I know how to report someone ...
But thats no answer to "what is reportable" or better "what are people allowed to do". If f.e. farming inside a keep for an hour without any intent to ever take that keep and just make "funny vids" from doing that farming is considered okay by ZOS there is no reason to report that and just live with it. But how should i know when there is no place to look for the things that are ok?

Tarys wrote: »

Greetings,
Those are the things i can think of which could count as "don´t do it" but ... is there some clarification?

What is not allowed is harassment and trolling. To take the tbag example, it's just crouching. If people reported everyone who crouched near a dead player ZOS would be flooded with reports. Also, context matters and if friends want to tbag each other there's no harm in that. Hence the "ask to stop" thing, it establishes a boundary and imbues subsequent actions with intent.

For most ingame (non-text) actions, I'd expect similar lines. Emotes, mementos, combat actions, etc are all part of normal gameplay. For them to cross the line into harassment there needs to be some evidence of intent and targeting, and communication is the easiest way to establish that. I'm sure you could establish a case in extreme circumstances without asking to stop first, but it would probably be quicker and easier to ask them to stop first.

For text that crosses the line I don't think you need to ask them to stop. If someone is typing slurs in chat or saying offensive things, or harassing you then report them.

As for PVP keep farming or other such things I'd say those things fall into a different realm. I'm not sure where the line is on those things but they're a different type of thing than "Harassment/Bullying/Toxic Gameplay"

Whoah when did T-bagging become a toxic thing?, this has been a thing since the old halo days. Heck yesterday doing the daily random. This dk and i were having full on mad clashes and he murked me and tbagged me. I came back and did the same and then he got me last and did it. I always enjoyed this like "ahahah i got you buddy!", after a mad fight.

I don't do pvp much outside of the daily random due to lag etc but i never thought i would see in my life time one of the oldest taunts getting called toxic.

Also how do you farm the same person over and over in pvp?, that person getting farmed must not have much in the old noggin if they don't know how to leave the area, stealth or run away.

If you go to a place like IC and expect everyone to take it easy on ya then i got a 30 year old car to sell ya.

Heromofo wrote: »

Whoah when did T-bagging become a toxic thing?, this has been a thing since the old halo days. Heck yesterday doing the daily random. This dk and i were having full on mad clashes and he murked me and tbagged me. I came back and did the same and then he got me last and did it. I always enjoyed this like "ahahah i got you buddy!", after a mad fight.

I don't do pvp much outside of the daily random due to lag etc but i never thought i would see in my life time one of the oldest taunts getting called toxic.

Since people started using it to harass others and since Gina explicitly said that if someone asks you to stop, you must stop. Even if you personally think teabagging is never toxic, other players can think otherwise. More importantly, ZOS has said otherwise, and we've all agreed to abide by their interpretation of their own Terms of Service and Code of Conduct.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6962775/#Comment_6962775

BenTSG wrote: »

T-Bagging and hate whispering, sure, I can see that being reportable. Though I have sent my share and seen little to no effort of action being taken, proof included, so I'm not holding my breath.

Now using emotes and momentos, especially emotes in PvP I think is fine. Emotes are there for a reason, and if you're going to taunt someone then at least put in even half the effort to do that instead of T-bagging, at least emotes have lots of different ones you can do. Of course if it annoys people too much and they tell you to stop and you don't, then you could probably be reported for it, but I find that if people are going to get made over being emoted at/on, especially if it's the first time and they take the effort to hate whisper you for it, then they are just toxic themselves and shouldn't really be minded. It's a video game, find something better to do and stop being so serious about the game and get mad over a virtual animation towards your character people!

Emotes are weird when ZOS sells stuff like "Flip the Bird" which is explicitly stated for the purpose of showing disdain to your adversary.

That more than anything illustrates to me the difficulty of trying to draw a hard and fast rule over what's acceptable taunting behavior in PVP and what's not. Like, sure a /bow is more respectful than /sweep, but /kissthis is sold in the Crown Store? Ok...

I've been t-bagged a few times, but I always laugh it off.

Oddly enough, the worst cases of toxicity I've experienced in PvP were from other players in my own alliance.

One time was during a Cyrodiil event several years ago. I'd been running around soloing resources for the resource quests, then decided to join a group that was sieging and defending keeps. After several hours of that, some guy shows up-- I think he must have just logged on-- and starts talking to me in chat but I didn't see it. Then he comes right up to my face and says "you speak english?" I scrolled back, saw his previous question to me about why didn't I have siege equipment so I wouldn't just be standing around. For the record, I was standing by the ram but would move away to stay alive when the enemy targetted the ram. I responded to him with an apology about not having seen his question, but I typed in /zone chat by mistake because I'd been typing in /zone chat earlier that night, whereas he was using /say. So then he insults me for using /zone chat to answer him, and ends with "omg you're a moron." So as soon as we finished taking that keep, I mounted up and rode off to resume soloing resources deep in enemy territory.

Last week I jumped into Cyrodiil but my home campaign was pop-locked with a 33-minute queue, so I joined the other CP campaign-- which was also pop-locked for 2 of the 3 factions (mine included), although it had only a 1-minute queue. My main goal was to complete the daily endeavor-- I think it was for a Chorrol quest-- but I also wanted to have fun helping with the war effort, so I ported and rode to the nearest keep that looked like it had a fight going on. When I got there, the fight was over, everyone from my faction had apparently been driven off, and our camp had been destroyed, so I checked the map for another keep where something was going on, but it looked like most of the keeps we'd had were already flipped. Then I decided to just ride to Chorrol, do the 10 quests for Chorrol and Weynon Priory, and go back to the base game to do my other stuff for the night. On the way, I started harvesting nodes, then this massive parade of players comes into view, escorting a scroll runner back to base. I start riding along with them, but continued to stop to harvest nodes. When we got to our base gate, I peeled off (since the scroll runner was safely through) and rode off toward Chorrol. Then one of the players starts commenting about me in /zone chat, calling me "slow in the head," "you can tell." I did 1 Chorrol quest for the endeavor, queued to IC, then saw that my home campaign had gone down to a 1-minute queue. The other campaign looked like everyone had basically logged out for the night after they got our scroll back and let the other factions capture all of our keeps. So I queued for my home campaign and had a blast for the rest of the night, sieging and defending keeps, burning enemy camps and siege engines, and of course getting killed over and over. I even got several PvP achievements for killing 100 players of various classes or races.

It can be hard, but you just have to try to keep toxic players from pooping on your fun and ruining your day or night. You can't stop them from trying to poop on you, but you can ignore them and just keep on having fun despite them. Their behavior and comments are saying more about them than about you.

Uh, you can usually tell when someone is deliberately being needlessly rude to you.

But you can't know what their day's been like, or even their whole life, so it's best to just let it slide (as long as it isn't outright threatening toward you), ignore them, and move on.

BenTSG wrote: »

I mean, yeah, true, it is on them for selling such emotes as well, but if you really want to taunt someone for one reason or another, it's at least better then T-bagging and has more class and banter to it. Between friends, sure T-bagging is whatever, but to some random person? Come on now, do better...

This ^^^

Had someone challenge me to a duel in Alinor on my Necro healer the other night. I never duel but figured what the heck, might be fun to give it a go on this toon? It never even occurred to me NOT to cast my "illegal" spells while in town. So, of course I aggro some guards during the duel making it a pretty quick end for me. Clearly for that, I deserved to be t-bagged. Then I watch the same person duel other people and treat them respectably enough. Generally, I try to let that stuff roll off my back but I do find it perplexing sometimes how people can be so rude for no apparent reason.

Tarys wrote: »

Thanks for the replies and opinions so far but i looks like noone really has a clue when things are ok and when they are not - besides the obvious things that are a reason to get a ban.

No sane company would f.e. place a shield in a factory stating that ignoring a stop sign while driving a car is sometimes ok ... so leaving things in the hands of someone who just decides according to his mood if people should get a warning for doing so ... not good.

Dude, how is this discussion comparable to a real life hazard?

If someone's being toxic through chat or whispers, just mute them. Problem solved.

If someone t-bags you that's fine, nothing to do go crazy about, just kill them back and do the same. This isn't something to get upset over.

If someone kills you over and over, and if you can't kill them back, do not go near them. If they follow you or farming you, well, that's the nature of pvp. You either go better or just refrain from engaging in pvp if dying over and over disturbs you to a limit where you would want that person to be banned.

maybe its because i dont pvp, but t-bagging is something to get upset about ? really ?

i can see if someone is sending you messages cursing you out or stuff like that. but someone squatting over you after you die is a hate crime now ?

this whole " everything i dont like is toxic " deal is already getting old.

if you keep dying in the same place - dont go to that place.

i remember people sending me hate messages in call of duty because after i killed them, they would just keep going back to the very same place i killed them. like it was an accident that i shot them the first time.

there's so much actual stuff to get angry about -- tbagging shouldnt even be i the top 100.

then again, this post will probably be considered toxic

"teabagging" is not a harmless gesture. it's an explicitly sexual one in the way that mudballing, or flipping the bird, are not.

jle30303 wrote: »

"teabagging" is not a harmless gesture. it's an explicitly sexual one in the way that mudballing, or flipping the bird, are not.

It's not the same thing as some stranger on the street flipping you off. Teabagging is part of the gaming culture and has been a long time. It primarily does not carry that sexual meaning anymore. Holding teabagging equal to things like mudballing is reading waay too much into it.

I had an unusual case of harassment the other day: I had arrived at a chest, with no other player present, had started unlocking it, and noticed just outside the chest unlocking UI that another player had appeared. After I finished unlocking it and retrieved its contents, the other player then started following me everywhere.

I even mounted and galloped away, and the player still followed me. I ended up porting to my house just to get rid of the player. Presumably the player was angry that I'd opened the chest first, and intended to prevent me doing any further harvesting in that zone. Pretty childish if that was indeed the case.

In other words: player harassment comes in many forms. I didn't report this, because it only occurred once. If that player had repeatedly targetted me with that behaviour, I would have reported it, though.

re: teabagging: [snip] may be so normalized to you that it is no longer offensive, but no one has any right to expect others to be okay with it. [snip]

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