Chests and bank accounts per character not account.

Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

Hello. I am new to the forum. I want the characters to have separate chests and bank accounts. Today, there are plenty of skill points and skyshards spread out throughout the game. Players are using a character to enhance their other characters. I see nothing wrong with purchasing skills with crowns, but the ability to enhance a low-level character to the point of invincibility has become game breaking in the low level pvp areas. As we level up, we get certain items that are linked to that character. I feel that it should be the same for bank accounts and chests. This way, you are forced to build a new character from the ground up, rather than use another character to manipulate the game to your favor. I had one character on console before the end of the Bretons legacy. That character was a thief, assassin, grand master crafter, antiquities master, master wizard, maxed out fighter's guild, and maxed out assault and support all in one. It's very possible today. It's time to put the manipulations in the past. Please can we make this happen. There are under 20 level pvp players that are not healing or defending themselves. They just stand there and take damage and there is nothing npc's or players can do to stop them. It makes the game unbalanced and unplayable.

fizl101 · February 2023

Making the chests and banks per character wont fix people creating gear and putting it on their new characters, if the bank isn't shared it will just get mailed. Crafted gear isn't character bound. Last thing I want is my account wide sticker book and gear created from it to be character bound. I only have 4 characters and do not want to make them all crafters etc, let alone the additional resources required

Snamyap · February 2023

Yeah, let's inconvenience everybody because of low lvl pvp. On the other hand: having my bank space increased 12-20 times over sounds tempting...

Grizzbeorn · February 2023

Lucien_Torriel wrote: »

Please can we make this happen.

NO thank you.

DocFrost72 · February 2023

Is your standard for players being overpowered overland content? If so, I am going to politely disagree that the issue you're raising is even an issue.

And, respectfully, anyone who attempts to nerf my bank space values or the convenience of gear swapping is going to very quickly catch a meteor or twelve.

Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

Say you are first starting the game. No champion points. First character. You attempt to play every aspect of the game. You want to because it's fun. You want to get the achievements. You want to explore and experience the PVP areas. You find out that you are pretty good. Then another player comes along with their perfectly crafted armor set, made by another character. You use your skills. You only have had access to overland or pvp armor and weapon sets. You attack them, and nothing happens. They take 0 damage and they made no attempt to block your attack. How would you feel? it's not an inconvenience. It makes the game more enjoyable. Getting to restart on a new character, doing the crafting writs, exploring the zone. Clearing delves. Meeting the NPC Characters. That is what makes the game enjoyable. It's a fantasy RPG. Key acronym. Roleplaying Game. If you are using a completely different character to enhance another character. You take the roleplaying out of it. I agree with the bank account space. I feel that it should be larger, but with individual bank accounts per character, it may not have to be.

Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

You wouldn't have a meteor at under level 20.

Grizzbeorn · February 2023

Lucien_Torriel wrote: »

Say you are first starting the game. No champion points. First character. You attempt to play every aspect of the game. You want to because it's fun. You want to get the achievements. You want to explore and experience the PVP areas. You find out that you are pretty good. Then another player comes along with their perfectly crafted armor set, made by another character. You use your skills. You only have had access to overland or pvp armor and weapon sets. You attack them, and nothing happens. They take 0 damage and they made no attempt to block your attack. How would you feel?

Then you play the game and practice and get better, just like that player had to do when they started with their first character.

Lucien_Torriel wrote: »

It makes the game more enjoyable.

That's YOUR opinion of what makes the game *more* enjoyable.
So, you can play that way if you want to, but you are not, and should not be, the arbiter of what constitutes "more enjoyable" for other people who play this game.

fizl101 · February 2023

You aren't taking the roleplaying out of it. Not all of my characters roleplay a love of crafting or exploring. Yes your character now in under 50 may have no CP, but it doesn't take long to hit 50 and have CP etc. Then what? Either create another character that goes into under 50 PVP or go into one of the other campaigns. some people like under 50 and perfect what they do in there, so once their character hits 50 they delete it and create another one.

Not everyone wants to explore and craft especially if they are going to delete those characters on a regular basis

Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

[Snip]. It's not about practice, or getting better.It's about using a character to enhance a low level character with weapons and gear that is nearly impossible to acquire in overland or pvp areas at that level. Nobody has enough gold to purchase legendary gear at under level 20 when they are first starting out.

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Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

Is single handedly taking over Cyrodill really that important to throw away endless amounts of crafting materials and/or gold?

fizl101 · February 2023

Lucien_Torriel wrote: »

[Snip]. It's not about practice, or getting better.It's about using a character to enhance a low level character with weapons and gear that is nearly impossible to acquire in overland or pvp areas at that level. Nobody has enough gold to purchase legendary gear at under level 20 when they are first starting out.

[Snip], I know exactly what you are asking, but I disagree with it. Under 50 PVP is not only for people who are entering PVP for the first time. Some people (and I am advocating for other people here as PVP isn't my bag) really enjoy under 50 PVP and spend all of their time in there.

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DocFrost72 · February 2023

I was going to quote but that's a mighty wall of text.

I'm not sure what you're talking about: pvp? Pve? Overland overworld content?

If we're discussing option one, I guarantee equally geared players, one new, and one experienced, will play out as you mentioned regardless. New players are...new. they don't know how the game works.

If you're discussing pve or overland, I'm sorry but I just... I don't see it as an issue at all.

Wait a minute...

Lucien_Torriel wrote: »

You wouldn't have a meteor at under level 20.

[Snip]

[Edited for minor bait]

Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

And I am explaining to you why they enjoy it so much. They need to go back to CP PVP and pick on someone their own size. Level 32 nightblade killed 1000+ CP players in CP Cyrodill. Level 32 nightblade couldn't cause lower-level players any damage in under 50 Cyrodill. NPC's couldn't cause that player any damage either. They just stood there, not blocking attacks. Just waiting for the resource deposit to switch to their favor, while standing in the NPC area of attacks.

Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

This is a valid topic thread that I have created. I was looking for mature, Intelligent conversation. The troll here is you. Move on.

DocFrost72 · February 2023

Lucien_Torriel wrote: »

They need to go back to CP PVP and pick on someone their own size.

Because "someone" got killed in pvp, I should be inconvenienced in the overworld?

Edit:

Lucien_Torriel wrote: »

This is a valid topic thread that I have created. I was looking for mature, Intelligent conversation. The troll here is you. Move on.

Bye

Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

I have played PVP a lot. Everyone gets killed. You die, you respawn and get back into the fight. It's about creating a fair and balanced PVP game. I am not concerned about inconvenienced trolls. If it's too much work to build another RPG character from the ground up, maybe you are playing the wrong game.

opalcity · February 2023

It's not taking the role-playing out of it - What if someone roleplays as a character who likes to help out new characters? A benefactor who puts their experience and resources into helping out and developing because they faced struggles in grinding up and want to pay it forward? I often make and donate training gear to new guild members, but also all of my characters are thematically connected regardless of race, class, or faction.

The only part of your post I agree with is that there should be character bank accounts, but that is purely to increase inventory space for people who don't want/can't afford eso+

Meiox · February 2023

Yeah sure, because of low level pvp, they should nerf the game for everyone, even pve.

jm42 · February 2023

even if you remove better gear from senior players making alts they still will be better then you because of their knowledge, expirience and skills. so your message basically looks like "delete all exp gamers because they are better"

bmnoble · February 2023

No thank you.

Even if you got what you suggested it would not fix the issue you want fixed, it would just inconvenience every player in the game for no benefit what so ever. People use there bank and chests to transfer more than gear between characters

Why would it not fix the issue:

-Players would use there gold to hire a crafter in zone chat or guild chat, mail what they need.

-Players would mail the gear they made themselves instead of using the player bank, all they would need to do, is mail to a friend and have them return to sender, on PC there are add ons that do this automatically.

-Some players create there own guilds so they would make use of their guild banks to transfer the gear.

-Some players have multiple accounts they can use them to mail the gear or own their own guild bank etc...

-Or they could just buy the gear off guild traders.

You could say ban mailing gear and fix most of that, except people could just trade for the gear with crafters directly.

Sevalaricgirl · February 2023

Lucien_Torriel wrote: »

Say you are first starting the game. No champion points. First character. You attempt to play every aspect of the game. You want to because it's fun. You want to get the achievements. You want to explore and experience the PVP areas. You find out that you are pretty good. Then another player comes along with their perfectly crafted armor set, made by another character. You use your skills. You only have had access to overland or pvp armor and weapon sets. You attack them, and nothing happens. They take 0 damage and they made no attempt to block your attack. How would you feel? it's not an inconvenience. It makes the game more enjoyable. Getting to restart on a new character, doing the crafting writs, exploring the zone. Clearing delves. Meeting the NPC Characters. That is what makes the game enjoyable. It's a fantasy RPG. Key acronym. Roleplaying Game. If you are using a completely different character to enhance another character. You take the roleplaying out of it. I agree with the bank account space. I feel that it should be larger, but with individual bank accounts per character, it may not have to be.

People play RPGs how they want. I would not consider PvP a part of RPGs so there's that. And I agree with everyone who is saying keep it the way it is.

Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

I hear what you are all saying. Maybe a limitation to which gear sets can be used in certain locations. This is a very diverse game with many diverse players. Most come for the RPG aspects. Some come for the PVP aspects. Others come for the dungeons. And then most do a little bit of everything. I don't see players competing with players. I see weapons and armor sets competing with inferior weapons and armor sets.

Snamyap · February 2023

Lucien_Torriel wrote: »

I have played PVP a lot. Everyone gets killed. You die, you respawn and get back into the fight. It's about creating a fair and balanced PVP game. I am not concerned about inconvenienced trolls. If it's too much work to build another RPG character from the ground up, maybe you are playing the wrong game.

Regardless if this an actual issue or not, your proposed solution will do nothing to fix it. If people want to troll sub 50 pvp they will just transfer gear through the mail or a friend. The only way to fix it would be to disable trading stuff between characters/players completely. And that's never gonna happen.

Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

Basically, everyone here is saying that ESO is an unbalanced game. Players are greedy and will go through any means necessary to give themselves or a friend an edge, regardless if it has any relevance to the RPG experience. Hey my buddy, "Character #1", just made me a legendary armor set with all the fixings. He just decided one day to make this really expensive set for me and just give it to me for free.

Blood_again · February 2023

OP likes smurfing in low lvl PVP, but somebody oversmurfed him.
Now ZOS should nerf those smurfs so it would never happen again.

Sorry, I think OP can't realize all the consequences of the change they asked for.
1. It would be step back in years, when characters had their own exp pool after lvl 50, so we had to raise every alt to their vet10/12/14/16. I'm happy those times ended for good, because those hours of standing on the rock in Craglorn were not fun at all.
2. Bank isolation solves nothing, but making inventory management harder. Praise the crafting bags, but I predict making a lot of addons to manage your alts though a mail in that case. Console players would be even happier. Fortunately that's not gonna happen.
3. Real roleplayers know that game should grant as much freedom to RP as possible, not force people to it. If some people's actions break the RP, then RP community deal to not act like this and isolate their areas from toxic outsiders who can act like this. That's how RP works today in ESO. Nothing in common with OP ideas who tries to cover his PVP failure with roleplaying things.
4. Engame community would be dead less than in month if the real inventory and bank isolation happened. Nobody wants to farm vet trials for each character separetely as same as nobody would find a tank or heal to the trial that grants good sets for damagers only. You can argue about guild members who help each other. It works, but overall runs will be hundred times rarer than today. No life there.
5. The gap between PVE and PVP communities would be even wider than today. A few dungeons which drop good PVP gear would be cursed by PVE players, because "those strange guys make everything wrong there". Another tissue in the whole community.
6. It whould be neccessary to get epic gear for every character again. Who wants to make Shadowfen shouting again? Treasure maps cost over million? Some worldbosses crowded by hundreds 24/7? We would get it all at the same time.

Would you like to see that kind of Tamriel because one person didn't manage to kill afk-er in Cyro?
No, thank you. I would not.

Snamyap · February 2023

Lucien_Torriel wrote: »

Basically, everyone here is saying that ESO is an unbalanced game. Players are greedy and will go through any means necessary to give themselves or a friend an edge, regardless if it has any relevance to the RPG experience. Hey my buddy, "Character #1", just made me a legendary armor set with all the fixings. He just decided one day to make this really expensive set for me and just give it to me for free.

Welcome to the real world? You can't force hundreds of thousands people to play this game the way you want it to be played. People have different preferences, limited time to play, etc.
For the record: I don't do any pvp.

Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

I am a disabled veteran of the United States Army. Don't lecture me on the real world.

Lucien_Torriel · February 2023

I opened a conversation. The only people who have responded are those who want to bash said conversation. I guess you got bored with commenting on news articles.

Snamyap · February 2023

Lucien_Torriel wrote: »

I am a disabled veteran of the United States Army. Don't lecture me on the real world.

If you've seen real life combat then you should be very familiar with the concept of people having different world views.

fizl101 · February 2023

there is a difference between disagreeing with a suggestion and bashing. There are lots of ways that people enjoy playing this game, and from your description I would guess you came up against someone who is currently enjoying the PVP tank meta. I don't go in PVP often ( and when I do its Grey Host), but when I go in if I meet one I ignore them, I know I'm not going to beat them on my own, especially with my squishy much less than meta character.