How many sets are actually good?

El_Borracho · February 2023

50-100

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I think some people are not quite answering the question. I completely agree that the total number of useful sets is north of 100, but the question called for useful sets for a given roll. That number is certainly lower as some sets are pretty niche. That said, if you have ever pushed score in a trial or gone for trifectas, sometimes you wear an entire loadout (3-4 sets) for a single fight. Last TTT run I did for example I had 7 different loadouts on hotkey.

I saw that in the OP, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. With the armory system, and multiple alternatives on your alts, one character could potentially have over 30 different sets that you would use depending on the content. As you said, you had 7 alone for one trials run.

For instance, there might be 8 sets that are good for a Stam DK DD right now while that same DK could go north of 20 sets once that character becomes a tank, and then another 10-20 if that DK went to PVP and wanted to run the tank meta or a DD. So potentially, for one DK, you could easily be north of 40 sets by just making a PVE DD, a PVE tank, a PVP DD, and a PVP tank.

Then there are Warden, Necro, Nightblade, or Sorc PVE tanks that would use most of the same base sets, but can take advantage of other sets that a DK doesn't need. Same when comparing a Warden healer to a Sorc or Templar healer. For me, its impossible to average it out, as the OP suggested.

Could I see someone using over 100 sets for a single DD? No. But that doesn't tell the whole story as to how many sets that single character could use once you start swapping roles.

Thee_Cheshire_Cat · February 2023

So.. i guess Icy Conjurer Set isnt that good?

geonsocal · February 2023

10-25

Thecompton73 wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

from a cyrodiil perspective...

at least 10 or so basic sets: spinners, spriggans, pariah, mara's balm, order's wrath, hundings, deadly strike, war maiden, automaton, silks of the sun, dark convergence, plaguebreak...

plus at least another 10 "niche" sets to have fun with...

How did you forget the one set that rules them all, Rallying Cry?

howdy @Thecompton73 ...you're right, I keep hearing and reading about this set...for some reason it never really interested me...

just looked it up again, I play solo, but read the description as a "group play" set:

Rallying Cry
(2 items) Adds 657 Critical Chance
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(4 items) Adds 657 Critical Chance
(5 items) While Battle Spirit is active, critically healing yourself or an ally causes you and up to 11 other group members within 12 meters to gain 300 Weapon and Spell Damage, and 1650 Critical Resistance for 20 seconds. Each group member affected reduces the Weapon and Spell Damage by 15 and Critical Resistance by 83. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.

is there any real use for this set as a solo player?

Thecompton73 · February 2023

geonsocal wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

from a cyrodiil perspective...

at least 10 or so basic sets: spinners, spriggans, pariah, mara's balm, order's wrath, hundings, deadly strike, war maiden, automaton, silks of the sun, dark convergence, plaguebreak...

plus at least another 10 "niche" sets to have fun with...

How did you forget the one set that rules them all, Rallying Cry?

howdy @Thecompton73 ...you're right, I keep hearing and reading about this set...for some reason it never really interested me...

just looked it up again, I play solo, but read the description as a "group play" set:

Rallying Cry
(2 items) Adds 657 Critical Chance
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(4 items) Adds 657 Critical Chance
(5 items) While Battle Spirit is active, critically healing yourself or an ally causes you and up to 11 other group members within 12 meters to gain 300 Weapon and Spell Damage, and 1650 Critical Resistance for 20 seconds. Each group member affected reduces the Weapon and Spell Damage by 15 and Critical Resistance by 83. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.

is there any real use for this set as a solo player?

Heck ya, the LESS people you're running with the better the set is and running solo means you get the full amount of weapon damage and crit resist possible. Getting that 1650 allows me to use a different CP star in the blue tree rather than crit resist and I also have a 3-4 pieces of body armor with traits other than Impen yet still have nearly 3000 crit resist when the set is procced, which is pretty much 100% of the time.

geonsocal · February 2023

10-25

hmmmm, alright then @Thecompton73 ...you got me interested

...i'll give it another look - thanks...

what's it best on: nightblade, sorcerer - something else?

Thecompton73 · February 2023

geonsocal wrote: »

hmmmm, alright then @Thecompton73 ...you got me interested ...i'll give it another look - thanks...

what's it best on: nightblade, sorcerer - something else?

It works on any class and almost any play style, really. Everyone can use a bit of crit chance for better heals, 300 raw sd/wd and 1650 crit resist. The max magica line is a bit weak but it allows you to shift a few more attribute points to health so you can hit the 30K threshold.
All you need is a bit of crit chance and some HOT's to reliably activate it, burst heals work as well but Hots ticking all the time as part of your rotation will maintain it passively while you concentrate on your opponents. Even 25% crit chance is generally enough since the effect lasts 20 seconds and the cool down is only 15 so as long as you get a crit tick in those 5 seconds you'll maintain 100% uptime on the buffs. It has a very pronounced visual and sound effect when it procs so you'll never be in doubt about having it up or not.
From there you you've got some build freedom since Rally is balanced between defense and offense. You can run with Mara's and Balorgh's to be tanky as you build to 500 then turn and burn. Or go with another damage set so you can play a high pressure style without having to worry about such huge incoming chunk damage from crits.
If you want to see someone that makes really good use of it I'd recommend checking out ReactFaster's NB build video that uses Refreshing Path to keep 100% uptime on Major Expedition, the Rally Cry proc, and the 10% bonus damage from Concealed Weapon.

notyuu · February 2023

What do you mean by good?
does the set do a thing which is not detriment to the player?
does the set do something that no other set does but better?
does the set work in the meta?
does the set bring a lot of very speific power to the table?

unless you can answer those, and possibly quite a fair few more you won't be getting an answer

Somber97866 · February 2023

10-25

Not enough

geonsocal · February 2023

10-25

thank you so much @Thecompton73 ...I really appreciate your patience with explaining that...

alright then, I'll see which of my toons might like a new set to try out

Thecompton73 · February 2023

geonsocal wrote: »

thank you so much @Thecompton73 ...I really appreciate your patience with explaining that...

alright then, I'll see which of my toons might like a new set to try out

You're very welcome.

NettleCarrier · February 2023

More than 100

We are at probably close to 1000 sets in the game, at least 25-50% of these have similar core stats and will perform in the top 10% of parses while being used by a skilled player. It's the outliers that stick out 5% higher that become "meta" sets - there's nothing wrong with the others, they just aren't the "best". People optimize the fun out of the game by thinking that sets that perform a few percentages better by pro players will somehow make them good players.