Ok what about it?

Man, it's like going into PvE vet HM content and complaint that your super niche secret build doesn't perform there, multiplayer games generally don't work like that, PvP is insane in this game when it works properly and you have healthy expectations.

Dying is a learning experience telling you're doing something wrong there, so learn from it.

Manslayer49 wrote: »

pvp is a total clown fest where everyone has so much damage resist and so much healing that in a 1 on 1 fight it goes on for an eternity.

i think pvp is long over due for some mitigation nerfs.

my pure dps build just gets destroyed.

pvp in this game is a joke and unfun.

let me guess, you are also one of those players who do not even have a heal slotted? I also play full on damage, but you should also be clear that you do not survive without appropriate behavior and defensive skills. especially if you die in the cp campaign, it's really up to you. you can not make it easier for the players to survive. go into the non cp, non procc, campaign there you have to work a little harder to survive.

the pvp used to be one of the biggest draws to this game.

Manslayer49 wrote: »

my pure dps build just gets destroyed

What do you parse on a 6m dummy?

It's going to take 40-50k sustained dps over 20 seconds to kill most Rank 50 players. Even 50k sustained dps for 30 seconds won't kill many DKs who hold down block while sitting in a Cinder Storm. That's why burst damage is so important.

Many PvP builds will do 75-100k damage in 1 second and then wait for cooldowns before doing it again.

Block, dodge, interrupts, crowd control, crit resistance, etc. all make your PvE dps build useless.

AdamLAD wrote: »

A pure dps build won't work in PvP. I thought after nearly 9 years of this games existence, people would have figured that one out by now.

In this game it doesn't, but in most others the goal is to actually kill people, or support not be a jack of all trades lol. Coming to ESO it was very strange not aiming to build more towards purely dps or support without sacrificing anything, so I understand OP's frustration. I'm also of the mind that healing and mitigation is too high and easily accessible atm.

However, massive nerfs have never been a good thing in ESO for as long as I've playing. Yes things could be better tweaked towards better balancing for sure, but ESO is unlike other games. Throw out everything you know from other games about DD builds. If you're unwilling to learn, or change your mindset, there are a multitude of PvP games out there that will suit your needs better.

You don't 1v1 on a pure dps build, you need self-healing and mitigation, especially for longer fights. You could maybe get away with it for a pure ganking/bombing build, but that's a different story. It's illogical to judge PvP based on that. Any activity that you have an unsuitable build or playstyle in, will not be a great time, imo.

Amottica wrote: »

Manslayer49 wrote: »

my pure dps build just gets destroyed..

What is this pure DPS build? The build and playstyle are paramount for doing well in PvP.

Most likely typical PvE Glass Cannon, like my StamBlade. It's a massive struggle, but it's still possible to be successful, you just have to cherrypick your targets. Lower end health pools, players with no visibly active buffs, DW setups. You take a glass cannon against sword and boards or two handers or Sorcs you're gonna have a bad time.

Running a full damage build works fine. You can kill a lot of people very quickly, but I would agree that mitigation and tankiness is a bit unreasonable right now.

There's a few things that need to be looked at:
1. Stacking Heal Over Time Effects - This has been an issue for a long time now. The biggest offenders are radiating regeneration and the AOE vigor. Their healing values have been nerfed, but the fact that they stack still causes issues.

2. High Health Pools - People simply have too much health and it protects them from burst combos. I commonly see damage builds with 32k health and sometimes more. In the earlier years of the game 20-22k health seemed to be the average. Something needs to be changed to bring the average amount of health down in PvP.

3. Vampirism - The undeath passive gives way too much mitigation and it starts scaling right away. This passive needs to be adjusted.

4. Tank Sets - Sets like Maras Balm provide way too much survivability. They need to be adjusted.

5. Healing Potency - Healing scales a little bit too easily. You don't need the greatest stats to put out good heals. This allows people to wear two mitigation sets and still provide decent heals for their teammates.

The worst part about all of this is that you can be a Maras Balm wearing vampire with 35k health and have a group providing you with heal over time effects. All of this stuff works in conjunction with each other and it results in builds that are incredibly survivable without requiring skill. Some serious balancing needs to be done in PvP.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Second best moment was tossing a sticky grenade up a balcony, it must have attached to someone as they ran back in and had 20 consecutive kills when it exploded.

I've done that to in that game and it took a while for the UI to finish reporting all the people who died to the sticky grenade. Still remember it to this day lol. Poor NC guy...

Stamicka wrote: »

Running a full damage build works fine. You can kill a lot of people very quickly, but I would agree that mitigation and tankiness is a bit unreasonable right now.

There's a few things that need to be looked at:
1. Stacking Heal Over Time Effects - This has been an issue for a long time now. The biggest offenders are radiating regeneration and the AOE vigor. Their healing values have been nerfed, but the fact that they stack still causes issues.

2. High Health Pools - People simply have too much health and it protects them from burst combos. I commonly see damage builds with 32k health and sometimes more. In the earlier years of the game 20-22k health seemed to be the average. Something needs to be changed to bring the average amount of health down in PvP.

3. Vampirism - The undeath passive gives way too much mitigation and it starts scaling right away. This passive needs to be adjusted.

4. Tank Sets - Sets like Maras Balm provide way too much survivability. They need to be adjusted.

5. Healing Potency - Healing scales a little bit too easily. You don't need the greatest stats to put out good heals. This allows people to wear two mitigation sets and still provide decent heals for their teammates.

The worst part about all of this is that you can be a Maras Balm wearing vampire with 35k health and have a group providing you with heal over time effects. All of this stuff works in conjunction with each other and it results in builds that are incredibly survivable without requiring skill. Some serious balancing needs to be done in PvP.

I think its very unlikely they are going to balance anything. i mean they had like how many years to balance pvp.

pvp in this game is trash and yet people still defend it. see all the people that throw around blind assumptions in my thread because it supports their world view that theres nothing wrong with the game.

its like oh its not the game and it must be the op. he must be doing something wrong.

When I think of successful pure DPS builds in Cyrodiil, it's gankers and bombers.