Onebar builds made their way to endgame PvE

freespirit · March 2023

As an elderly person who has ALWAYS struggled with bar swapping and even pre-oakensoul was basically playing only using one bar, the ring has really increased my enjoyment of many activities!

I don't have the standard Sorc HA build because I don't like it, I do have a Templar, Warden and a Sorc that use the ring but they don't follow any online builds, I have put them together myself.

I am sure there are many, many people whose life has been made easier just needing to use one bar, I have a disabled friend who loves it and my arthritic hands are very happy too.

Every time something new changes the meta people scream and shout for it to be changed, Oakensoul has already been nerfed, leave it alone, it makes playing much more fun for many more people than a few trials groups who get to complete achievements with it!!

spartaxoxo · March 2023

Barto92 wrote: »

.Either get rid of bar swaps, la weaving and animation canceling or properly reward effort put into ALL playstyles. Not just buff one to met results which others are giving.

Which other playstyle? 2 bar builds are already better and encompass a large variety of builds. Most other builds are 1 bar. I'm genuinely not sure which playstyle is getting left out of rewards. Could you elaborate?

QuietPanda_22 · March 2023

This argument is asinine. It doesn't affect you or your end game. Is it a jealously thing? Is it no longer being able to boast about your completion over others who use the 'easier' build? That's what I'm reading from a lot of the comments that are against Oakensoul.

I play both 2 bar builds and the 1 bar HA with oakensoul and I enjoy both. Yes, my 2 bar builds get higher damage but it's nice to have an easy build. I have guildies with accessibility issues that have been able to finally complete trifectas in DLC dungeons because of the HA builds. And they finally feel a boost of confidence to try them! And to try trials! And to try to complete VMA and VVH! For those without accessibility issues, sometimes it's nice to be able to focus on learning the mechanics without having to worry about keeping up your rotation so nothing falls off.

In my opinion, Oakensoul is a doorway to allow players to concentrate more on enjoying the game and try the end game content that they never thought they would get to try.

Cazador · March 2023

[snip] Nothing has been taken away from you regardless of how you initially did these trifectas. The people using oakensoul had to learn mechanics the same as anyone else. The effort they had to put in is just as genuine as anyone else's.

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Kisakee · March 2023

Lumenn wrote: »

Cazador wrote: »

So more players are getting into much harder content with the help of oakensoul and clearing it? What's the problem exactly?

Apparently the problem is unless you have the physical ability, a great ping, and stand in front of a dummy for hours tapping buttons you're not worthy to see the end game, even with a lower score.

[snip] People just don't accept that content becomes outdated and that power creep will always catch up on some point. [snip]

And it's not like HA builds actually do all the learning, positioning and management for you. You still need skill and situational awareness, a DD dealing even 200k is completely useless if they are dead all the time.

[edited for baiting]

Lumenn · March 2023

Kisakee wrote: »

Lumenn wrote: »

Cazador wrote: »

So more players are getting into much harder content with the help of oakensoul and clearing it? What's the problem exactly?

Apparently the problem is unless you have the physical ability, a great ping, and stand in front of a dummy for hours tapping buttons you're not worthy to see the end game, even with a lower score.

[snip] People just don't accept that content becomes outdated and that power creep will always catch up on some point. [snip]

And it's not like HA builds actually to all the learning, positioning and management for you. You still need skill and situational awareness, a DD dealing even 200k is completely useless if they are dead all the time.

I agree. On many of the other anti oak builds (with the same themes and names coming up SO often they're blurring together) so many of us have provided SO many facts. It devolves into a basic "I'm so awesome cause I can bar swap and one bar is cheating" vs "I can bar swap too and one bar is fine". Then it gets REALLY stupid. Zos raised the floor without lowering the ceiling and they did it RIGHT. Some still see it as their button mashing kingdom crumbling though. MOST of us are just happy to have more people who can do trials and even make pugs better. It's a win all around if you care about the game.

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Marcus684 · March 2023

Barto92 wrote: »

…That's why it's goofy and unfair having one very specific playstyle giving almost if not the same results as traditional doublebar build requring more handwork and skills usage...

You keep repeating this same claim that has been debunked multiple times. Oaken builds are NOT on par with 2-bar builds. Period. A well-designed and well-played 2-bar build will outperform a well-designed and well-played 1-bar build by a significant amount every time. If this ever changes then I’ll accept that you may have a point but until then this just looks like sour grapes to me.

Snamyap · March 2023

Barto92 wrote: »

Question still remains: What about tons of people who dedicated time perfecting certain playstyle forced by ZOS combat team themselves when one day appears the build and lefts all that effort in trashcan?

Sounds like you hated every minute of it...

Amottica · March 2023

When running with my more casual guild I saw a player using only one bar in fights well before the ring. Do not see the big deal here.

Kisakee · March 2023

Barto92 wrote: »

Question still remains: What about tons of people who dedicated time perfecting certain playstyle forced by ZOS combat team themselves when one day appears the build and lefts all that effort in trashcan?

Nobody is forcing you to do anything, you can still say "no" if you don't want to do something. And of course you have to life with the outcome but if you want the best result that's on you, not ZOS.

ZOS_Icy · March 2023

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