Wrecking Blow major berserk uptime hide change (from 5 sec to 3 sec)?

PISTOLETVKREDIT · June 2023

Hello everyone, I need a clarification about this please:

PC/Mac Patch Notes v8.3.5 - Wrecking Blow (morph): This morph now also grants Major Berserk for 5 seconds. Now it’s really time to wreck it.

PC/Mac Patch Notes v8.3.6 - Wrecking Blow (morph): No change indicated in patch notes.

PC/Mac Patch Notes v8.3.7 - Wrecking Blow (morph): No change indicated in patch notes.

PC/Mac Patch Notes v8.3.8 - Wrecking Blow (morph): No change indicated in patch notes.

PC/Mac Patch Notes v9.0.5 – Necrom - Wrecking Blow (morph): No change indicated in patch notes.

And this is screen shot from today -

PISTOLETVKREDIT · June 2023

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_Kevin could you please leave comments on this

gariondavey · June 2023

PISTOLETVKREDIT wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_Kevin could you please leave comments on this

Agreed

merpins · June 2023

Oh hey! A 3 second duration! Not even possible to go and refresh skills with that duration. 5 Seconds was already short but doable. 3 is just laughable for a skill that already has a cast time.

Mrtoobyy · June 2023

Could be a hidden change. The same happened to Dual wield heavy attack sounds, remember when it made TWO sounds on impact? I made tickets, asking around but no info about it, they just changed it.

PISTOLETVKREDIT · June 2023

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_Kevin could you please leave comments on this

Necrotech_Master · June 2023

i thought they had also removed the empower in favor of berserk, but this looks like its adding both, not even sure why the empower is still there to be honest, with only 3 sec duration it would be nearly impossible to even follow up with a heavy attack after (heavy attack cast time is 2.1 sec)

gariondavey · June 2023

PISTOLETVKREDIT wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_Kevin could you please leave comments on this

Please help us out

PISTOLETVKREDIT · June 2023

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_Kevin could you please leave comments on this

gariondavey · June 2023

PISTOLETVKREDIT wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_Kevin could you please leave comments on this

Yes, please can we have some answers

YandereGirlfriend · June 2023

This is sort of tangential but did Wrecking Blow really need Major Berserk stapled to it to begin with?

Like, 2H has never under-performed in PvP. So like, why did it need a buff?

merpins · June 2023

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

This is sort of tangential but did Wrecking Blow really need Major Berserk stapled to it to begin with?

Like, 2H has never under-performed in PvP. So like, why did it need a buff?

It did underperform in PVE. It was a PvE change. Does it hurt PVP for it to have major berserk? No, not really. But it definitely helps out in PVE. Or at least it did at 5 seconds.

React · June 2023

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

This is sort of tangential but did Wrecking Blow really need Major Berserk stapled to it to begin with?

Like, 2H has never under-performed in PvP. So like, why did it need a buff?

This isn't accurate - wrecking blow hasn't been used in PVP in probably 6 years now, up until the berserk was added.

Dizzying swing has been in a tough spot ever since the stun was removed, and the new CP system was introduced (exploiter removed as a free passive, then later introduced as a slotted CP). The ability simply does not hit hard enough to justify the cast time, when you could be spamming something like master's rending slashes for the same damage with several secondary effects and a strong DOT

The major berserk was a nice change to increase the viability of wrecking blow, but ultimately both of these channel time spammables still fall behind several other instant cast spammables in terms of damage, secondary effects, and overall ease of use.

KlauthWarthog · June 2023

Well, just exploded a mob to test it and yes, this is exactly what it is doing, it is not just a tooltip error.
So... care to at least enlighten us on whether or not this is intended, @ZOS_Kevin?

Urzigurumash · June 2023

What React said there is evidenced by how hard and fast StamCro dropped off in 2021. Also,

StamSorc switched to mostly Bow specs
StamDK switched to MagDK with the occasional Spin 2 Win on their Ardent Flame bar
StamDen was still a solid Spin 2 Winner even in Warden's darkest days but D Swing Den also dropped off

At least in my circles the addition of Major Berserk to Wrecking Blow has benefited StamSorc quite a bit and made it a top-tier competitive spec for OW/BG/IC 1v1 play (along with, or in spite of, the nerfs to the few tricks which carried BowSorc for a minute)

Also as we all know Master DW builds became the default "classless" Stam build, it was previously D Swing builds since the reduction to its cast time in late 2018 / 2019 (Master DW builds having rather dropped off after the halving of 1h enchants around that time)

ZOS_Kevin · June 2023

Hey all, thanks for the tags here. We followed up with the team regarding this. The 3sec is intended. This change was made back in U37, but we missed the patch notes for it in the final release of 37. Sorry about the confusion here. We tracked the issue where the miscommunication happened and have a solution to avoid this going forward.

OBJnoob · June 2023

Well. Nice to have an answer. I've gotta say I think 3 seconds isn't long enough though and I'm not sure why it was shortened.

3 seconds is barely enough time to use an ultimate (since half of them have cast times these days,) and an execute. It certainly isn't enough time for anything else. Literally. I mean technically you could cast 3 skills not 2 but since wrecking blow is the spammable... Only 2. Especially in PvP when your target might be moving and you have to waste a second or two getting in range.

I'll admit to being a hypocrite because I didn't originally want major berserk added to it. But I did have fun using it on a character because as someone else said the 2H PvP meta ended a while ago and it was nostalgic to be using the skill again. It didn't seem OP to me at 5 seconds.

React · June 2023

OBJnoob wrote: »

Well. Nice to have an answer. I've gotta say I think 3 seconds isn't long enough though and I'm not sure why it was shortened.

3 seconds is barely enough time to use an ultimate (since half of them have cast times these days,) and an execute. It certainly isn't enough time for anything else. Literally. I mean technically you could cast 3 skills not 2 but since wrecking blow is the spammable... Only 2. Especially in PvP when your target might be moving and you have to waste a second or two getting in range.

I'll admit to being a hypocrite because I didn't originally want major berserk added to it. But I did have fun using it on a character because as someone else said the 2H PvP meta ended a while ago and it was nostalgic to be using the skill again. It didn't seem OP to me at 5 seconds.

I can only imagine this is a PVE related change, as if I remember correctly wrecking blow stamsorc was the top PVE parser with the 5 seconds of berserk.

It's a shame, because like you said 3 seconds is simply not at all useful for PVP.

OBJnoob · June 2023

Well I hope it was a big margin then because I don't see the big deal. Someone has to be the best... Frankly it would be nice if it wasn't DK all the time. Or dual daggers.

But I don't pretend to know much about PvE so I'll shut up. Thanks for the insight.

skinnycheeks · June 2023

yeah 5s was better. it was still pretty short and annoying for execute, but 3s is REALLY short.

Gnesnig · June 2023

I'm guessing the 3 seconds is an implementation constraint. You can't do more than one heavy attack in 3 seconds, so what it should really read is "your next heavy attack".

But that would be a different implementation and probably can't kick off Empower and Major Berserk as they are time based buffs. Which would mean wrecking blow would stack with other Empower/Major Berserk.

Elrond87 · June 2023

back to class ability spam able then

Rkindaleft · June 2023

The 5 seconds was a PvE change and now it's back to trash for most classes in PvE again, the ability already has a cast time and you now don't have much time to go refresh other skills.