KilianDermoth wrote: »

@Arbit be prepared for a *** storm and maybe even plenty accusation and insulting 🤣...

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

HA builds that just stand there holding 1 button have a ceiling of about 40k (50-60k if the group is providing all of the buffs/debuffs the trial dummys grant).

HA builds require much more than just "holding 1 button and occasionally buff" to achieve anywhere near the 80k+ that many detractors try to claim they do and those videos of 100k+ parses require perfect timing of DoTs, off balance management, rotations, practice and much more to achieve that result, the average player using a HA build will never get anywhere near that level of damage without putting in the effort to master the HA rotations and uptimes.

Absolutely wrong. The low end of damage - no matter how experienced, good or bad you are - is 80k DPS IF you build correclty. People who cant achieve 80k DPS with this build by just holding down one button just havent built correctly / made mistakes in their build, like choosing wrong CPs, wrong buff food, wrong sets, wrong traits, non golden gear, wrong mundus, wrong race (often very underrated but the right race is necessary to hit 80k just by holding down the left mousebutton!), wrong class (sorcerer does the highest damage right now, every other class is at least slightly below it for this build).

So if you are really (far) below 80k+ your build is just bad and we arent even talking about the same thing (the same build). If you really hit 40k, you probably did almost anything of the mentioned stuff absolutely wrong...

But the real build about which people are talking is just that: get the (very easy obtainable) sets (except the ring, its even the most difficult to obtain piece), choose the right class, choose the right race, choose the right buff food, choose the right CPs, choose the right traits, choose the right skills, choose the right mundus, make everything golden and then just hold down the left mouse button and you are hitting 80k+, no matter how good you are, how bad you are, how long you play, how experienced you are, if you have disabilities or what else, you will hit exactly for 80k+ single target! In AOE situations this build will sometimes even hit for several 100k DPS - just by holding down the left mouse button (again only if you do the correct build).

If you want a proof- which you and the rest will probably just completely ignore again, because I already posted it a few times:
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/yw4bw5/78k_dps_just_from_holding_down_left_click_build/
78k DPS and as you can see in combat metrics, he was just holding down the left mouse button - no skill casts at all. And far beyond your stated 40k... And this is even not the most optimized version of that build (which would hit above 80k)...

And there is even no rotation, timing or something else included in being able to hit 80k+, none at all, you need this only to be able to hit 100-110k+. Also heavy attack weaving is absolutey easy once anyone explained it properly to you and you can do it almost instantly in a perfect way because its really not even close to the difficulty of light attack weaving and you have plenty of wiggle room. It would be a real achievement if someone is unable to heavy attack weave even after he got a proper introduction / explanation.

While light attacking (and for achieveing a tiny bit more damage) you need to (perfectly) hit timeframes lower than 100 ms while for heavy attack weaving you have time frames that are about 2 seconds (about 20x more)...

For a proper rotation on such a build you only have to track about 2 or maybe 3 timers and react only about every 2 seconds, while a 2 bar build can sometimes end up with even more than 10 timers / stack counters and procs that need to be tracked and where you sometimes dynamically have to react in about 1 second while watching all of them and maybe even bar swapping while also perfectly light attack weaving...

The skill gap between mastering both is absolute crazy - while the damage difference is in most cases absolutely neglectible, especially in PUGs and dungeons, where the oakensoul builds (heavy or not) sometimes can even outperform those complex 2 bar builds, because of the permanent buffs of the oakensoul ring and the independence of proper support roles.

Additionally oakensoul onebar users are much more tanky / have much more survivability than most two bar builds that are able to do more damage when perfectly played by the top 1% players, while this build probably can be played by > 99% players after they have properly done that build and figured out / got explained how to play it...

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

It is NOT a 1-button build. Please stop these false assertions. Just play the game the way you like it and let other players play it as they see fit.

It can be if you want it to be - see my link (which is a real proof and not just some blah blah). 80k DPS with a one button build. Up to 100k+ if you choose to do more than just holding down one button. You will do better than probably more than 50% damage dealers you encounter in PUG groups - no matter if you play absolutely one bar or do put a slightly bit more work into it - just by using this build.

Arbit wrote: »

It does invalidate the work you put in. Why bother. What was the point? You can paint it like it’s all me, but I’m sure others see it the same way. Like when we lost progress when cp got raised, like when maelstrom didn’t perfect our weapons when they made perfected versions, and like the heavy attack builds now. It is wasted effort, the changing meta is fine, but don’t make my efforts meaningless unless I’m learning an entirely new system.

Dont bother to much. The folks will keep telling you its a you problem, maybe even start calling names (like elitsist, gatekeeper and whatnot) - thats how they want to shut you / all the discussion about this topic down. Some even directly proposed to shut down the whole thread before it even got started...

They even lie and dont get the facts right... only 40k... not a one button build... yeah...