thepandalore wrote: »

biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe the distinction is some of us need it, while others don't?

I personally know a few disabled players (paraplegics and neurodivergents with multiple vDLC dungeon challenger/trial achievement clears) who have literally been told after U37, "you don't belong here, you belong in overland" by other endgame raiding communities simply because they use Oakensoul to be able to enjoy the harder content. The U37 Cloudrest change is being used as justification.

There are no neutral or kind words to describe the players employing that kind of ableist gatekeeping. The players who do it deserve to have their accounts terminated.

heard somebody say that they'll only try HA builds if "they became Handicapped" or the *R word* (not even with Oakensoul l0l). Wonder if they'd actually ban someone for Toxicity in this game though.

Heelie wrote: »

when I did the world's highest vHoF score one handed, people told me I wasn't disabled enough on the forums,

Congrats on being so unaffected by your IRL limitations that you can achieve what you have in ESO. Here's your cookie. Not all of us are so fortunate.

Heelie wrote: »

and that disabled people should only play one bar builds.

i haven't seen that point made yet, but i have encountered worse; in reality my point is that everyone should be treated with respect regardless of what kind of build they want to play. i'm emphasizing this very unproblematic stance in response to people i know being dropped from their cores for choosing to use Oakensoul, in content where it doesn't mechanically matter, as a result of U37's changes to Cloudrest

Heelie wrote: »

I find the argument that one bar builds is for disabled people extremely offensive

at times too numerous to mention, as reiterated ad nauseam in this and other threads, ZOS themselves touted Oakensoul as improving content accessibility

Heelie wrote: »

as it projects disabled players as 2nd rank players not as capable as anyone else in the game

what actually projects disabled players as 2nd rank players not as capable as anyone else in the game is the attitude that if someone needs oakensoul to interface with hard content, they don't belong in hard content, not the idea that a new item makes content more accessible.

Heelie wrote: »

Let disabled players decide for themselves what and how they want to play

that's exactly what i hope will continue happening

Heelie wrote: »

and stop speaking on their behalf

i'll speak on my own behalf whenever i damn well please, thank you very little. i'm only speaking for those i've referenced because they've given me their blessing to do so. not you. you don't get to speak for me, either, mr. world record holder.

Heelie wrote: »

From my experience disabled players are underrepresented among one bar players, from the 45 players I know personally with physical disabilities less than 5 plays exclusively one bar builds.

From my experience disabled players are overrepresented among individuals who exclusively use 1-bar builds as DPS in endgame content; I and the people I have permission to speak for all have more than one toon, and we engage with different levels of content; none of us are exclusively 1-bar

Heelie wrote: »

Being critical of oakensoul is not ableist

i never said that; there's plenty to be critical of; the only point i'm making is how wrong it is that individuals who use oakensoul to successfully interface with harder content are being blocked out of said content by members of the playerbase whose problems with the Oakensoul HA builds essentially boil down to resentment over a perceived lack of effort when compared to high APM builds

Heelie wrote: »

emplying that disabled players can't comprehend two bars and weaving is tho

for someone who claims to be disabled, you seem to be having an issue understanding a critical point here. some disabilities, unlike yours, have a limiting effect on the APMs a player is capable of performing. sometimes those limiting factors are related to sensory or perception problems, and sometimes they're physical. 1-bar oakensoul HA builds make endgame content more accessible to people whose disabilities, unlike yours, actually affect their ability otherwise enjoy ESO's harder content.

sh4d0wh4z3 wrote: »

Auldwulfe wrote: »

By the way, NO OAKENSOUL, and still hitting 85k with only 3 buttons and the mouse... if I wanted permanent Empower, just go with Queen's Elegance, from Auridon, overland. Every time you do damage you get 3 seconds of empower... with heavy attacks, that would be pretty much as long as you attacked

Rotation is MUCH harder WITH Oakensoul .... the combo of Sergeant's mail and lightning staff is the real issue --- I use critical surge, once every 33 seconds.... and it even heals me when I crit my 60% of the time.... and right now, I've chosen the 10 second empower from the Mages guild, which also blocks sneak attack stuns on me...... and my pets - as daedric prey is still putting in a LOT of damage... same on both bars, with identical staves... so a one bar, even if I accidentally hit the flip button....
Sadly, I lost the buffs I used to put on my party, but they can rejoice in not having to come to close to Oakensoul.....

Easier rotation, clearing just as fast, if not faster, just as tanky with CP, Undaunted, and being Imperial, and I could, if I wanted toss points into health, as the new scaling makes it even easier to be MORE tanky, without losing damage ....

It's as if Oakensoul wasn't the issue, here .......



Auldwulfe

Empower is the issue, and since it's a part of Oakensoul, that also makes it an issue. With all the other buffs, it's better to use Oakensoul rather than source it from elsewhere. Since a lot more players are using this setup and from the bits of data we've seen, there's less of a need for support to give out buffs if most everybody is running oakensoul. This would affect conventional two bar players who can't supply those buffs themselves. Plus the tankiness that comes with it.

Nerfing empower back to 40% would fix the issue a lot. I won't be surprised they tune the two popular set pieces either if they do an empower nerf.

Yes, but taking Oakensoul from me removed the 2 or more buffs I always supplied, just to have the damage .... without Oakensoul, you get less team buffs, because each person is forced to slot skills for their own DPS...

But..... the Oakenphobes won't have to worry about Oakencooties .... so I guess it's a win?

Of course, the fact that I used to use it to help new players learn mechanics in dungeons doesn't matter .... I guess they don't matter, either .... can't bring Vigor anymore, so no reliable group heal for learning people.... can't hit them with buffs, or enhancements to help their crit..... etc.

What it did do was allow me to watch over the newer people, and be able to fill in, get them through a dungeon, and start getting them gear that they could use to make their own builds..... but that doesn't appear to be wanted in the game.... all while virtue signaling how "oakensoul keeps people from learning"....

I stopped running my champion tank for anything outside of guild stuff, due to toxic people.... guess I won't be helping new players learn the ropes, either ..... is ok, though, I have enough guild members and others to easily do up to 8 or 9 "randoms" a day .... I will be getting my transmutes, and filling the few missing bits on my stickerbook.... just won't be able to spend the time and energy to help others get there, anymore.

Auldwulfe

@AdamLAD except for the fact that PvE is more cooperative than competitive by nature.

Btw, I found the perfect solution - give Oakensoul the "Pale Order nerf" treatment: only the Empower buff loses 3/4% of its efficacy for each member you are grouped with.

This way in a Trial it would give only around 40% buff as people asked, but those who play solo wouldn't be taken out of content. Also, everything else (CPs, trifocus, ecc) could remain untouched.

Devs, here's your solution if you are considering a nerf
And everyone's happy.

SkaiFaith wrote: »

@AdamLAD except for the fact that PvE is more cooperative than competitive by nature.

Btw, I found the perfect solution - give Oakensoul the "Pale Order nerf" treatment: only the Empower buff loses 3/4% of its efficacy for each member you are grouped with.

This way in a Trial it would give only around 40% buff as people asked, but those who play solo wouldn't be taken out of content. Also, everything else (CPs, trifocus, ecc) could remain untouched.

Devs, here's your solution if you are considering a nerf
And everyone's happy.

No, everyone would not be happy. Nerf Oakensoul and it's a dealbreaker for me, it's the only thing keeping those of us with physical challenges in the game. I'm sick and tired of these threads asking to nerf something because people can't handle the fact that someone else might have a chance to play more difficult content. Who cares? What does it take away from you personally if someone else can accomplish something? Nothing - that's what.

SkaiFaith wrote: »

@AdamLAD except for the fact that PvE is more cooperative than competitive by nature.

Btw, I found the perfect solution - give Oakensoul the "Pale Order nerf" treatment: only the Empower buff loses 3/4% of its efficacy for each member you are grouped with.

This way in a Trial it would give only around 40% buff as people asked, but those who play solo wouldn't be taken out of content. Also, everything else (CPs, trifocus, ecc) could remain untouched.

Devs, here's your solution if you are considering a nerf
And everyone's happy.

Except those of us who are thrilled to have more people doing more content for the first time, or that even pugs are almost bearable now. In fact, the only ones happy are the ones with whom this item isn't affecting, but wants it nerfed "just because".

I used to joke on the pvp forums(years ago) about how the developers/teams must hate reading them due to the "king of the hill" mentality and every change was met with gnashing teeth and wails of outrage/despair. That I wouldn't blame them one bit for making ridiculous changes since no one's happy. Yet here we are on an item purposely nerfed for pvp, yet allows others to play pve better. I can que for a quick pug now and not worry about someone doing 5k dps most times. We have people more confident doing higher content, and willing to learn. It makes your teammates more tanky? GOOD, you WANT your partner as strong as possible! They have lower dps, but it's acceptable.

I use it when my arthritis is particularly bad(or to prevent it sometimes) but it will NEVER do the dps, have the versatility/flexibility my 2 bars have. Zos did a GREAT job of raising the floor, without lowering the ceiling, and many of us who can, and have done "the two bar" dps are thrilled. But then there are those at the ceiling who are offended that the "unworthy peasants" can almost touch their feet.

I think the biggest disconnect here, though, is that the people against it, don't use it, and have NO IDEA, really, of what they are talking about.

So, let's look at what it really does...... all the requirements in DLC and grinding have already been covered.... so let's talk.
I have used it as a healer... why, it let me keep up with the zerging duel bar dungeon rushers in Pug dungeons..... as I got really tired of being called a "Fake Healer" because you can't heal people through walls, and when you have 2 DPS people in 2 different spots...... well, there you go. That was the first place I actually used it..... then I tried it ON my Duel Wield Templar.... just because I was getting frustrated with that character, as I couldn't get a niche he played in.... and yeah, it sort of helped, as long as All I wanted to do was flurry along.....so I took it off, as it was TOO limiting.

Tried it on a nightblade... didn't even finish the delve, before I took it off.....
My DK Fire Mage... nope
MY Warden Frost Mage... nope
I do use it, occasionally, on my DK Tank.... because in PUG dungeons, not everyone bothers to work with people, or bring their own buffs... and again, it gave me enough support there, but also limits me to ONE taunt... and a very small pool of skills.... so I either have to stop between fights, if I can, to swap to other skills, or must rely on being a one trick pony, and hope it works.

So, where does it seem to be overpowered....
One combo is the ONLY place it is an issue ... and that is with lightning staves, and heavy attack armor sets ....
AND, you can get the same exact abuse without it.... many of us have proven.... and it is ridiculously easy to do so. For that matter, I can take a SORC, and only EVER use 3 buttons, and one of those, only once every 33 seconds, and get HIGHER DPS, that I get using the Oakensoul on that build... as well as a unique buff that you can't get from Oakensoul.

As another person put it, DPS is all that matters... well, I can hit HIGHER DPS with LESS work, without Oakensoul.....and do it while making two identical bars ... so even if I am swapping, there is nothing gained......

The issue has NOTHING to do with Oakensoul.... it's being used as an excuse..... because it's "NEW and SCARY"

What it does do, is allow people to come to terms with HOW the buffs work in game, and learn how things interact ... I learned more about set combinations, after I practiced with it, for a bit, than I ever knew before...... because NOW, I could see how those buffs worked in action.

Hence WHY I asked the one guy to show me it was too powerful with a BOW... which, while I appreciate the videos, does not help his argument as much as was thought. Snipe Spam was around a LONG time before Oakensoul..... I used it on a Wood Elf forever.. with the set that slowed targets and sped me up, to support my Kiting......and it still uses stamina... you have to manage resources.
The reason that people claim Oakensoul users DON'T have to manage resources is because NO HA style has to worry about resources.... take a bow, go hold your mouse button..... or a 2H weapon.... you get stamina BACK with each swing..... if that's all you do, you don't worry about resources..... pretty simple, to be honest.

And Empower is not the problem, as it would then be showing up with EVERY type of heavy attack. overpowering them, not just lightning..... and we are not seeing duel wields running around relying on empower, despite being the highest DPS weapon style... or fire staves, or ice staves, etc.....

The issue is that lightning is both single target AND AOE..
Sometimes the splash damage seems to hit a huge area, and other times, it doesn't hit the guy touching the target (I assume that is positional lag), but it is reliable, by itself in both situations.....

The abuse is strictly in the interaction with lightning staves and sets that boost heavy attacks ... but really isn't out of line with people combining Pillars of Nirn with other sets ..... or ball groups.... or Mara's Balm.... and so on.

What we have are horse and buggy people, angry that the car owner doesn't need to do all the maintenance to care for a horse.... I can imagine what hunter gatherers, using sticks to dig would think of modern engineered shovels......

New tools are created, and if it gives me a bigger pool of people to work with, when it comes to running content, then I am all for it, and like a gentleman above stated (I am avoiding naming names.... but I, very much, respect your statements), I am against nerfing it... because it DOES allow so many people that, for various reasons, couldn't enjoy mid parts of the game, to now do so.

Will it be abused.... history shows that some people WILL abuse anything, given the opportunity.
And, honestly, I think the reason it's the rage with videos on youtube has NOTHING to do with how it works, or not....
The people hating on Oakensoul are falling for clickbait.... the "influencers" are suddenly realizing what HA players already knew... and hyping it to idiotic proportions...... and on some of these videos, seeing where things jump, I wonder how MANY edits they did to get what they claim they did.

At this point, nerfing Oakensoul would guarantee that the exodus this time, would make the U35 Exodus look like a leaky faucet next to an, in use, firehose. If we are really honest, we are playing a game that has been in BETA for nearly a decade..... with huge sweeping combat changes, at least once a year over it's history... and that has more and more competition popping up every month.

The game has really NEVER had combat balance (DK go Brrrrr), but I remember when Templars were king...... and NB ganking has yet to go out of style..... feel bad for Necros and Sorcs, right now, because they are being pushed into HA styles to keep up...... but that's probably so the Arcanist can sell the next expansion.

In the end, I would imagine a LOT of people are using it because, right now, it works..... not because they specifically want to. I would LOVE to have my Sorc out there, being a master of the magics in Tamriel.. tossing "Enemies Explode" from Oblivion, and so on... but they tied magic to "wizzy sticks" that anyone can wiggle for effect.... and the class skills are kind of meh..... and due to console limitations... you can't carry that many, anyways... combined with poor design choices when it comes to pet management.

If I truly wanted to be a damage and play god... I'd go DK, with the lighting staff with fire glyph to help burn... 2 bars, and really lean into the focus..... imagine using Ash Cloud with it's 18 second snare at 70%, to control choke points, a quick firebreath to get the burning started, and then the lighting staff, on all those close together, snared targets..... and Occult Overload thrown in for a little extra love and joy.........Even with the change to Helping Hands, which a lot of us never relied on, much, anyways... you can STILL use a glyph to make Ashen Cloud a FREE DPS Snare that applies status...... and you worry about lightning staves.

Auldwulfe

AdamLAD wrote: »

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

I'm not talking about mechanics tho ? Why even bring that up into the argument. Completely irrelevant. I'm purely talking about DPS. So please literally just talk about DPS. People who put effort into the game and learn there rotations should be able to do all content and people who just want to slap on a mythic and do next to nothing shouldn't. Its as simple as that. As harsh as it sounds. How about in the next boxing match I give Connor mcgreger performance enhancing drugs as he is clearly inferior to Floyd mayweather just so he can do better. Sounds Completely stupid. Oakensoul is the same principle.

Because this is simply a misconception of you. DPS alone will not enable you to do any content. As simple as that. There is nothing more to be said about it.

Your attaching irrelevant arguments to my logic just to try and justify yourself. I know DPS will not allow you to complete content but higher DPS helps. My entire argument is that you should not be able to do aswell IN TERMS of DPS just for slapping on one item. Do not try and attach other things involving PvE other than DPS. Because I'm literally not talking about that.

It doesn't matter if you talk about it or not, they are connected whether you like it or not. You can't simply compare damage alone as there's so much more you HAVE to factor in.

You mentioned you're playing PvP and you know that you can't simply say that someone is easy to kill just because they have low resistances. You need to factor in the enemy moving, hiding, shielding and healing themself.

What's the point of nerfing it anyway? I don't run magicka, so it's my perspective only.
For soloing I'd prefer pale order in most cases, in the toughest ones - sithis, or even serpent coil if I don't need so much survivability. I might as well go with a 5-piece set. For me it underperforms in all scenarios. It's great if you aren't good with your rotation though. Or if you run a lightning staff. The latter is the problem, not this mythic.

Tia413 wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I have a proposed solution: People should mind their own busness and stop complaining about other people having fun in ways that doesn't interfere with the complainers' own game experiences.

End of problem.

@FrancisCrawford 100%this

Mhmm and most of the time I endeavor to do exactly that.

I hear this argument passed around alot. The problem is this is an MMO and anything they add to the game, is going to impact other players as well, regardless of what you or I think about it.

I'll give you a case in point, a favorite little set of mine was Sheer Venom. For a long long time the set wasn't well known. And then came the day when all the streamers could do was talk about it. They ran out of ideas I suppose so they came for my Sheer Venom set and what do you it was nerfed along with a host of other sets that were blanket nerfed as well in one fell swoop.

And the same applies to Oak. It provides an alarming number of free buffs and makes the user notably 'strong' in interesting ways. It affects other players who in time provide ZOS with their feedback on the set as well as sometimes online vids of how others use it. Just like other strong sets did and they were all eventually nerfed in some meaningful way.

Again, I understand the want for convenience but this 'entitlement' thing with Oak has to stop. And every single person on here should know that especially in this MMO no one is entitled to anything and nothing is immune from being nerfed. Not your set or mine.

@Vulkunne for once I am gonna agree with you on 99% of what you said......

"Entitlement "is as bad of a choice of word usage as was my "created" choice , that I deleted. At least imo it is.

I agree with you about "word of mouth" and how it can spread and do damage as fast as a Stage 4 STD can.

The community just can't keep the info about their current builds, sets, skill usage, etc to themselves.
I understand we are supposed to help each other with these things BUT when we do try to share these helpful things
on the forums, on Reddit or other such platforms or via streaming to whichever venue you prefer...what happens next?

Someone comes along and finds a way to use what info you offered up as help in your chat with them, post or video, as an exploit. Or gets jealous and calls for a nerf of this or that.
I have seen it happen too many times on this game (as well as others).
IK this info is supposed to be helpful to not only players but to ZOS too, but I have found it to be more harmful than good.

Just like I am upset with a certain well known ESO build web site owner for posting up some builds that he has that make it extremely harder for those us trying to make a buck in the game or play the game in a way that is comfortable for our RL situation/impairment. And I have stopped using his stuff altogether as my go to person for info because of this.
***I won't link to any of his videos that I am speaking about so don't ask me to. All I will say about 1 of his builds is that we might as well still have BOTS in the game.

Some years back I fell under the knife of a gear nerf just like you did. I had to completely re-think/redo my whole build. I wasn't exploiting in any way. I had just managed to come across a very delicious build through trial and error.
I openly spoke about it (the gear I was using, skills I used, where I had cp points allocated, etc). Just trying to be helpful and share my knowledge with others. And it back fired on me.

Now I tell no one that info. I know skills and if a person is using the Oakensoul ring are easy for some to find out (quite a few addons show this info) and I can't do anything about that , but only ZOS has access to what gear I am using and where I have my CP pts allocated.
And I am in no way obligated to answer any person that should happen to ask me what gear I am wearing. The only person who has a right to know that info is ZOS.
And this comes from a person who doesn't have a single selfish bone in her body.
Case in point: I once fed a homeless person Thanksgiving dinner because we had enough to not only feed 6 people but a small army and knew I would get beat for doing so...I did what I felt was the right thing to do. No regrets.(*** Again, I want no sympathy!)

I do agree that Empower on the ring doesn't really help LA builds(which is what I use) and to remove it wouldn't hurt me much at all, but that does not make it fair to HA users, imo.
I would never call for a nerf of the ring just because HA users do more DPS than I do.

That's called jealousy... a very evil sin. And is Toxic.

And the very thing that is starting to make MMO's not look appetizing to many people any longer.

And even though I was advised to use MMO's by a Therapist back in 2003 as a method to socialize due to having Social Anxiety Disorder I find it best to barely talk ingame or even on a games' forums. Because of the Toxicity.
And the very reason why I stick to myself, don't do group content, and while playing only pay 10% attention to what others are doing or saying around me.
Even though this is an MMO and I should be interacting with others.
It's just sad that it has had to come down to this.

Exactly. I can def see myself going thru similar situations from your post. Case in point I'm beginning a new job now for similar reasons. Not ESO's fault on that one but I kind of realized that I was in a situation where the right choice now was to make the absolute best move I can to help myself. And it worked like a Tom Brady hail mary pass straight to the end zone.

Several days after leaving my old job I felt a great amount of relief, unintentionally, and not out of bitterness. It seems the stress from that hot mess I was dealing with was eating me alive like a cancer and I hadn't even realized it. Good news is I have removed as much of that cancer as possible (unfort without any Anesthesia). Hey I'm a Doctor.. kind of.

Anyways, there's your dose of drama for today. Have fun now.

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

Your attaching irrelevant arguments to my logic just to try and justify yourself. I know DPS will not allow you to complete content but higher DPS helps. My entire argument is that you should not be able to do aswell IN TERMS of DPS just for slapping on one item. Do not try and attach other things involving PvE other than DPS. Because I'm literally not talking about that.

You wrote:

AdamLAD wrote: »

People who put effort into the game and learn there rotations should be able to do all content and people who just want to slap on a mythic and do next to nothing shouldn't.

You basically say that it is DPS who allows doing all content and people using OS ring do nothing for doing all content. And this is just utterly wrong. First you have to do HA, even with HA you do animation cancelling and you still need to time the HA. And you still have to play the mechanics irrespective of the way how you achieve your DPS. So it is entirely wrong what you say here.

I also would ask you to consider following:
Each game, particularly MMOs such as ESO live from the players that play the game and are ready to pay for new content. This money is used to create new content keeping the game fresh and alive and players interested in the game. If no new content will be released the game will die eventually because players will start abandoning the game. This means fewer people will pay money that also is used to keep servers running and being maintained. In the end the costs for running ESO servers will be so high compared to the inflow of money that they will just turn off the servers. So YOU as much as any other ESO player should have an interest in keeping player numbers high.

Now with your elitist attitude how much do you think will ESO remain attractive for newer players? Your attitude is: "We the elite who have invested years in training of timing button pressing should have access to all content while the plebs should just enjoy the content that we allow them to untill they proved worthy" Do you think this is an economically sustainable approach for ZOS to keep up a sufficiently large playerbase to pay for new content?

> First you have to do HA, even with HA you do animation cancelling and you still need to time the HA
Can't really call it HA animation cancelling. It's literally holding one button down with tape basically and pressing a button every couple of seconds. Medium attack weaving, sure, that's animation cancelling. Full heavies are not.

> And you still have to play the mechanics irrespective of the way how you achieve your DPS
Yes. Valid argument. Players do need to move out of aoes. But for OS builds that's it.

Hold left mouse, click a button every few seconds, press WASD. Oh and also they need to do the mechanics of breathing and looking at the screen.

Point is that OS players can slap on an item which right now is pay-to-win for a lot of people (saying that you gave effort to get it whilst that's like 2 hours max isn't too much of an effort in an MMORPG...) and you can do a lot of damage from holding your left button and moving out of AOEs which surprise-surprise everyone has to do. It's ranged, it's AOE and in a couple of scenarios 2bar builds will be out DPSd because of how selfish the build is, how long-range and AOE it is and because you can use light armor and just pen the crap out of it.

Zastrix wrote: »

> First you have to do HA, even with HA you do animation cancelling and you still need to time the HA
Can't really call it HA animation cancelling. It's literally holding one button down with tape basically and pressing a button every couple of seconds. Medium attack weaving, sure, that's animation cancelling. Full heavies are not.

> And you still have to play the mechanics irrespective of the way how you achieve your DPS
Yes. Valid argument. Players do need to move out of aoes. But for OS builds that's it.

Hold left mouse, click a button every few seconds, press WASD. Oh and also they need to do the mechanics of breathing and looking at the screen.

Point is that OS players can slap on an item which right now is pay-to-win for a lot of people (saying that you gave effort to get it whilst that's like 2 hours max isn't too much of an effort in an MMORPG...) and you can do a lot of damage from holding your left button and moving out of AOEs which surprise-surprise everyone has to do. It's ranged, it's AOE and in a couple of scenarios 2bar builds will be out DPSd because of how selfish the build is, how long-range and AOE it is and because you can use light armor and just pen the crap out of it.

That the OS is selfish: Could be. I haven't used it on one of my characters myself as my dungeon and trial toon is largely a heal (which is just HA with some skill spamming and a really easy play toon according to your opinion and you ALWAYS quickly find a random group which is a huge asset in these days)

Actually this aspect that you point out is again supporting the opinion that it is much ado about very little. Most end game groups will require people to have synergizing sets that provide buffs to the entire group. Even for dds. A group that is fine for vet hardmode dlc trials with one or more dds running OS will be rare and I am pretty sure NOT random trial groups.

Anyhow as someone who tries since two years to get into a regular vet trial group without much success indicates following things:
- the player base doing end game content is small which makes it a considerable hurdle to access end game content even for very good players - irrespective of how they achieve their dps
- end game content (hard mode, hard mode speed runs, hard mode no death runs and such) is likely NOT with a random group. Let the groups decide themselves what they accept in their group. If you don't like players to carry OS your group can set up this as requirement. Going for end game content and considering that OS - as you say - is selfish it would be adviseable to do so.

So summa summarum I think it is a none problem. Nothing is taken away from you.

Also: ZOS has apparantly decided some time ago that they wanted to modify the combat focus anyhow. They reduced somehow the damage to be achieved with LA weaving as they wanted players to focus more on the boss and the mechanics. I guess OS is just one brick in focussing combat more on the mechanics than on generating high dps anyhow. And I suspect that ZOS probably sees a need to make content more accessible. I think they have really good reasons to do so.

As I said: An MMO with a dwindling player base will eventually die.