Should ESO ban all groups in Cyro to reduce lag?

subarctic · January 2023

Cyro is dying, at least Ebonheart Pact EU on PC. My pvp guild even refuse to play in Cyro, on Saturday and Sunday early evening, because of the 200+ ping. I just played solo today. Skills lagged a lot even with my high-end pc with fast fiber connection in Norway. Could not find a group to play with (because EP in Gray Host has few guilds and groups it seems) but noticed many in chat complaining about lag. When AD and DC run in ball groups, the lag seems to follow, so why not ban all groups? I mean, ESO already banned 24 player groups, which once made the game fun in 2014/15, so why not ban all groups in order to reduce lag? And make the playing field more even for us in EP who are too unorganized and undisciplined to create proper ball groups on the EU PC server

Btw, right now there is a 30K score difference between AD and DC in our campaign. AD is 20K ahead of EP which somehow have managed to beat DC despite our undisciplined and individualistic play style. Solo gaming is fun, so let’s ban all groups!

wilykcat · January 2023

The last paragraph. What did I just read...

Elsonso · January 2023

They need to return to the 24 size as soon as they possibly can.

Dr_Con · January 2023

You realize to ban someone means to revoke their access to the game, right? By saying you want to ban groups, you are saying they don't deserve to play the game, and you are also saying your group/guild refuses to play- so if they banned others, your guild would start playing again, and you would have zos ban yourself.

wilykcat · January 2023

So is the original post saying everyone should get banned?
I still don't understand the original post (sorry, my reading comprehension isnt that good).

I don't want to get banned from another game. 🙄

subarctic · January 2023

@Elsonso:

I agree, the lag was hell in 2015 but the 24 groups where fun, and fun to lead too, but the lag will be even worse now prb because better graphics and more skills/races plus customized armor/skins take a toll on the server, I guess. Anyway, Cyro sucks now, though it still can be fun each time we in EP manage to create a zerg and take a keep. Waves of undisciplined players and maybe less DC activity sometimes, can explain why EP is now 10K ahead of DC, but we still 20K behind AD. Game unbalanced. That’s my subjective impression, but I don’t play much in Cyro any longer, like many vets, so can’t know for sure what’s really going on in GH EU PC this season.

subarctic · January 2023

@Wilykcat:

Ban groups, not players, though less lag if ESO bans all players too.

The_Titan_Tim · January 2023

If I’m not mistaken, they mean that large groups are a problem and that they would prefer the grouping system for Cyrodiil lessened or removed, not banned, the OP is Norwegian.

subarctic wrote: »

Skills lagged a lot even with my high-end pc with fast fiber connection in Norway.

subarctic · January 2023

@Dr Con:

Ban means to prohibit something.

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2023

Elsonso wrote: »

They need to return to the 24 size as soon as they possibly can.

Imho they reduced it because more or less in the same time they ninja-nerfed max population cap. 12 people ball group can more or less take around 50 players to deal with. 24 people ball group would take almost the entire faction population.

Wing · January 2023

TLDR

literally have not read anything

just posting as a pvp player to say a lone wolf instance of cyro would pique my interest as a campaign specific option.

Elsonso · January 2023

subarctic wrote: »

@Elsonso:

I agree, the lag was hell in 2015 but the 24 groups where fun, and fun to lead too, but the lag will be even worse now prb because better graphics and more skills/races plus customized armor/skins take a toll on the server, I guess.

Graphics and customized armor and skins do not put a constant strain on the server. They can put a strain on the client, if the graphics card, storage, and processor cannot handle it.

The performance reason that 24 player groups are hard on the server is communication between players, and that is all server.

When they can return to 24 player groups, it means that they have resolved their server performance issues.

subarctic · January 2023

@Tommy:

Having many players in a ball group, tight together, seems to create lag, I assume, so if there are no groups at all, problem solved!? If that is true, it will be a quick fix for ESO. It will also ruin the game even more, but Cyro sucks now in any case, so why not make it solo only if it cures lag at least.

subarctic · January 2023

@Elsonso:

With my high-end gaming rig I seldom see lag in Cyro, but when I fight my skills are often delayed, making fights kind of just meh.

TechMaybeHic · January 2023

Doesn't help

Starlight_Knight · January 2023

No thats not a solution but, Also EP on EU grey host do have organized groups and ball zergs. you just dont see them if you're not in them as they're off doing ball zergy stuff

I do hear what you're saying though, lag in pvp is worse than ever, myself and my group are always complaining of upwards of 4 to 5 second delays on skills, and thats if they even go off atall. Not to mention twice yesterday i was pm'd and accused of running hacks because the person who i killed de-sinked massivley.
They were nice in the end once we talked though what i saw and what they saw but it shows you why people are accusing eveyone of cheating left right and centre as well...

The neglect of pvp performance is creating a toxic relationship with zos and its players - it really really needs sorting, the busness cant go on like this, and its not like people can just quit playing, its just like an abusive relationship. some of us are really fond of ESO and enjoy the pvp but its abusing us.

Treeshka · January 2023

Solution to lag is not banning groups or banning anything within Cyrodiil.

LittlePinkDot · January 2023

subarctic wrote: »

Cyro is dying, at least Ebonheart Pact EU on PC. My pvp guild even refuse to play in Cyro, on Saturday and Sunday early evening, because of the 200+ ping. I just played solo today. Skills lagged a lot even with my high-end pc with fast fiber connection in Norway. Could not find a group to play with (because EP in Gray Host has few guilds and groups it seems) but noticed many in chat complaining about lag. When AD and DC run in ball groups, the lag seems to follow, so why not ban all groups? I mean, ESO already banned 24 player groups, which once made the game fun in 2014/15, so why not ban all groups in order to reduce lag? And make the playing field more even for us in EP who are too unorganized and undisciplined to create proper ball groups on the EU PC server Btw, right now there is a 30K score difference between AD and DC in our campaign. AD is 20K ahead of EP which somehow have managed to beat DC despite our undisciplined and individualistic play style. Solo gaming is fun, so let’s ban all groups!

People need to be able to communicate to organize raiding keeps etc.

I haven't had lag problems on PS5 in Cyro.
People need to group in order to hear eachothers voice chat.

blktauna · January 2023

Maybe if they actually put some real effort into fixing the issues in Cyro we wouldn't have these posts anymore.

Elendir2am · January 2023

subarctic wrote: »

@Elsonso:

I agree, the lag was hell in 2015 but the 24 groups where fun, and fun to lead too, but the lag will be even worse now prb because better graphics and more skills/races plus customized armor/skins take a toll on the server, I guess. Anyway, Cyro sucks now, though it still can be fun each time we in EP manage to create a zerg and take a keep. Waves of undisciplined players and maybe less DC activity sometimes, can explain why EP is now 10K ahead of DC, but we still 20K behind AD. Game unbalanced. That’s my subjective impression, but I don’t play much in Cyro any longer, like many vets, so can’t know for sure what’s really going on in GH EU PC this season.

Any zerg in PC EU GH is big sum of walking AP. Zerg can take down few randomers, or barely defended keep. Zerg get farmed by ball-group or surpris wiped by small-scales.

If you see successful attack of EP crowd, that it is thank to be hardened by ball-group or small-scales. I am guessing, that same good PvP players can help zerg to deal with some medium threat as well.

I am playing for EP in PC EU GH. Most time solo, occasionally small scale. I know immediately, if some EP organised group is present, when I play solo. When I start to see synergies, I start to push more aggressively.

subarctic · January 2023

@Starlight_Knight:

Have any ball group guild I can join? Used to play with subhuman and Red Diamond (and War Council + Wabba) back in 2014/15, so miss good team work.

Okay, so ban all ball groups in Cyro except the one I might join in GH EU PC. That sounds fair.

Four_Fingers · January 2023

Maybe we should ban 12 man groups in trials as well. /s
Heck ban the whole game and play Crash Bandicoot.

wilykcat · January 2023

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Maybe we should ban 12 man groups in trials as well. /s
Heck ban the whole game and play Crash Bandicoot.

12 man groups that all eat pineapple on pizza while doing PvP. Also Activision games are garbage so no crash bandicoot. I'd rather play Elderscrolls Online and League of Legends for that matter.

Diminish · January 2023

subarctic wrote: »

@Elsonso:

I agree, the lag was hell in 2015 but the 24 groups where fun, and fun to lead too, but the lag will be even worse now prb because better graphics and more skills/races plus customized armor/skins take a toll on the server, I guess. Anyway, Cyro sucks now, though it still can be fun each time we in EP manage to create a zerg and take a keep. Waves of undisciplined players and maybe less DC activity sometimes, can explain why EP is now 10K ahead of DC, but we still 20K behind AD. Game unbalanced. That’s my subjective impression, but I don’t play much in Cyro any longer, like many vets, so can’t know for sure what’s really going on in GH EU PC this season.

How is it the fault of AD, DC, ball groups, lag, etc... that EP is not in first place? Sounds like an EP issue to me... The game is not "unbalanced" simply because there are better or more active players on the other faction(s). Everyone in Cyrodiil is playing under the same performance issues. There are many reasons why people run ball groups; it is an MMO after all, and many people like to play with others, socialize, etc. If you want smaller group sizes you can always play BGs. You can put a group together on while playing on EP just like AD can. You can also play an AD/DC character if that is what you choose to do. Requesting to ban groups simply because your faction is not in 1st place is a ridiculous request. People will still group through Discord and other means just like they have been since group sizes got cut in half.

LittlePinkDot · January 2023

wilykcat wrote: »

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Maybe we should ban 12 man groups in trials as well. /s
Heck ban the whole game and play Crash Bandicoot.

12 man groups that all eat pineapple on pizza while doing PvP. Also Activision games are garbage so no crash bandicoot. I'd rather play Elderscrolls Online and League of Legends for that matter.

Pineapple doesn't belong on pizza! Lol

Dojohoda · January 2023

As one who plays in Cyrodiil in both pcna and pceu, I can understand the reasoning behind the idea, however; disabling groups in Cyrodiil would be an unusual move for an mmo. It'd make the gamer news. It's still good to bring up the topic of Cyrodiil because the "squeaky wheel gets the oil", right?

Personally, I think Cyrodiil is the best part of the game. I like pve, but running through Cyrodiil among 60+ players of all alliances while fighting over something like a scroll or a keep is the best.

As always, best wishes to the team.

subarctic · January 2023

Make the gamer news? I love that! Getting blamed for having caused the ban of all groups in Cyrodiil would be even sweeter, a cherry (or pineapple) on top. And contrary to what some critics here have argued I see nothing wrong with banning AD and DC when my own faction loses.

Dojohoda · January 2023

As an EP on pceu, I am incredibly proud of the ones that make an appearance in Cyrodiil. We need more of you to swagger in and join the fight.

Foxtrot39 · January 2023

Just gonna skip most and say

If you ban groups, how are all those skills/buffs that aren't functionning on non group member gonna work?

That's about half the game tool kit (skill, passives and support sets) made moot

LarsS · January 2023

I don't think reducing groups to 12 reduced any lag, what we got when group size was reduced, was faction zergs and they produces lots of lag. Earlier there were more of cooperating groups of randoms going for different keeps, so in the end lag increased when group size was reduced.

SeaGtGruff · January 2023

I didn't have any trouble following what the OP meant, despite the choice of words. Just replace "ban" with "disable."

I don't know what impact grouping has on calculations and server performance, but leaving that question aside for now, what are the benefits of grouping? If grouping were to be disabled, what benefits would players be losing?