Vampirism Fix: Now Lets Make It Useful/Interesting Again

NordJitsu · May 2014

This thread is not to talk about the recent changes to vampirism. Instead, I would like to suggest further changes to make the skill line both more fun to play from a roleplaying perspective and more useful from a competitive standpoint.

STAGES

First, I would like to see an additional cost/benefit analysis for the Vampire stages. Since the cost reduction has been nerfed, it seems the majority of vampires feel that Stage 4 is not worth the reduction in ability costs (due to decreased health regen.)

I would like to see the following changes implemented:

1. The percent extra fire damage taken is dependent on stage. From 20% more fire damage at stage 1 to 60% more fire damage at stage 4. This would be in line with past Elder Scrolls titles and also make the choice of stage more meaningful.
2. The abilities not only decrease in cost, but also increase in effectiveness at Stage 4. These could be marginal increases (more damage, longer duration, ect.) or substantive increases (Vampire Drain affects two targets instead of one, ect.)

STALKERS OF THE NIGHT

I think that Vampires should be more affected by the day night cycle. This would add an interesting dynamic to PvP where Vampire players are relatively weak during the day, and shy away from fights, but become quite fierce at night.

Here's specifically what I'd like to see:

1. Dark Stalker ONLY works at night. During the day, Vampires move at the same stealth speed as everyone else.
2. Vampire abilities become more potent at night (this would be either/or with number 2 from above, not both.)
3. Health regen is dependent on day/night. This would be more consistent with past Elder Scrolls games where vampires take damage during the day and/or have lower health regen during the day. You could either remove the Health Regen dependency from the stages or keep that and make it so that health regen is always as if in stage 1 at night.

Thoughts?

ChairGraveyard · May 2014

Good ideas

Sadly I don't see it happening - most likely we'll see more ham-handed nerfs that mostly affect PvE ability usage and don't actually fix the core problem with ultimate cost reductions.

Thechemicals · May 2014

The design phase is over....it is balancing now.

indigoblades · May 2014

They are not going to change it, if u dont like it consider finding another game ... thats what i am going to do.

NordJitsu · May 2014

Such pessimism.

They've made big changes in the past, so I'm not sure why there's such doubt.

Game has been out for a month and they've already fixed the biggest problem with PvP. There's a massive new content patch coming. Quests get fixed weekly.

Cheer up people.

Nox_Aeterna · May 2014

First , the stronger the debuffs , the stronger the buffs a vampire should get.

Also this would be acceptable if vampires could become OP monsters at night.

The nights in ESO are much shorter than the days.

The_Sadist · May 2014

NordJitsu wrote: »

This thread is not to talk about the recent changes to vampirism. Instead, I would like to suggest further changes to make the skill line both more fun to play from a roleplaying perspective and more useful from a competitive standpoint.

STAGES

First, I would like to see an additional cost/benefit analysis for the Vampire stages. Since the cost reduction has been nerfed, it seems the majority of vampires feel that Stage 4 is not worth the reduction in ability costs (due to decreased health regen.)

I would like to see the following changes implemented:

1. The percent extra fire damage taken is dependent on stage. From 20% more fire damage at stage 1 to 60% more fire damage at stage 4. This would be in line with past Elder Scrolls titles and also make the choice of stage more meaningful.
2. The abilities not only decrease in cost, but also increase in effectiveness at Stage 4. These could be marginal increases (more damage, longer duration, ect.) or substantive increases (Vampire Drain affects two targets instead of one, ect.)

STALKERS OF THE NIGHT

I think that Vampires should be more affected by the day night cycle. This would add an interesting dynamic to PvP where Vampire players are relatively weak during the day, and shy away from fights, but become quite fierce at night.

Here's specifically what I'd like to see:

1. Dark Stalker ONLY works at night. During the day, Vampires move at the same stealth speed as everyone else.
2. Vampire abilities become more potent at night (this would be either/or with number 2 from above, not both.)
3. Health regen is dependent on day/night. This would be more consistent with past Elder Scrolls games where vampires take damage during the day and/or have lower health regen during the day. You could either remove the Health Regen dependency from the stages or keep that and make it so that health regen is always as if in stage 1 at night.

Thoughts?

1) The stage changes seem fine for someone who plans on sitting in stage one or something, the issue would be feeding times and whatnot... having to find a kill every hour to maintain a balanced state would get old relatively fast. Furthermore, why 60% fire? Why not stage one 20%, stage two 30%, stage three 40% and stage four 50%
2) Sure why not, the issue is there has to be a degree of balancing when it comes to this otherwise rolling in stage 4 without any negative repercussions will make everyone complain.

I disagree with being week during the day, a well fed vampire is immune to daylight and still has access to all of their abilities, passive or otherwise, despite the sun. I can see something along the lines of 'as your stages increase you become more bloodthirsty but also more vampiric and because of this shy away from the sun' like prior games had.

1) Dark Stalker is already a niche passive, I'm going to say no, simply because there's not much point for it.
2) And to balance it out they will be less potent during the day? With stage one being neutral with further stages branching out?
4) In Morrowind you didn't actually regenerate any hp as a vampire regardless of stage however in Skyrim you got a simple weakness stunting your regeneration and whatnot. So interesting concept but I'm not sure about the specifics.