Old Companions vs New Content (DLC)- Request Thread/Discussion

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BardokRedSnow
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I'm quite surprised to how much I actually enjoy these companions. Even the khajiit, Ember, who I did not expect to appreciate. Currently my favorite is Mirri with Isobel as a very close second. She's pretty badass and hard to not be fond of considering her famous voice actor, and Mirri is adorable with her dunmeri curses and little firecracker personality.

However I do see a small problem on the horizon, which I realized after I played with Isobel in High Isle. For one the new companions get more personal quests and even a letter that you can keep in your home. For two... Isobel comments a good deal more than expected during the main quest for High Isle. I got Mirri after doing the main quest part 1 of Blackwood, and doing all its side quests. She didn't comment very much in part 2 or 3. It made me wonder what I missed out on, same with Vvardenfell and Clockwork city, the latter of which I know she comments in at the very least.

So, the point of the thread.

Zos, it'd be wonderful if in future DLC you don't forget about your previous assets. Getting even just one or two new personal quests for older companions and a few lines here or there in the new main quest, if applicable, would go a long way to making others be interested in the new content, I believe. It would add replayability on other characters as well if you missed out on certain dialogue because you brought a different companion, which is already a risk with the two companions introduced with said dlc.

For instance, this new DLC is at least half concerning Morrowind and the Telvanni. That means it would make a lot of sense for Mirri to have something to say about the quests. I would like to bring her there when its available but would feel like I missed out if she had nothing to say at all. It would feel like I have to use the newer companions when Ive already built up the others and don't necessarily want to.

For those reading, would this be something you'd like to see?
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  • LunaFlora
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    yea that would be awesome! i really loved doing zone stories with Mirri and hearing her comment when i was near Vivec and Sotha Sil. Isobel's comments in the high isle quests were nice too
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  • tomofhyrule
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    100% this.

    Heck, we can already see how neglected the Blackwood companions are relative to the High Isle ones (cries in forgotten Basti). The High Isle ones had letter furnishings, three quests instead of two, and a lot more voice lines. I was blown away when Isobel had lines about Orsinium (lines, plural), and yet my best bro only has a handful of lines in the first place.

    Also the fact that Basti is the only companion who can be out of range with his ult. I thought Isobel's was only melee as well, but hers is a path and I saw someone get her to trigger it at range. But my boy can only use his ult if I trap him in a corner and bring the boss over to him. It's a bit annoying that he definitely seems to be the forgotten one (or even the hated one, if the forums are any indication...)

    Please update the other companions to have as much as the new ones!
  • BardokRedSnow
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    I wonder if they just assumed their audience were dude bros and were only interested in the womens lol. I will give them the benefit of the doubt tho since Isobel may be cute but she's not available in the way Mirri is so to speak.

    They definitely didn't seem to give him as much care tho.

    But yea even if they don't give as much care as the new ones, giving them something every now and then in new dlc imo will go a long way into making the entire companion system feel much more dynamic. Hell I'd even get a companion update pack for just that sole purpose throughout the rest of the game, i.e. just a dialogue pack for old and new content if that was necessary. Some may complain but they do have to pay the voice actors and actresses for their work each time.

    And this would of course include hopefully the letters that the new companions can give as a furnishing item
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  • Treselegant
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    So much, 100%.

    People have been asking for this for some while now. The least they could do is update the Blackwood pair with more dialogue, an extra quest and a collectable letter. This would put them in line with the other companions. At one point they were even talking about adding romance but as of right now Blackwood's companions have been completely abandoned.

    I've got my favourite companion levelled, out-fitted and in a place where I really have no intention of changing companion in the future. Many players are exactly the same - any future 'new and improved' companions aren't really going to help.
    I wonder if they just assumed their audience were dude bros and were only interested in the womens lol.

    I am quite suspicious of this myself at times :# . The one male companion we've had until this point has less dialogue by miles and is treated with absolute disregard by devs. Less dialogue, choppy low effort writing in places and just really over all treated as less important.
    100% this.

    Heck, we can already see how neglected the Blackwood companions are relative to the High Isle ones (cries in forgotten Basti). The High Isle ones had letter furnishings, three quests instead of two, and a lot more voice lines. I was blown away when Isobel had lines about Orsinium (lines, plural), and yet my best bro only has a handful of lines in the first place.

    Also the fact that Basti is the only companion who can be out of range with his ult. I thought Isobel's was only melee as well, but hers is a path and I saw someone get her to trigger it at range. But my boy can only use his ult if I trap him in a corner and bring the boss over to him. It's a bit annoying that he definitely seems to be the forgotten one (or even the hated one, if the forums are any indication...)

    Please update the other companions to have as much as the new ones!

    It doesn't say a lot about players as a whole I reckon - only about those who are spend a lot of time in online gaming forums. In game I'm seeing a lot of Bastians alongside Embers, followed by good amount of Mirris and then slightly less Isobels. The game has a diverse audience and that should be taken into consideration.


    Edited by Treselegant on April 12, 2023 12:51AM
  • karthrag_inak
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    Perhaps not directly related, but what Khajiit would like to see is his companion friends being duelable - make them perhaps as tough as a dungeon boss combat dummy, but with their combat skills too. Perhaps have them stop at 1% health or something like that - is friendly duel, after all. Would be really fun, this one thinks, and really not that difficult to implement - they already fight, just have them fight against player and give them lots of Hp.
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  • phaneub17_ESO
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    The first two were a complete shot in the dark, a trial test on how they would be perceived. Every year that goes by will always have better companions in terms of interaction, story, and quests. There are unused lines for both Bastian and Mirri, they incorporate later on. I don't see them hiring the VA again unless there's a major amount of dialogue to be added.

    If anything they would add new lines afterwards when multiple content has come and gone to fill in, so first time through won't hear it, but someone doing it years later would hear the new speeches.
  • HoneyBunBadgers
    Companion romance, updated voice lines for new content, more skills/skill lines added like psijic order...etc. being able to have a battle arena where companions can duel themselves, make companions not as much of a grind and allow them to gain xp from completing quests instead of just combat, I play alot and I still haven't gotten 1 out of the 4 companions to max level or rapport yet, let alone all the skill lines with two more on the way it's becoming way too much of a grind, It would also be nice to have your companions go on a "quest or mission" while you are not using them like send bastion to go clear a bandit camp and put a timer on that so that he's away on a mission and passively gaining xp/gold/crafting resources kind of like fallout shelters system when you send a vault dweller to the wasteland, also I hope they reconsider certain actions that cause companions to get angry with you and cause negative report like for example, mirri getting angry when you interact with a torchbug even if you don't put it in your inventory she will still consider it as if you harvested it, that is just annoying and makes me want to avoid certain content like interacting with torch bugs, at least fix it so she only loses rapport if you harvest it instead of just interacting and leaving it alone.

    A good example of how they should do companion rapport is what that they did with ember, its completely skill based instead of annoying, ember only gets mad if you get caught breaking the law, but if you are good at sneaking when committing crimes then she will never get mad because you don't get caught, which makes it feel more rewarding being good at doing something rather then being forced unsummon your companion when doing certain activities in-game if you don't want to lose rapport, and if you aren't good at sneaking when pickpocketing for example just unsummon ember until you get those legerdemain passives up. The point I'm trying to make is that with ember its actually hard to get negative rapport doing regular activities in the game and you only get negative rapport if you aren't good at it (Sneaking/breaking the law) and you can do any activity in the game without ember ever getting mad, you want to use blade of woe? go for it, enter dark brotherhood sanctuary go for it, break into houses and steal/pickpocket sure! just don't get caught and you are good, where as with mirri/bastion/Isobel, you get negative rapport if you do regular in-game activities without that option of avoiding it through using your own skill as a player (ex. using blade of woe, entering dark brotherhood sanctuary, stealing...etc) doing those activities makes your companion hate you and when doing them you just have to unsummon them and then resummon them when you are done which is annoying. Those are just my thoughts and what I would like to see with quality of life for the companions system, anyways have a great day everyone!
  • BardokRedSnow
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    While we're on the subject, I've never done the Blackwood first chapter with mirri so I have no idea if she says anything there, but I did do chapters 2 and 3 with her and she pretty much had no unique dialogue that i can recall.

    Isobel definitely did in high isle chapter 1, so for anyone here did Isobel also have lines in Galen or can I safely use Mirri instead just because?
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  • BardokRedSnow
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    As for the other features here, I definitely agree with all that was said, especially duels and such because that would give me further use and entertainment for my arena house lol.

    But for now I just want zos to focus on the bare minimum lol which is dialogue and the same features the new companions have. That said, all those features for them are probably easier to implement than dialogue.

    I imagine developing more quality of life companion features is less expensive because it doesnt really require extra VA lines, vs having to rehire actresses who get paid per piece of dialogue unfortunately. And if their recent decisions in eso show anything, its that they're very concerned with how much money they're making from the game atm, probably due to Bethesda as a whole not having put out much of anything in the last decade that wasn't mmo related nearly.

    edit: or a card game
    Edited by BardokRedSnow on April 12, 2023 1:58PM
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  • NotaDaedraWorshipper
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    I even made a post some time ago how Bastian and Mirri should get a furniture item of their letters just as the new companions have.

    Then there has been numerous requests on the forum for the Blackwood companions to be updated to be on par with the High Isle ones. Especially Bastian who they gave the least content of some stupid reason.

    Makes one wonder if Necrom's companions will be bettered even further, putting the Blackwood ones even further behind the others.
    Edited by NotaDaedraWorshipper on April 12, 2023 4:37PM
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  • Treselegant
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    As interesting as the new DLC story looks I can't help but come back what you and other have been saying here. There won't be any new comments from the oldest companions - nothing new there at all by the sound of it. I have no particular interest in the new companions so that doesn't really help the situation.

    It's just disappointing that requests for updates continue to be ignored. It's going to be so jarring travelling a new plane of Oblivion and still hearing the same limited dialogue I hear stepping outside my house in Wayrest.... :(
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