Am I the only one doing this?

DeltaForce64x · January 2023

Because I do not trust AI by any means to show me my path on map, I always hit "f" and put a blue marker on map THEN I go where I need to go.

Plus I ALWAYS get lost in cities I mean it took me a while running around the castle to find my blasted gate to enter the inside. Sometimes even blue marker won't help, but it does help in larger means.

ArchMikem · January 2023

The game is really bad at marking where to go when you have to travel to other Zones, but within the same Zone not really, I trust the marker.

everseeing_njpreub18_ESO · January 2023

I prefer vagueness to ensure i look away from the map/minimap and actually pay attention to the world, and when it is a different zone to actually read the quest so i have an idea of what I'm doing.

I hate playing games that are too exact, go to point X "click" move to point Y "click". It helps me see all those nodes, chests, troves, and the occasional bits like the dancing dogs, people being robbed, etc. Maybe that's why i enjoy treasure maps in the game so much.

freespirit · January 2023

I use the blue marker constantly too! ➡️➡️

Danikat · January 2023

I'm usually not in a hurry and don't want or need to go directly to the next objective, so I use the quest markers as a general direction and then explore as I'm going along. If I find I have to work my way around a hill or a town or something because I can't go in a straight line from where I am to the final objective that's not a problem, it's much like what I'd be doing anyway.

I set my own marker if I know I'm going to have to go around an obstacle, or there's only 1 way into the area I need to get to, so I can make sure I'm heading in the right general direction, but I don't always do that. Mostly I use them when I'm doing crafting surveys and treasure chests, to mark where I think it is.

Nightowl_74 · January 2023

The quest markers seem very understated to me, which is the opposite of what I want, so I often set my own on top of them just because it stands out a little more. I have to think it's intentional but if I preferred no guidance or didn't want my map cluttered up I'd turn the markers off. It would be nice if they were bolder colored and in some cases, larger.

SilverBride · January 2023

I never use the marker. If I can't find the path to where I need to go I zoom in on the map and can usually see it then.

My complaint is that if we highlight a quest and choose "M" to show the location on the map, it doesn't show it unless we are already in the same zone as the quest objective. For instance, if I'm in Glenumbra and my quest objective is in a different zone choosing "M" only marks the way out of town and not the actual location. If we follow these markers it can run us around to several locations before finding the actual spot, if ever.

zaria · January 2023

Use it from time to time for quests but more often to mark out places to go like surveys or wayshrines who don't show up unless close.

Ashryn · January 2023

I always use the blue marker as well.

spartaxoxo · January 2023

Since I'm on console, I use the blue marker a lot. We don't have any map add-ons, so the best way to do something like a treasure map is to pull out your phone and Google a picture of the spot, then put the blue marker on that same spot to the best of your ability.

I_killed_Vivec · January 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

I never use the marker. If I can't find the path to where I need to go I zoom in on the map and can usually see it then.

My complaint is that if we highlight a quest and choose "M" to show the location on the map, it doesn't show it unless we are already in the same zone as the quest objective. For instance, if I'm in Glenumbra and my quest objective is in a different zone choosing "M" only marks the way out of town and not the actual location. If we follow these markers it can run us around to several locations before finding the actual spot, if ever.

And it ends up taking you to a dock to get a ship to some town in the zone... when you were stood next to a wayshrine that would take you to exactly where you wanted to go.

WiseSky · January 2023

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I do not trust AI by any means to show me my path on map, I always hit "f" and put a blue marker on map THEN I go where I need to go.

Plus I ALWAYS get lost in cities I mean it took me a while running around the castle to find my blasted gate to enter the inside. Sometimes even blue marker won't help, but it does help in larger means.

If you are on PC you can get the Immersive Quests Addon, We have just launched it... and its a work in process
but some say that it helps them out.

zaria · January 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Since I'm on console, I use the blue marker a lot. We don't have any map add-ons, so the best way to do something like a treasure map is to pull out your phone and Google a picture of the spot, then put the blue marker on that same spot to the best of your ability.

Did that leveling Psijic on last alt.

Syldras · January 2023

I use the blue marker while exploring, whenever I see some place I want to return to later (but can't go to immediately because I'm amidst of doing a quest I don't want to interrupt).

I don't have any map add-ons. If I need a map I just open the normal map while walking. I don't need more than half a second or so to see where I am and if I'm heading in the right direction. Of course I look at the map for a bit longer before I start a quest, but then I can memorize it fine.

Dr_Con · January 2023

i use the blue diamond one (F) and the red target one (shift + click) if leading pug groups in cyrodiil

TheImperfect · January 2023

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I do not trust AI by any means to show me my path on map, I always hit "f" and put a blue marker on map THEN I go where I need to go.

Plus I ALWAYS get lost in cities I mean it took me a while running around the castle to find my blasted gate to enter the inside. Sometimes even blue marker won't help, but it does help in larger means.

Literally always do this, sometimes I forget and try to go to a blue marker left set from last time and realise when I'm half way across a zone that it's a marker from before in another zone! In general though it is definitely a most useful tool.

BretonMage · January 2023

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I do not trust AI by any means to show me my path on map

Hmmm. Have I been unaware of some map feature? When does the AI show us our path to an objective? (I mean, I know there are quest markers, but not any path as far as I'm aware). This thread is slightly confusing to me. I rarely use the blue arrow (I only use it, I think, when my addons aren't working and I need it for treasure maps), and really only use the map indicators in delves and dungeons.

Syldras · January 2023

BretonMage wrote: »

Hmmm. Have I been unaware of some map feature? When does the AI show us our path to an objective? (I mean, I know there are quest markers, but not any path as far as I'm aware). This thread is slightly confusing to me. I rarely use the blue arrow (I only use it, I think, when my addons aren't working and I need it for treasure maps), and really only use the map indicators in delves and dungeons.

There are some places where the quest marker doesn't really make sense, especially when it comes to leaving towns or delves and travelling by boat. I don't know if that has been fixed by now, but when I was on Amenos behind that mountain passage (near Trappers Peak wayshrine) and had a quest objective in a different part of Amenos, the quest marker sometimes pointed to High Isle first, probably because it was expected to enter a boat to Amenos there.

Or just yesterday, in a delve with two entrances in Greenshade, I was supposed to leave it through the North entrance and finish the quest in a town in the North, but I went out South because there was some other thing I wanted to look at first - and the quest marker still told me to go back into the delve's Southern entrance when I already walked around that whole thing on the outside and had almost reached the Northern entrance. So it's not always reliable. But mostly.

AvalonRanger · January 2023

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I do not trust AI by any means to show me my path on map, I always hit "f" and put a blue marker on map THEN I go where I need to go.

Plus I ALWAYS get lost in cities I mean it took me a while running around the castle to find my blasted gate to enter the inside. Sometimes even blue marker won't help, but it does help in larger means.

Not only you, but I'm also doing same behavior.

AvalonRanger · January 2023

The real problem is bad level design issue of ESO rather than AI guiding.
Especially in old dungeon, this problem is very critical. ZOS should divide
level design rule between open world exploring and dungeon style quest.

BretonMage · January 2023

Syldras wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Hmmm. Have I been unaware of some map feature? When does the AI show us our path to an objective? (I mean, I know there are quest markers, but not any path as far as I'm aware). This thread is slightly confusing to me. I rarely use the blue arrow (I only use it, I think, when my addons aren't working and I need it for treasure maps), and really only use the map indicators in delves and dungeons.

There are some places where the quest marker doesn't really make sense, especially when it comes to leaving towns or delves and travelling by boat. I don't know if that has been fixed by now, but when I was on Amenos behind that mountain passage (near Trappers Peak wayshrine) and had a quest objective in a different part of Amenos, the quest marker sometimes pointed to High Isle first, probably because it was expected to enter a boat to Amenos there.

Ahh, quite true. Usually when a quest marker points towards a boat, I just ignore it and assume it's in another region. But the Amenos bug is particularly annoying.

I wish they would give us an option to disable quest markers through boats (and caravans), especially once the wayshrines have been discovered. That would be a great QOL addition to reduce clutter on maps.

Zodiarkslayer · January 2023

Personally, I play without unnecessary screen clutter as much as possible.
Yet, that one blue diamond helps me from time to time.

I suspect that a lot of players expect a navigation system, like we all know from real world cars or Google Maps or similar. But ESO just puts a pip on a point in a zone {zonename;X;Y;Z}. That's it. There is simply no navigation.
And keep in mind that the pip leads you to the "zone door", not a specific point in that zone. Only when the zone is actively loaded, it will be shown.
That makes a huge difference in terms of what the algorithm has to process. Just think about how many POIs there are in Tamriel right now. They all would have to be part of a complex matrix, if you'd wish for it to be a real nav sytem.

The algorithm that sets the markers is probably kept simple on purpose, to not introduce lag on the client side. And it would have to be updated every time a new zone is introduced to the game, if it were a real nav system. That is a lot of work.

Actually, it sounds like a reasonable design choice to do it the way it is, when you think about it.

Syldras · January 2023

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

I suspect that a lot of players expect a navigation system, like we all know from real world cars or Google Maps or similar.

I'm not sure if there are many people who expect that. Most of the time I see the opposite: People who say it's rather too easy nowadays, and inside of buildings sometimes even completely nonsensical if you have a quest to "search" for a "hidden" item and then the questmarker points at a barrel or a desk inside the room...

robwolf666 · January 2023

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I do not trust AI by any means to show me my path on map, I always hit "f" and put a blue marker on map THEN I go where I need to go.

Nope, unless I already know exactly where I'm going, I always put a marker on the map.

Surragard · January 2023

Some cities I can’t seem to commit to memory. I always get lost/stuck in Senchal and have to keep checking the map to find the right path.

Androrix · January 2023

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I do not trust AI by any means to show me my path on map, I always hit "f" and put a blue marker on map THEN I go where I need to go.

Plus I ALWAYS get lost in cities I mean it took me a while running around the castle to find my blasted gate to enter the inside. Sometimes even blue marker won't help, but it does help in larger means.

LOL...no you are not alone. My sense of direction is horrendous. I hate running around cities trying to find the gate too! So envious of people that have that in built compass in their heads.

DP99 · January 2023

I always use the blue diamond, and even then I usually end up going the wrong way and have to turn myself around to go in the right direction. I can't follow the maps to save my life! LOL!

Kiralyn2000 · January 2023

I use the blue marker. But not because I don't trust the quest directions, but because I frequently want to go to places that aren't quest destinations.

Syldras · January 2023

Androrix wrote: »

My sense of direction is horrendous. I hate running around cities trying to find the gate too! So envious of people that have that in built compass in their heads.

It might be easier for some people than for others, but generally, it's still a matter of practice.