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I think Burst damage needs a buff.
Manslayer49
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I think for example that two handed skills are just weaker than what they should be and that dot abilities are out performing burst by a huge margin. It just sucks that 1 bar builds only really seem to work with strong dots like dragonknights fire abilities for example.
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✭✭✭✭✭Tim brings up a good point tht when discussing something being weak it helps to provide a full picture.
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jtm1018✭✭✭✭✭Manslayer49 wrote: »I think for example that two handed skills are just weaker than what they should be and that dot abilities are out performing burst by a huge margin. It just sucks that 1 bar builds only really seem to work with strong dots like dragonknights fire abilities for example.
I hear you bro.
My stamblade feel so weak compared to every other class. But I already acceptedthat, so, yeah.
The only thing I can boast about my nb is its annoying.0 -
The_Titan_Tim✭✭✭✭✭Okay, that’s part of your problem. Burst is generally made of multiple attacks happening simultaneously.
Nightblade is one of the only classes in the game that does not have a timed high-damage ability that you can have explode at the same time as your spammable. How the class compensates, is it has a higher damage ultimate in Incapacitating Strikes, and some of the best burst in the game with the hardest hitting ability out there, Merciless Resolve’s Spectral Bow proc after 5 light attacks, this ability is actually over-performing right now.
It’s a shame you have to stick to class abilities to get that burst, but it’s definitely there for Nightblade.
If you were on a Templar or non-Harmony Necromancer, that would be a different story as they are currently struggling within their classes, trying to find burst.5 -
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✭✭In my opinion dots need a buff (nerf damage a bit, but ticks every second like they used to).(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Manslayer49✭✭✭The_Titan_Tim wrote: »Okay, that’s part of your problem. Burst is generally made of multiple attacks happening simultaneously.
Nightblade is one of the only classes in the game that does not have a timed high-damage ability that you can have explode at the same time as your spammable. How the class compensates, is it has a higher damage ultimate in Incapacitating Strikes, and some of the best burst in the game with the hardest hitting ability out there, Merciless Resolve’s Spectral Bow proc after 5 light attacks, this ability is actually over-performing right now.
It’s a shame you have to stick to class abilities to get that burst, but it’s definitely there for Nightblade.
If you were on a Templar or non-Harmony Necromancer, that would be a different story as they are currently struggling within their classes, trying to find burst.
i just like two handed sword and i just feel weapon skill lines are too weak vs class skills.
i mean its like when they nerfed two hander back in the day it was nerfed too hard.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Did I miss the memo, are DoTs strong again and not useless anymore in PvP scenarios? Or is this about PvE?PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
Luede✭✭✭✭✭Manslayer49 wrote: »The_Titan_Tim wrote: »Okay, that’s part of your problem. Burst is generally made of multiple attacks happening simultaneously.
Nightblade is one of the only classes in the game that does not have a timed high-damage ability that you can have explode at the same time as your spammable. How the class compensates, is it has a higher damage ultimate in Incapacitating Strikes, and some of the best burst in the game with the hardest hitting ability out there, Merciless Resolve’s Spectral Bow proc after 5 light attacks, this ability is actually over-performing right now.
It’s a shame you have to stick to class abilities to get that burst, but it’s definitely there for Nightblade.
If you were on a Templar or non-Harmony Necromancer, that would be a different story as they are currently struggling within their classes, trying to find burst.
i just like two handed sword and i just feel weapon skill lines are too weak vs class skills.
i mean its like when they nerfed two hander back in the day it was nerfed too hard.
why should they be weaker, where is the point of using class skills at all if all other skill lines would be better?1 -
The_Titan_Tim✭✭✭✭✭Well, Dizzying Swing is significantly better than most spammables in the game, especially for burst damage; it hits harder at base than Death Scythe, Flame Skull, Puncturing Strikes, Dark Flare, Dive, Crystal Shard, Veiled Strike, Strife, Flurry, Snipe, Force Shock, Imbue Weapon, Lava Whip and Eviscerate… of course there are scenarios where other spammables could shine brighter, but as far as raw damage, consistently, you can’t beat it.
Onslaught is broken on direct damage builds stacking into damage instead of pen, the burst gets pretty wild if you can line up your Medium Attack on an Off-Balance target as a means to guarantee Onslaught can’t be prevented and when that crits, trust me… you will know.Edited by The_Titan_Tim on January 16, 2023 10:30AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Manslayer49 wrote: »The_Titan_Tim wrote: »Okay, that’s part of your problem. Burst is generally made of multiple attacks happening simultaneously.
Nightblade is one of the only classes in the game that does not have a timed high-damage ability that you can have explode at the same time as your spammable. How the class compensates, is it has a higher damage ultimate in Incapacitating Strikes, and some of the best burst in the game with the hardest hitting ability out there, Merciless Resolve’s Spectral Bow proc after 5 light attacks, this ability is actually over-performing right now.
It’s a shame you have to stick to class abilities to get that burst, but it’s definitely there for Nightblade.
If you were on a Templar or non-Harmony Necromancer, that would be a different story as they are currently struggling within their classes, trying to find burst.
i just like two handed sword and i just feel weapon skill lines are too weak vs class skills.
i mean its like when they nerfed two hander back in the day it was nerfed too hard.
This is a choice but limiting oneself to such a narrow set of skills is the first issue. Others have brought up good points.
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Nightblade has THE best burst of all the classes if you are only using 2h skills, that is the problem right there!3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Manslayer49 wrote: »
A one bar NB build that doesnt use any class skills is not exactly something I think we should be balancing the game around. Play how you want, but if you intentionally gimp yourself by excluding class skills, its not reasonable to expect it to perform the way you want.
I also am not sure you really mean burst, you seem to want a harder hitting spammable. Spammables are fairly balanced for the most part. There are a few outliers (underpowered skills), but since really every class has access to multiple spammables, I dont see it as a pressing issue. Ultimately, its sounds like you are asking for a buff to a one bar build that you spam one key over and over. Hard pass from me.
Burst implies multiple things firing at once, its mostly a PVP term. It requires some sort of delayed skill. Like a Warden that hits you with sub assault and a dawnbreaker or a sorc that gets his curse and frag to hit at the same time so it triggers your execute proc. There is nothing inherently bursty about the 2h line in isolation, but that is really true for all weapon lines in isolation (maybe some sort of snipe build would qualify).Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on January 17, 2023 6:36PM1 -
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✭✭In my opinion dots need a buff (nerf damage a bit, but ticks every second like they used to).
Revert it back to what it was you mean.
I agree. Who needs a dot that lasts 20+ seconds? Go back to what it was before they made those ill-advised changes. A 20 second dot is useless in pvp, totally useless. In pve it's not much more useful.1 -
deejayvee✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »In my opinion dots need a buff (nerf damage a bit, but ticks every second like they used to).
Revert it back to what it was you mean.
I agree. Who needs a dot that lasts 20+ seconds? Go back to what it was before they made those ill-advised changes. A 20 second dot is useless in pvp, totally useless. In pve it's not much more useful.
I liked their idea of making timers consistent, but then they backed that out and just left us with the DoT nerf. Very annoying.PC - NA0
