Fighters Guild - Turn Evil

Zama666 · February 2023

This is a cool skill. Be nice if fear made opponents run away in random directions.

Does any skill do that?

Good for ball groups!

But bad for me when I go run around wildly and off a bridge..

Thoughts?

Z

The_Titan_Tim · February 2023

Fear used to have that effect, but players were getting sent inside of objects and stuck, and others were using it to fear people into places they weren’t supposed to be, like enemy keeps.

Jaraal · February 2023

Knockback skills and sets will send people a few feet away, but that's about it.

Reminds me of the time on the Alessia bridge when I got knocked off by a templar, but chained back in from midair by a DK.

Snamyap · February 2023

Every time I see the ability Turn Undead somewhere it reminds me of the Dutch manual for Baldur's Gate. "Turn" was interpreted and translated as "turn into" instead of "turn away"...

Danikat · February 2023

Snamyap wrote: »

Every time I see the ability Turn Undead somewhere it reminds me of the Dutch manual for Baldur's Gate. "Turn" was interpreted and translated as "turn into" instead of "turn away"...

English is my first language but I was about 12 when that game came out and I interpreted it as 'turn into an undead' instead of 'turn away undead' as well. As a result it took me ages to work out what the skill actually did.

Zama666 · February 2023

The_Titan_Tim wrote: »

Fear used to have that effect, but players were getting sent inside of objects and stuck, and others were using it to fear people into places they weren’t supposed to be, like enemy keeps.

Be nice if they could fix that....if there was a building or something around one should bounce off it and take twice this damage...make a 'boing' noise while at it!

TybaltKaine · February 2023

Unrelated gripe but Turn Evil should be a PVE skill that only works on explicitly evil things to be more in keeping with the rest of the Fighter's Guild kit/ESO era lore.

Essentially, it should work on Deadra, Undead, Vampires, Werewolves. That's it.

You wanna use fear in PVP? Hope your opponent is a Vampire, become a Vampire yourself or play Nightblade.

Every class has a thing only they can do, and the one for Nightblade is...stealth? I can do that with a potion. Gimme my Nightblade class flavor back.

That being said, Fear having a run away effect would be cool, but I like that it's an immobilize to set up for AOE's. Get everyone lined up and drop a hammer on them.

virtus753 · February 2023

TybaltKaine wrote: »

Unrelated gripe but Turn Evil should be a PVE skill that only works on explicitly evil things to be more in keeping with the rest of the Fighter's Guild kit/ESO era lore.

Essentially, it should work on Deadra, Undead, Vampires, Werewolves. That's it.

You wanna use fear in PVP? Hope your opponent is a Vampire, become a Vampire yourself or play Nightblade.

Every class has a thing only they can do, and the one for Nightblade is...stealth? I can do that with a potion. Gimme my Nightblade class flavor back.

That being said, Fear having a run away effect would be cool, but I like that it's an immobilize to set up for AOE's. Get everyone lined up and drop a hammer on them.

Turn Evil used to be Turn Undead. They expanded it in 2019 to include everyone and everything that can be feared. I don’t think they’d restrict it so heavily when more accessibility is an explicit theme of the past few years of development design.

TybaltKaine · February 2023

That's unfortunate. I started playing in 20, when I had an abundance of free time suddenly, and it always irked me that one of the few cool things I could do as a Nightblade in PVP that no one else could, Stealth in, fear everyone, drop a magicka detonation, wasn't as unique as I thought it was.

Dr_Con · February 2023

The old fear sucked for pvp, losing control of your character like that was jarring and the pve experience didn't really prepare you for that- breaking out of it wasn't intuitive and you lost control of your character. You would sometimes even walk out of the enemy aoe.

virtus753 · February 2023

TybaltKaine wrote: »

That's unfortunate. I started playing in 20, when I had an abundance of free time suddenly, and it always irked me that one of the few cool things I could do as a Nightblade in PVP that no one else could, Stealth in, fear everyone, drop a magicka detonation, wasn't as unique as I thought it was.

Class identity is often on the losing end of making things more widely accessible, yeah. In this case there was also an issue where the game was running something like 23 checks per target for Fighters Guild skills that targeted only undead/werewolves/daedra. They kept a tiny bit of flavor with the passive that now deals 10% extra damage to player vampires and werewolves, which requires only 3 checks, instead of 20% extra damage to any enemy that is undead/werewolf/daedra. Their servers just can’t handle the scale of checks like that with how many people play at the same time now, so they’ve been paring back where they feel they can, even though that means losing things people like (another example being character-specific achievements).