SkaiFaith wrote: »

markulrich1966 wrote: »

there must be something wrong with that xbox screenshot above.
Maybe the TV is set to "gaming mode"? In that mode, it reduces latency by drastically reducing grafics quality. This mode is intended for FPS shooters like Fortenite, using a different HDMI input (NOT "game") or setting usually can deactivate gamemode.
Or the next gen patch was not installed, the screenshot reminds me of my former oldgen One S. Less "depth" and detail.

This is the Series S (the small nextgen, 230 Euro) in performance mode, 4k, HDR deactivated (as I don't like HDR on my Asus Gaming Monitor):

Further away like on the PC screenshot:


Closer for comparison with the xbox screenshot:

Btw, zooming in your closer screenshot (I'm on mobile) it seems to me that the "lock" of the door still has some issues - I mean it's not super defined, right? A bit grainy on some details... Even if better than mine.

It says in this post that HDR is turned off. You are getting 4 times fewer pixels so that is why it looks worse.

EDIT: wait that’s not right but you are missing out and a lot of details that way

There we go. Proper 4K HDR screenshots, distance for the prompt, FoV settings... Still. It's. Blocky. And I am not looking for it - it simply is visible and not unnoticeable when you are on a big screen. The blurriness of the rocks too.

Sorry but I don't understand why it seems a problem if I point out something that is clearly improvable. It's distracting while gaming and I thought people would have agreed on wanting better image quality... Crazy me.

xclassgaming wrote: »

The game is gorgeous it doesn't need a "Remaster."

SkaiFaith wrote: »

There we go. Proper 4K HDR screenshots, distance for the prompt, FoV settings... Still. It's. Blocky. And I am not looking for it - it simply is visible and not unnoticeable when you are on a big screen. The blurriness of the rocks too.

Sorry but I don't understand why it seems a problem if I point out something that is clearly improvable. It's distracting while gaming and I thought people would have agreed on wanting better image quality... Crazy me.

As an example, I'm using a display from 2010 (19' 1440x900 16:10 75Hz), mixed ultra/max settings for the game. Image quality is amazing, no blurring, textures are sharp and clear. For me personally, it makes no sense in more quality, like a remaster of the game.

What does your game look like on a "normal" screen, not a humongous tv? I mean, I run 2 28" 4k screens (about 2 years old now) and the game fidelity is infinitely better than what husband gets on his HD 45" tv (no, he doesn't play computer games - he just watches "regular" tv using DirecTV's HD channels).

Well, if it was widespread across consoles, wouldn't you expect more people to have complained over the years? I didn't see the screenies from the Series S owner in this thread. Are they in another thread?

SoraJP wrote: »

The game already does include higher quality assets for EVERYTHING, which aren't being used. It is possible to use the assets on PC using .ini file tweaks. Most of the tweaks can be found and explained here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/347224/optimized-usersettings-ini-for-next-gen-ish-pc

These tweaks to make the game look much more modern, at the cost of performance. The game is horribly optimized for this, most notable is loading screens with this. While it did double my loading time, I had near instant loading screens beforehand. This would be even worse if it were on console.

An upgrade could happen in the future because these assets do already exist, it is just a hardware and optimization issue.

The mip_load_skip_levels only changes how far out the best textures load in from. At -3 setting I believe it always loads the best textures regardless of range, but that should not matter up close since at up close levels the best textures should already be loaded. Unless you have a bug.

@TaSheen - he's on Series S, said in another comment, same thread. He's not lamenting but has the same issue on console, while PC players are saying this issues isn't there instead, so I expect it to be a console only thing, and as I already said - I don't get why...

markulrich1966 wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

As expected, after reinstall nothing has changed. Tried both Fidelity and Performance mode with identical result.



Am I allowed to expect a "remaster" of blurry details like these? 😝 Consoles can definitely be improved...

Edit: I've put out the Nazaray staff for comparison - that one looks good! It's the base game that needs an upgrade, from top to bottom in my opinion, so many things need adjustments/refinements...

Here is another screenshot from my system, I tried to make it from the same distance as yours for better comparison.

It is closer than my first two, and yes, it looks less detailed now, close to yours.
So your settings might indeed be correct, small differences might be caused by different contrast/brightness settings.
I am ok with it, as I mostly play in 3rd person perspective, where you never get close enough to see this issue.

As others I share the opinion, that I prefer permormance over more detail, also the current download size of 90GB is already huge and should not be increased. Just as optional package.

Also, I've seen people in other threads ask to abandon last gen consoles to be able to improve the current, so I'm not the only one complaining... I just don't have the insight to understand why is it necessary to abandon last gen to have better textures on a Series X with its power.

@Hamish999 thank you for the info! Didn't know about the dropping of old-gen by 2024/2025 by Sony.
Hopefully by then ESO will look better, at least on the upcoming hardware generation refresh.

capes, just add capes. i was in an mmo once and when they added capes after what felt like a decade of playing it was huge.

I don't think Tamriel needs a complete overhaul. The devs have only so much resources and time available to them to work on at a given time.
I would settle for upgrading things here and there. I wouldn't mind seeing the player character models getting some love here and there, skin/fur/scale textures are starting too look a bit dated. An updated pack of face and body marking would be a nice way to update it.

As for Tamriel I think some of the older base game places could use some love here and there. Elden Root, while impressive in size, leaves much to be desired. Of all the Alliance capitals it feels the least like a place brimming with people. Everything is inconveniently far away and I don't really get the feeling of being in the heart of Bosmer culture. I also would have like to see more Khajiit presence in the AD territory as they really get the short end of the rope.

I would love to see Tamriel evolve which small updates here and there over time - too keep things fresh - and to show the passing of time. I hope that now that the devs are slowly letting lose of the new zone every chapter/DLC they might take a look at their past work again. Not to completely overhaul the mountain of labor and art that originally went into it, but honor it and improve on what was already there.

Daoin wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

@TaSheen I'll give you examples, so please tell me if these aren't distracting to you, I want to understand if it's a me thing...




One is a door in Windhelm and the other rocks in The Rift.
It being a 4K TV doesn't matter - those look bad to me... Definitely improvable. Isn't this kinda objective?

I don't know what platform you are playing on, but nothing in my game looks anywhere near as low-quality as those two pics, and I'm playing on a PC I built in 2015, with components that had already been on the market for 2-3 years.

looks like an actual graphical issue in-game to me judging by the writing and some of the other objects on the screen which look clear

That's a side effect of taking a picture of the TV screen instead of a proper screenshot. The OP shows proper screen captures later in the thread.

SkaiFaith wrote: »

@Grizzbeorn the platform is Xbox Series X and this...

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

@TaSheen I'll give you examples, so please tell me if these aren't distracting to you, I want to understand if it's a me thing...




One is a door in Windhelm and the other rocks in The Rift.
It being a 4K TV doesn't matter - those look bad to me... Definitely improvable. Isn't this kinda objective?

I don't know what platform you are playing on, but nothing in my game looks anywhere near as low-quality as those two pics, and I'm playing on a PC I built in 2015, with components that had already been on the market for 2-3 years.

...is the reason why I think the console version of the game definitely can be improved and seriously needs "a remaster" to happen (Call it differently if you prefer...)

You might consider mentioning your platform in your OP in future posts, or adding a notation to your signature so people can see it, so you don't get inundated with irrelevant information.

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

@Grizzbeorn the platform is Xbox Series X and this...

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

@TaSheen I'll give you examples, so please tell me if these aren't distracting to you, I want to understand if it's a me thing...




One is a door in Windhelm and the other rocks in The Rift.
It being a 4K TV doesn't matter - those look bad to me... Definitely improvable. Isn't this kinda objective?

I don't know what platform you are playing on, but nothing in my game looks anywhere near as low-quality as those two pics, and I'm playing on a PC I built in 2015, with components that had already been on the market for 2-3 years.

...is the reason why I think the console version of the game definitely can be improved and seriously needs "a remaster" to happen (Call it differently if you prefer...)

You might consider mentioning your platform in your OP in future posts, or adding a notation to your signature so people can see it, so you don't get inundated with irrelevant information.

Yeah, I could have mentioned it but honestly I wasn't expecting to discover this is only a console issue. I was interested in everyone's opinion thinking everybody was affected... Still, it has been useful to hear from PC players that they don't encounter such problems.

SkaiFaith wrote: »

xclassgaming wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

The title. When (if ever) do you think we will see a remaster or anniversary edition of ESO with reworked visuals/animations?

I would love to see many things redesigned 'cause, yes ESO is on the higher end of MMOs visually speaking, but still, it shows its age in some aspects.

Any educated guesses? Or even wild ones... I would explode of joy if 10th year would be THE year, but I set my hopes low.

Note: I'm just talking visually - PLEASE DON'T START COMPLAINING ABOUT PvP or "broken aspects"; I don't want this thread closed. Thank you

The game is gorgeous it doesn't need a "Remaster."

I have to admit I'm the kind of person who likes to look around all the most fine details on the ground mud/rocks, so I personally don't even understand all the PC players playing with the camera all far high which makes you lose all those details... Perhaps I have sort of a biased opinion due to my specific taste and mine it's not an objective point of view. That's why I'm asking All feedback is appreciated!

Gladly, you're not alone in this. I never really got this far-away camera thing. Did my grand overlord, all nodeaths and even trial trifectas I was leading with the camera right behind character's shoulder.



I think most people who say TESO doesn't need an update don't pay attention to details in general. The new assets DO look good, from smallest to the most giant. Look at this. You can see wrinkles on the leather cover if you get close. Great.
However, the old assets are horrible beyond doubt, AND are still frequently in use here and there. I've just made screenshots in Tel Mora (Morrowind chapter, 2016) and Gideon (Blackwood chapter, 2021 (!!!)
The furniture versions of Leyawiin bookshelves are detailed and beautiful, but they still come with that kind of books inside. Starting from 2022 new books have nice and detailed textures, but all other chapters bookshelves (Solitude, Alinor, et cetera) come with what I've just shown. And that is just 1 example of many.

The zones and cities update is another matter entirely - here textrues updating only won't work.

NPC and characters models don't need an update. All is fine there. Don't get what it's coming from.

Anyway, fully support your idea. We need more attention to this.

@OgrimTitan sending love your way and that first screenshot of yours is lovely! I absolutely wish I could play with that camera but on console you can't have it that low since we can't adjust vertical offset - I always try to emulate your camera but I end up higher and cutting the legs just under the rear.

TaSheen wrote: »

Um. OP is playing in first person viewpoint, never seeing any part of his character at all.

Not really, my first person screenshots were at the sole purpose of showing what I meant - 90% of the time I play in third person because it feels more cinematographic, even if consoles can't have the perfect camera angle sadly... It's still better than using first person and having to deal with those "blurs". Yet I notice them when camera clips when I go too close to a door for example...