I was going to make my own post, but this post says almost exactly what I came to say with a few caveats. First let me say I'm a long time fan of the series, been playing since Morrowind and I love ES!

That being said I have to agree with the OP, the public dungeons were a great concept that just doesn't pan out in the real world. There are SO many people trying to play through the dungeon that you're lucky if you can even fully kill a mob without someone else swooping in and demolishing them. It's far worse when you get to the "boss". I have been through many public dungeons and there are always at LEAST 3 people camping the boss (not bots - real actual people that just want to fight the boss alone). But inevitably the boss spawns and everyone attacks - so the "boss" dies in 1 second. You can't fix this problem with removing bots. The problem is caused by legitimate people trying to play the game.

My plea is this - either make MANY more group instanced dungeons, or please just make the public dungeons group instanced. There is simply not enough group instanced content that gives me format that I can play with my group of friends without it being ruined by other people just trying to play the game.

Also, you don't have a section for my next comment so I'll say it here. Please also group instance the bosses for quests. You guys already have a great setup - all quests seem to have bosses in little houses, or little caves that could EASILY be group instanced. I can't tell you how many times my wife and I have done all the leg work to complete a quest (bread and butter of ES series), only to enter a house / cave that has the quest boss and immediately be told I completed a quest because somewhere in the house / cave another group of people just killed the quest boss. We have even waited outside for people to leave and then SPRINTED through houses trying to find the boss only to have someone come up behind us and slaughter the boss for us.

What is the point to doing all the leg work in quests to build up to having to fight a quest boss only to have it immediately completed by some other people just trying to play the game? I am honestly wondering what is really left for me in this game. public dungeons are broken. Quests are broken. The only thing that supports group play is group instanced dungeons and there is only one on each continent.

The main quest and guild quests are instanced - but only solo instanced so i cant play those with my wife / friends either. Currently this game doesn't cater to people would want to play with friends, barely caters to people that want to play solo (main and guild quests), and MOSTLY caters to people who play with no friends, want mobs and bosses to die immediately with no effort, and want quests to automatically complete after having done the grunt work of running around.

PLEASE fix this soon. It's ruining the entire game and the hope that you'll fix it is the only reason I'm continuing to play.

Also random side note, a lot of your dungeons are copy / pastes of other dungeons. I understand the value in that to get the game out the door, but I really hope you plan to re-design the dungeons later. I just ran the orc finger pub dungeon with my wife last night and it was the EXACT layout of the early mages guild quest where you have to gather 4 books. Same goes for your towers. I have ran up to the top of every tower to explore for hidden goodies at the top only to find every single tower is the exact copy paste of the previous. Run up the spiral steps, jump the gap at the top to go higher, then jump up on the slanted section to get to the very top only to find.. no goodies. This is all minor compared to the top section stuff. Fix this after the top stuff.

I really hope the devs are reading this...

_subjectnamehere_ wrote: »

Not only do the bosses spawn ridiculously slow, but you have to be the one to get the killing blow in order for it to count? ZENIMAX, wasn't one of your main selling points for this game "everyone gets credit for helping each other out?" If my group of four takes down a boss, I want credit for it. Why should I have to kill the boss four times with my group, making sure everyone gets a killing blow? think?

That's not even how it works. You just have to deal damage to them at all, and you will get the achievement for finishing the dungeon. To me, it sounds like you aren't landing any hits on the boss. There are NO enemies in the game that require you to land a finishing blow on them to credit you with the kill. All you need to do is hit them once. You can do that, right?

All of the indoor/underground areas seem to be overcrowded. And when many of these places are so small and narrow, even 2 or 3 people is enough to ruin the experiences when they enter at the same time.

And it seems to be impossible to fight normally in these places when other players are attacking everything they can target regardless of whether someone else is already fighting it.

The bosses usually also haw some dialogue the call out when they are being attacked that is supposed to add a bit of drama to the fight. But it ends up feeling kind of meaningless when you have heard the same dialogue over and over again by the time you actually reach the boss. since it is being attacked and killed constantly.

Most of these places feel like they were designed for one player or a small group of players working together. and if they want to have more people inside at the same time they should at least make sure that people don't enter at the same time and that the time between entry is long enough to allow mobs to re spawn. And they should make sure that there are absolutely no reason for people to hang around after the boss is killed.

frnor wrote: »

All of the indoor/underground areas seem to be overcrowded. And when many of these places are so small and narrow, even 2 or 3 people is enough to ruin the experiences when they enter at the same time.

And it seems to be impossible to fight normally in these places when other players are attacking everything they can target regardless of whether someone else is already fighting it.

The bosses usually also haw some dialogue the call out when they are being attacked that is supposed to add a bit of drama to the fight. But it ends up feeling kind of meaningless when you have heard the same dialogue over and over again by the time you actually reach the boss. since it is being attacked and killed constantly.

Most of these places feel like they were designed for one player or a small group of players working together. and if they want to have more people inside at the same time they should at least make sure that people don't enter at the same time and that the time between entry is long enough to allow mobs to re spawn. And they should make sure that there are absolutely no reason for people to hang around after the boss is killed.

the issue is , none of the mobs scale to how many players are that other mmos seem to be trying to adopt without screwing the playerbase over (like from loot for example , like how GW2 does if you want to see why THAT is such a "great" idea) , if they did that bots would have gotten screwed over a little with other players there , as well as mobs not being insta gibbed as they were / still are. the change needed wasnt lootlockout , it was better mob scaling. the poorer decision was made here , the decision that kills games. can try to deny it all you want , just go look at GW2 if you want to see why this idea is NOT good at all for an mmo setting , GW2 only keeps the amount of players it has by being free to play. either the system needs to get changed back and maybe add mob scaling or the game will have to go F2P , that is what will happen at this point whether you like it or not. your dealing with an mmo community , not just a single player ES group , as well as YOUR NOT PLAYING SINGLE PLAYER , STOP HAVING THE EXPECTATION OF SINGLE PLAYER.

1) No you don't need a killing blow to get credit. You do have to use your highest burst damage ability when there are people camping the boss though, if you want loot.

2) I agree that the public "solo" dungeons are completely broken and should be instanced to players/groups.

3) Group "instanced" dungeons a la"Spindleclutch" etc., are what MMO's are all about. If you're unfamiliar with group dungeons, or the min-maxing and degree of intense preparation that's involved with high level end-game content, you're in for a rude awakening.