Is vCR overload affecting Oakensorcs?

Zastrix · June 2023

I just did a vCR+1 and a group member was an oakensorc and they didn't get overload. Is this pure luck or did ZOS rollback their fix to oakensorcs skipping mechanics?

Edit: I also got it everytime except for like 2 times max.

El_Borracho · June 2023

Last time I checked, its supposed to, but that was from March of this year. I don't know if Necrom changed that

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7837551#Comment_7837551

kringled_1 · June 2023

I think the analysis was all pre Necrom, but the sense from logs after the March patch was that oakensoul users could get overload, but usually only if no one else was eligible. This was posted by Nilandia.
Once they got it though, there's no way for them to avoid the effects.

Necrotech_Master · June 2023

they did make it so that it will not prioritize 1 bar builds (WW or oaken), so it generally will hit other players first, but if there is no other valid targets, or fewer valid targets, you might still get it

Zastrix · June 2023

Kek so basically oakensorcs can skip mechanics and it's only just a wordplay/technicality that they can get it.

kringled_1 · June 2023

Eh...if you have one or two in the group and people aren't dying, then yes, they're not getting it, it's just shunting the burden of the mechanics to others in the group.
But as it is, if you have a few dead upstairs, not only will flare cause additional deaths and likely snowball, but overload going to an oakensoul user has that potential also.
If it's just a matter of fairness for distributing the burden of doing mechanics, then a lot of that comes to the raid lead. It's very different from "ey we can just have 7 oakensoul dps it'll be fine" where it was before.

Zastrix · June 2023

Yeah but if you have 2-3 oakensoul DDs they're never going to get it unless there's going to be a group wipe already so it's just wordplay/technicallity. If you do vCR+2/3 and you have 7 oakensorcs you're still going to have 2/3 tanks up, 2 healers up and if they don't die the oakensorcs won't get it.

Skullstachio · June 2023

I believe Xynode touched on this issue in a video.

From what I can remember, I believe it is an uncommon misconception as if overload does target you even if you have just one bar via oakensoul, it still targets you accordingly because the mistake thats made is that players have a weapon equipped on their main-hand backup as well as the primary bar they use.

The oakensoul ring locks you to one bar, but if you have a weapon equipped on your backup as well as the primary bar, the game will still read you as using two bars, not one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3SPxT8ZuGc

kringled_1 · June 2023

I think the information in that video is out of date.

Soarora · June 2023

I did vCR+2/+1 recently and an oakensoul user, the only oakensoul user in the trial, still claims to have gotten overload. No backbar weapon, no backbar skills.

acastanza_ESO · June 2023

Skullstachio wrote: »

I believe Xynode touched on this issue in a video.

From what I can remember, I believe it is an uncommon misconception as if overload does target you even if you have just one bar via oakensoul, it still targets you accordingly because the mistake thats made is that players have a weapon equipped on their main-hand backup as well as the primary bar they use.

The oakensoul ring locks you to one bar, but if you have a weapon equipped on your backup as well as the primary bar, the game will still read you as using two bars, not one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3SPxT8ZuGc

This video is no longer accurate. The mechanic was adjusted in the Scribes of Fate DLC patch. Oakensoul users and Werewolves will get Voltaic Overload applied to them now. You should no longer run Oakensoul in vCR because it can and will cause Voltaic Overload to wipe the group. That is the decision that ZOS made.

Agenericname · June 2023

Soarora wrote: »

I did vCR+2/+1 recently and an oakensoul user, the only oakensoul user in the trial, still claims to have gotten overload. No backbar weapon, no backbar skills.

It would be fairly obvious if an Oak user did get it. Since they cant swap, it hits everyone around them. Check the logs for the debuff to see who got the mech vs took damage from someone else getting it.

kringled_1 wrote: »

I think the analysis was all pre Necrom, but the sense from logs after the March patch was that oakensoul users could get overload, but usually only if no one else was eligible. This was posted by Nilandia.
Once they got it though, there's no way for them to avoid the effects.

This is what we have found to be the case. We recently ran a +1 with Rele alive in an all Oak group. Ive ran several +1/2 with Oakensoul users in the group and its been fairly consistant so far, since the patch back in March.

Soarora · June 2023

Agenericname wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

I did vCR+2/+1 recently and an oakensoul user, the only oakensoul user in the trial, still claims to have gotten overload. No backbar weapon, no backbar skills.

It would be fairly obvious if an Oak user did get it. Since they cant swap, it hits everyone around them. Check the logs for the debuff to see who got the mech vs took damage from someone else getting it.

Thanks for telling me where to find it, didn’t think to check debuffs. Yes, although rarely compared to other groupmates, the oakensoul-user got overload. And yeah, we did have some explosions but wasn’t sure by who.

Nilandia · June 2023

I checked a few logs, and it appears that voltaic will still preferentially target people with 2 bar builds.

One log of a vCR+3 run had 22 pulls. The oakensoul user never got voltaic once.

Another vCR+3 run had 15 pulls.

The oakensoul user is at the bottom, getting it once over the entire run.

This is a closer look at the oakensoul user getting voltaic. The middle yellow graph is another group member getting the initial voltaic. The orange bar on the top graph indicates that other group member dying. The bottom group shows the oakensoul user getting voltaic. This means that the oakensoul user got voltaic because another group member died with it.

Both logs I checked were posted just yesterday.

Soarora · June 2023

Other people dying is likely the cause, I’m not surprised by that.