing inventory players, even a good size group working together, can't monopolize the market.

This^^^. It is virtually and logistically impossible to corner the market on an item with our current trader system.

Let's use Resin as an example:
To corner the market on Resin, you would have to visit ALL 220+ guild traders in Tamriel. Considering travel time, searching inventory and purchasing, I will be generous and say you could visit 20 +/- traders an hour. That's 10+ hrs just to buy all the Resin available. (If no one posts new listings after you visit).

So, now you spent a full day buying ALL the resin available, you only have 5 traders to sell it in. And after 7 days the traders flip anyway and introduce new listings with Resins you don't own, so it is all moot.

AH has all items in one place. This DOES make it possible and very easy to monopolize on an item.

Just my 2 drakes, but our current system is just fine, and as has been said for 10yrs now by the devs, the Guild Trader system is here to stay.
Huzzah!

kargen27 · July 2023

karthrag_inak wrote: »

The materials market has become absurd - 200-300 gold per unit for refined platinum ounce? There are 2 issues, at least, with how the market currently is :

a) it's too easy to visit every merchant and purchase all "low-priced" materials - khajiit routinely visits all merchants, it is not difficult to do solo, let alone with "a good size group".

It would take most of a day to visit every trader in the game. That aside just visiting isn't enough. You need to camp each and every trader if you want a monopoly.

Tandor · July 2023

SimonThesis wrote: »

This idea would kill trading guilds and the livelihoods of many people able to buy things cheaply at one place and sell it for a profit somewhere else. If you want to find something use the TTC website.

Also its really not that hard to join a trading guild, you are playing an MMO after all. You could even go to guild finder send in a blank application to guilds, someone will accept, you can sell stuff and never talk to anyone if you didnt want to. I would say tho guilds are great opportunities to make friends and a place learn to do new things in the game.

Guilds are really only good for traders with relatively large amounts of relatively high level items to sell on a regular basis. That leaves a whole mass of players out there for whom the trading system is useless as sellers, and as they don't get stacks of gold from selling they can't afford to buy stuff either. It's a very restricted trading system, and those who claim that it functions well are almost certainly PC players whose trading system is only rendered viable by reliance on add-ons that are denied to the other platform users.

kargen27 · July 2023

_Zathras_ wrote: »

thorwyn wrote: »

It has been said a million times: a central AH allows controlling the narket and dictating the prices by pressing F5 (and basically by using a bit or macro to do all the work). We have been there before in other games. The annoyance of travvelling around is the only way to at least make it a little more tedious for those who are playung the market monopoly game.

It has also been said a million times that fallacious AH statements like these only work in forum discussions, not reality.

There are already flippers. It is super easy to manipulate the market with the current 3rd party addons as well. The truly dedicated guilds, and those of the top wealth in the player community, make their fortunes by making ESO economics their passion.

What 3rd party add-on? If you are thinking TTC it isn't near as affective as you might think. It does not keep current data and many of the bargains are long gone before they ever get posted.
Yes some players do treat trading as an end game activity devoting all kinds of game time to the activity. They get rewarded for their expertise and time spent. Much like how players that dedicate a lot of time learning trials can eventually be rewarded with completing a trifecta run.

The easy answer to high material prices is to do the daily crafting, finish surveys and from time to time run a loop farming materials.

_Zathras_ · July 2023

Taggund wrote: »

I went back to EQ when they had the 20th anniversary. It's current system is better than it was originally. There were still the individual traders, but you have a central bazaar system that includes all traders, and you could choose to go to the trader to buy or buy and have the item mailed to you for a fee. This is why I believe they could change ESO keeping an aspect of current separate guild traders, but still improve it with a central bazaar system. Current system is just built to be an inefficient and cumbersome system.

Interesting. Sounds like a portable solution to make the current system more user friendly, while still maintaining the social/economic integrity of the guilds.

GooGa592 · July 2023

Please no auction house. Inflation is already off the charts. A global auction house will just make it worse.

Ingenon · July 2023

Tandor wrote: »

Guilds are really only good for traders with relatively large amounts of relatively high level items to sell on a regular basis. That leaves a whole mass of players out there for whom the trading system is useless as sellers, and as they don't get stacks of gold from selling they can't afford to buy stuff either. It's a very restricted trading system, and those who claim that it functions well are almost certainly PC players whose trading system is only rendered viable by reliance on add-ons that are denied to the other platform users.

I disagree. I play only on PS/NA. I am a member of a guild that almost always has a trader and does not charge a weekly fee to be a guild member. When the RNG blesses me with a valuable item, I sell it on that guild trader. Otherwise, I fill the 30 slots with stuff that drops from playing the game, like recipes from doing crafting writs, zone armor/weapons/jewelry from doing dailies, and whatever I find in chests while my characters are out and about.

It annoys me a bit that PC players have add-ons that make trading easier that what I deal with on console, but overall, I'm OK with the ESO setup for trading.

XSTRONG · July 2023

Delete all in game gold on every server then increase the earned in game gold massively for a month.

Will never happen i know but imagine the grind and opportunities for new Gold zinks in game.

merpins · July 2023

1. Paywalling an auction house is not a good look.
2. Doing an auction house would kill flipping. Flipping isn't a bad thing unless someone corners the market. We should be cracking down on people that corner the market and not the practice of flipping.
3. This would kill any reason to be in a guild for a majority of people that play this game.

ZoS has made it clear that they have no intention on implementing an auction house, and sure other games have one, but that doesn't mean every game needs to have one. Maplestory for example switched to an auction house system in 2014, and players were very upset until they released a hardcore server a year later that had no trading at all.

thorwyn · July 2023

There is no market monopoly game. With over 200 trade locations all with changing inventory players, even a good size group working together, can't monopolize the market.

I know, that was badly worded by me. What I was trying to say is the flipping game. Monpoly is a common narrative amongst the pro-AH folks.

RicAlmighty · July 2023

Braffin wrote: »

I could think of another way to stop the flipping game: Simply make all items bought at traders Bind on pickup.

I’ve advocated for this for years. If you purchase something from a trader, it is yours, full stop. You cannot trade it again. You can swap it amongst your characters, but it is now bound. This effectively removes any scalping or flipping at all. I’m honestly not sure why this isn’t the default.

kargen27 · July 2023

thorwyn wrote: »

There is no market monopoly game. With over 200 trade locations all with changing inventory players, even a good size group working together, can't monopolize the market.

I know, that was badly worded by me. What I was trying to say is the flipping game. Monpoly is a common narrative amongst the pro-AH folks.

I see no problem with flipping at all. For some players it is their end game. Players that do a lot of flipping are looking for bargains then selling near market price. Flippers want their items to move so they don't want to stick on a price that makes the item sit in the trader for a few days.
The way I see it the original player is happy because they get the price they wanted, the flipper is happy because they make a profit and the end buyer is happy because they got the item they wanted.

ShadowPaladin · July 2023

Could we please stop with this kind of thread.?! We all know that all pro's and con's have been mentioned in a trillion different threads and that there are way more con's - arguments AGAINST an AH - than pro's

. The major one was here also already mentioned multiple times - *a few players monopolizing the whole market and exaggerating prices way beyond any reasons*.

Also, as far as I am aware, the Devs did mention at some point, that there never ever will be an AH..!

So, please, stop beating a dead horse!!!
[snip]
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Tandor · July 2023

ShadowPaladin wrote: »

Could we please stop with this kind of thread.?! We all know that all pro's and con's have been mentioned in a trillion different threads and that there are way more con's - arguments AGAINST an AH - than pro's . The major one was here also already mentioned multiple times - *a few players monopolizing the whole market and exaggerating prices way beyond any reasons*.

Also, as far as I am aware, the Devs did mention at some point, that there never ever will be an AH..!

So, please, stop beating a dead horse!!!

Only if we can also stop all the other dead horse threads such as overland difficulty, overland PvP, and class change tokens - there's no reason why this one should be singled out

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Braffin · July 2023

ShadowPaladin wrote: »

Could we please stop with this kind of thread.?! We all know that all pro's and con's have been mentioned in a trillion different threads and that there are way more con's - arguments AGAINST an AH - than pro's . The major one was here also already mentioned multiple times - *a few players monopolizing the whole market and exaggerating prices way beyond any reasons*.

Also, as far as I am aware, the Devs did mention at some point, that there never ever will be an AH..!

So, please, stop beating a dead horse!!!

[snip]

But why? If the horse is dead it doesn't mid the beating.

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BlueRaven · July 2023

Tandor wrote: »

ShadowPaladin wrote: »

Could we please stop with this kind of thread.?! We all know that all pro's and con's have been mentioned in a trillion different threads and that there are way more con's - arguments AGAINST an AH - than pro's . The major one was here also already mentioned multiple times - *a few players monopolizing the whole market and exaggerating prices way beyond any reasons*.

Also, as far as I am aware, the Devs did mention at some point, that there never ever will be an AH..!

So, please, stop beating a dead horse!!!

Only if we can also stop all the other dead horse threads such as overland difficulty, overland PvP, and class change tokens - there's no reason why this one should be singled out !

I would take that bargain in a second.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · July 2023

wilykcat · July 2023

I would like an auction house.

I don't have much luck getting invited into traders guilds.

If the game does get a public auction house; it should be for subscribers only, similar set up/functions as the guild wars 2 auction house, and for those who can't join traders guilds ( player applications that have been declined from more than 4 traders guilds will also get the option).

Also a currency exchange feature would be nice as well.

SimonThesis · July 2023

wilykcat wrote: »

I don't have much luck getting invited into traders guilds.

What platform/server are you? Maybe we can help

In general tho read the guild listing, say some things about you in your guild application, say you can make dues if they have dues and you'll be an active member by participating in auctions and farming runs can help. Also, it might be a good to let them know what you like to sell and how much gold you make a week, make sure to exaggerate at least a little. The biggest thing is saying you can make dues. You can even have the AI chatgpt write your trading guild application.

SimonThesis · July 2023

Here's a trading guild app the ai ChatGPT made:

[Your Character Name]

Dear [Guild Leader's Name],

I am writing to express my interest in joining [Your Guild Name] as an esteemed member of your trading guild in the world of Elder Scrolls Online. Having heard of the incredible reputation and accomplishments of your guild, I am eager to contribute to its growth and success.

As an avid adventurer and skilled trader, I possess a deep passion for the economic aspects of the game. I understand the importance of a thriving trading community and the role it plays in creating a prosperous environment for all players. With my dedication and commitment, I am confident that I can add value to the guild and contribute to its ongoing success.

Here are some reasons why I believe I would be a valuable addition to [Your Guild Name]:

Financial Contribution: I am more than willing to make regular dues to support the guild's operations and help maintain its trade network. I understand that a well-funded guild can provide greater opportunities for its members and enhance the overall trading experience.

Active Participation: I am committed to actively participating in guild events and activities. This includes attending guild auctions, where I can contribute items for bidding as well as actively participate in acquiring valuable items for myself. Additionally, I am enthusiastic about joining farming runs to gather resources and contribute to the guild's collective efforts.

Knowledge and Experience: With my extensive knowledge of the game's economy and trading mechanics, I can provide valuable insights and advice to new guild members. I am constantly keeping up with the latest market trends and strategies to ensure maximum profitability for both myself and for the guild.

Reliability and Integrity: I pride myself on being a trustworthy and reliable player. I understand the importance of maintaining a positive reputation within the guild and the broader community. You can count on me to conduct myself with the utmost integrity and professionalism at all times.

I am excited about the prospect of joining [Your Guild Name] and contributing to its continued success. I am open to any further requirements or assessments necessary to become a member of the guild. Please feel free to reach out to me at your earliest convenience to discuss my application further.

Thank you for considering my application. I eagerly await your response and the opportunity to become a part of [Your Guild Name].

Sincerely,

[Your Character Name]

thorwyn · July 2023

I see no problem with flipping at all. For some players it is their end game.

Me neither, I think the current ystem is fine. I don't know why you keep replying to me as if I was the one asking for a central AH when all I did was pointing out that it would make it easier for those people that the OP is trying to outsmart.

Meiox · July 2023

ZOS should make a non player driven guild everyone can join and sell, maybe with only 5-10 vendor slots. So people who don't want to deal with player guilds can still sell their stuff?

Gargath · July 2023

An auction house will never be added to ESO so all this talking about it is pointless.

It was a good choice for SWTOR, because game was designed with auction house since the beginning. But it would not be good in ESO which was designed for a different market conception that everyone (well 99% maybe) got used to through years.

h9dlb · July 2023

Another suggestion to split the community further

Tandor · July 2023

SimonThesis wrote: »

Here's a trading guild app ChatGPT made:

[Your Character Name]

Dear [Guild Leader's Name],

I am writing to express my interest in joining [Your Guild Name] as an esteemed member of your trading guild in the world of Elder Scrolls Online. Having heard of the incredible reputation and accomplishments of your guild, I am eager to contribute to its growth and success.

As an avid adventurer and skilled trader, I possess a deep passion for the economic aspects of the game. I understand the importance of a thriving trading community and the role it plays in creating a prosperous environment for all players. With my dedication and commitment, I am confident that I can add value to the guild and contribute to its ongoing success.

Here are some reasons why I believe I would be a valuable addition to [Your Guild Name]:

Financial Contribution: I am more than willing to make regular dues to support the guild's operations and help maintain its trade network. I understand that a well-funded guild can provide greater opportunities for its members and enhance the overall trading experience.

Active Participation: I am committed to actively participating in guild events and activities. This includes attending guild auctions, where I can contribute items for bidding as well as actively participate in acquiring valuable items for myself. Additionally, I am enthusiastic about joining farming runs to gather resources and contribute to the guild's collective efforts.

Knowledge and Experience: With my extensive knowledge of the game's economy and trading mechanics, I can provide valuable insights and advice to new guild members. I am constantly keeping up with the latest market trends and strategies to ensure maximum profitability for both myself and for the guild.

Reliability and Integrity: I pride myself on being a trustworthy and reliable player. I understand the importance of maintaining a positive reputation within the guild and the broader community. You can count on me to conduct myself with the utmost integrity and professionalism at all times.

I am excited about the prospect of joining [Your Guild Name] and contributing to its continued success. I am open to any further requirements or assessments necessary to become a member of the guild. Please feel free to reach out to me at your earliest convenience to discuss my application further.

Thank you for considering my application. I eagerly await your response and the opportunity to become a part of [Your Guild Name].

Sincerely,

[Your Character Name]

Thank you for illustrating so well the absurdity of a system that requires a player to jump through those hoops in order to be able to sell a few items.

FantasticFreddie · July 2023

Tandor wrote: »

SimonThesis wrote: »

Here's a trading guild app ChatGPT made:

[Your Character Name]

Dear [Guild Leader's Name],

I am writing to express my interest in joining [Your Guild Name] as an esteemed member of your trading guild in the world of Elder Scrolls Online. Having heard of the incredible reputation and accomplishments of your guild, I am eager to contribute to its growth and success.

As an avid adventurer and skilled trader, I possess a deep passion for the economic aspects of the game. I understand the importance of a thriving trading community and the role it plays in creating a prosperous environment for all players. With my dedication and commitment, I am confident that I can add value to the guild and contribute to its ongoing success.

Here are some reasons why I believe I would be a valuable addition to [Your Guild Name]:

Financial Contribution: I am more than willing to make regular dues to support the guild's operations and help maintain its trade network. I understand that a well-funded guild can provide greater opportunities for its members and enhance the overall trading experience.

Active Participation: I am committed to actively participating in guild events and activities. This includes attending guild auctions, where I can contribute items for bidding as well as actively participate in acquiring valuable items for myself. Additionally, I am enthusiastic about joining farming runs to gather resources and contribute to the guild's collective efforts.

Knowledge and Experience: With my extensive knowledge of the game's economy and trading mechanics, I can provide valuable insights and advice to new guild members. I am constantly keeping up with the latest market trends and strategies to ensure maximum profitability for both myself and for the guild.

Reliability and Integrity: I pride myself on being a trustworthy and reliable player. I understand the importance of maintaining a positive reputation within the guild and the broader community. You can count on me to conduct myself with the utmost integrity and professionalism at all times.

I am excited about the prospect of joining [Your Guild Name] and contributing to its continued success. I am open to any further requirements or assessments necessary to become a member of the guild. Please feel free to reach out to me at your earliest convenience to discuss my application further.

Thank you for considering my application. I eagerly await your response and the opportunity to become a part of [Your Guild Name].

Sincerely,

[Your Character Name]

Thank you for illustrating so well the absurdity of a system that requires a player to jump through those hoops in order to be able to sell a few items.

Here's what MY most recent guild trader application looked like:

"Low level because it's an overflow account, but have many wares for those with coin"

I probably could have put literally anything, or nothing at all after the first part of the sentence. I was accepted, it's a small trader in an out of the way location but stuff sells pretty well. There's a raffle with some good stuff in it so I participate in that, but it's not required and there are no dues. When I was AFK for a couple weeks due to a family emergency I sent an in game mail to an officer, and I was not removed. I'm not even in the discord.

People who act like being in a trading guild is such a difficult thing imho haven't actually tried it.

TaSheen · July 2023

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Here's what MY most recent guild trader application looked like:

"Low level because it's an overflow account, but have many wares for those with coin"

I probably could have put literally anything, or nothing at all after the first part of the sentence. I was accepted, it's a small trader in an out of the way location but stuff sells pretty well. There's a raffle with some good stuff in it so I participate in that, but it's not required and there are no dues. When I was AFK for a couple weeks due to a family emergency I sent an in game mail to an officer, and I was not removed. I'm not even in the discord.

People who act like being in a trading guild is such a difficult thing imho haven't actually tried it.

I'm fairly sure it's not at all difficult, I'm just not interested in guilds in this game, trading or otherwise.

FantasticFreddie · July 2023

TaSheen wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Here's what MY most recent guild trader application looked like:

"Low level because it's an overflow account, but have many wares for those with coin"

I probably could have put literally anything, or nothing at all after the first part of the sentence. I was accepted, it's a small trader in an out of the way location but stuff sells pretty well. There's a raffle with some good stuff in it so I participate in that, but it's not required and there are no dues. When I was AFK for a couple weeks due to a family emergency I sent an in game mail to an officer, and I was not removed. I'm not even in the discord.

People who act like being in a trading guild is such a difficult thing imho haven't actually tried it.

I'm fairly sure it's not at all difficult, I'm just not interested in guilds in this game, trading or otherwise.

I don't interact with the guild at all, besides occasionally dropping gold in the bank for raffle tickets. If there's nothing raffled I want I just list my stuff and collect the gold in the mail, and ignore. In-game guild chat is almost exclusively price checks.

If that level of interaction bothers you, are you sure a single player game isn't more your style?

TaSheen · July 2023

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Here's what MY most recent guild trader application looked like:

"Low level because it's an overflow account, but have many wares for those with coin"

I probably could have put literally anything, or nothing at all after the first part of the sentence. I was accepted, it's a small trader in an out of the way location but stuff sells pretty well. There's a raffle with some good stuff in it so I participate in that, but it's not required and there are no dues. When I was AFK for a couple weeks due to a family emergency I sent an in game mail to an officer, and I was not removed. I'm not even in the discord.

People who act like being in a trading guild is such a difficult thing imho haven't actually tried it.

I'm fairly sure it's not at all difficult, I'm just not interested in guilds in this game, trading or otherwise.

I don't interact with the guild at all, besides occasionally dropping gold in the bank for raffle tickets. If there's nothing raffled I want I just list my stuff and collect the gold in the mail, and ignore. In-game guild chat is almost exclusively price checks.

If that level of interaction bothers you, are you sure a single player game isn't more your style?

Not at the moment - I do still play Oblivion and Skyrim, but TES is really the only franchise I have any interest in, so ESO is it right now and for the foreseeable future. Yes, I do play it as a solo game - because my ping is outrageous (750 ms on a good day, a LOT more than that on a regular basis) and it wouldn't be fair to drop that on a group (and besides, if I did they'e probably vote kick me anyway, and perfectly within their rights to do so).

I'm pretty much a one-interest gamer.