No PVP Content Coming In 2023?

FlopsyPrince · November 2022

Atrael7 wrote: »

React wrote: »

Furthermore, what about the "special rulesets for cyrodiil" that Matt promised us?

They're coming... They just need to finish up on that U35 Q&A first.

Jokes aside, I was also initially excited when I saw that. I thought, hey, maybe they'll remember Ravenwatch exists and do something, anything, about it.

I am no longer excited.

React wrote: »

In the January PVP update from @ZOS_MattFiror , he said the following.

ZOS_MattFiror wrote: »

we won’t be adding any new features to PvP until the work mentioned above is complete

In today's update from @ZOS_GinaBruno regarding the work mentioned by Matt in the above post, she says the following.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We have also been working on the re-architecture we originally mentioned earlier this year. It's worth noting this isn't a single item that will go into an individual update, but contains many smaller pieces that will be released over multiple updates starting next year.

All I can read into Gina's statement is that these many smaller pieces will take a while to all roll out, and, given the complexity of the task we're talking about here, I see no indication or guarantee that it'll take just 2023 to do so, just a vague commitment that they'll start implementing then. You could well be looking at 2024 with no pvp, 2025.. After all, we're talking about rather complicated server architecture that the whole game is hanging on here being gradually reimplemented from scratch - U36 was supposed to be a chill, change-nothing update, and we saw how well that went.

React wrote: »

Matt mentions that the main reason that they will not add content to pvp is that they "do not want to exacerbate the issue of poor performance". What about imperial city? It's been dying for a rework for years now. What about battlegrounds? People have been begging for custom BGs, or new formats/sizes of BGs for years. What about dueling? People have been asking for group dueling since dueling's inception. The cyrodiil performance issues do not affect any of these.

The community has asked for years about new content for pvp, things other than Cyrodiil that wouldn't be affected by the bad performance there, and I think we've gotten a grand total of, oh let's see, some emotes, a couple of costumes and the funny side effect of the performance tests that no proc Ravenwatch is? So, some fluff and another dead campaign (a campaign, which, at least on PC EU, used to be as popular as Grey Host back before the changes). Apart from that, all I can think of is bg weekends and 10% bonus xp, which I don't view as new content.

Draw whatever conclusions you want from that, but for me, actions speak louder than words, and I'm sorry to say this, but their actions over these past years give me no confidence that they'll give us anything worthwhile anytime soon. The way I see it, the dev team is hard at work producing new quests, zones, dungeons and crown store content to keep up with their established yearly format, while pvp's been relegated to this side activity that's left there as a "take it as it is" for the minority that still cares for that kind of experience in ESO. Maybe in the mystical future when the re-architecturing is complete and performance is improved that trend'll change, assuming there's still enough of a pvp player base to justify the cost of making that content.

I strongly suspect that they have reduced the number of people working on ESO to put more into the new game they are supposed to be working on. That would explain many things.

I don't think that is a good idea, but they don't ask me.

Amottica · November 2022

React wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

I think new content for PvP would be detrimental to PvP. The population is already thin and any new content would spread that population even farther. I would like to see some new dynamics in content we already have available. There is some things they could do with Imperial City to spice up that area.
For the most part adjusting to other players provides what new content for PvE provides. Where we play isn't as important as who we are killing.

I agree that PvP needs to be stabilized. Cyrodiil has emptied out over the years due to performance.

I think BG formats can use a change after they fix overall performance. 4v4 or even 8v8 would be better than the three-team groups. Even then, the actual formats could use a change, such as providing an incentive and a need to defend the flag once it has been obtained.

Though I think IC is a lost cause. Without making it a mini-Cyrodiil I do not see anything providing a sustained reason to be there.

I disagree completely about IC, and I think it is the most viable candidate for a rework. I linked a post that I wrote in an above comment detailing how they could reinvorgiate IC and provide lasting/meaningful rewards as well as engaging PVP.

If anything was a lost cause, it would certainly be cyrodiil given the awful performance.

I do agree that two teams would be far better than three, and I'd love to see them rework battlegrounds to accommodate that. Whether that is 6v6, 8v8, etc.

Of course, it is the most viable candidate for a rework as it is basically ignored by players. However, it would require a complete rework and redesign as there is no incentive or reason for a large number of players to go there outside of an event.

The reality is if Zenimax is doing to do a major overhaul they might as well sell it in a new DLC.

And for Cyrodiil, even with the performance issues, more players go there than IC which proves it is far from a lost cause. \

React · November 2022

Amottica wrote: »

React wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

I think new content for PvP would be detrimental to PvP. The population is already thin and any new content would spread that population even farther. I would like to see some new dynamics in content we already have available. There is some things they could do with Imperial City to spice up that area.
For the most part adjusting to other players provides what new content for PvE provides. Where we play isn't as important as who we are killing.

I agree that PvP needs to be stabilized. Cyrodiil has emptied out over the years due to performance.

I think BG formats can use a change after they fix overall performance. 4v4 or even 8v8 would be better than the three-team groups. Even then, the actual formats could use a change, such as providing an incentive and a need to defend the flag once it has been obtained.

Though I think IC is a lost cause. Without making it a mini-Cyrodiil I do not see anything providing a sustained reason to be there.

I disagree completely about IC, and I think it is the most viable candidate for a rework. I linked a post that I wrote in an above comment detailing how they could reinvorgiate IC and provide lasting/meaningful rewards as well as engaging PVP.

If anything was a lost cause, it would certainly be cyrodiil given the awful performance.

I do agree that two teams would be far better than three, and I'd love to see them rework battlegrounds to accommodate that. Whether that is 6v6, 8v8, etc.

Of course, it is the most viable candidate for a rework as it is basically ignored by players. However, it would require a complete rework and redesign as there is no incentive or reason for a large number of players to go there outside of an event.

The reality is if Zenimax is doing to do a major overhaul they might as well sell it in a new DLC.

And for Cyrodiil, even with the performance issues, more players go there than IC which proves it is far from a lost cause. \

Obviously, if there was a complete rework and redesign of IC, there would be incentive added to entice players into there. Again, I wrote a very detailed post about how that could work in a way that would provide meaningful rewards, long term goals, and a new format of PVP that doesn't exist in the game currently.

The problem with cyrodiil is that the performance issues will not be fixed within the next year. Every night since U36 dropped, grayhost on PC NA has been extremely laggy - so not even new server hardware is a solution to the issues.

I'd be all for cyrodiil receiving reworks and new incentives, but there is no point in doing that if they cannot permanently fix the performance in there first. Imperial City on the other hand does not suffer from these same performance issues, making it a far better candidate for a rework that could come within the next year.

A new zone would be great, sure. That is a DLC I would absolutely buy. But in reality they've put the bare minimum into PVP since Imperial City launched, and I don't see that changing now. Even asking them to do a rework to IC/BGs/dueling is probably a stretch.

Elsonso · November 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

I strongly suspect that they have reduced the number of people working on ESO to put more into the new game they are supposed to be working on. That would explain many things.

Reduced? Hard to know for sure. Migration? Distinct possibility. Moving to a new game could be an active way for some of the devs to have a chance to get a promotion. Either they have to go to another project or the person above them in the promotion line has to. The ranks are filled with minions coming in for lower level jobs created by people moving up and out from the middle ranks. New blood from this migration could explain a lot, and could be what we are seeing.

Jaraal · November 2022

Elsonso wrote: »

The ranks are filled with minions coming in for lower level jobs created by people moving up and out from the middle ranks. New blood from this migration could explain a lot, and could be what we are seeing.

They all answer to the same studio director, creative director, and combat director.... who are still responsible for making sure the changes and new content work before being published. New hires are not going to change the status quo, as long as the same management is running the show.

OBJnoob · November 2022

I'm not against any of the suggestions here... And obviously not against the overall cry for "any content pleeeease" either. But if I had my wish... I'd wish for group duels. I admit I don't know much about it... But my tiny brain tells me it shouldn't be that hard to bring about? Easier than revamping all bg modes for example. And I think some of the bg complaints would go away if those hardcore competitors could just 3v3 or 5v5 whoever and whenever they wanted. In fact it'd largely remove the need to change bgs at all, since they are almost exclusively obj these days, and DM enthusiasts would be able to DM whenever they wanted. No que time even.

Jammy420 · November 2022

I took a one year break from cyro and pvp, and the lag, performance, and everything all around is worse. So I honestly have lost hope. The only thing thats better is the multi core option in game which at least makes my frames stable.

Jammy420 · November 2022

GreatGildersleeve wrote: »

Don’t be surprised if they eventually phase out PvP completely. With Lambert saying 90% of the player base is overland, Elder Scrolls solo type players, the PvP poses problems that are easier to remove than fix.

Ah yes, the classic " undesireables dont matter, simply removing them would be easier " argument. Not good form.

Jaimeh wrote: »

GreatGildersleeve wrote: »

Don’t be surprised if they eventually phase out PvP completely. With Lambert saying 90% of the player base is overland, Elder Scrolls solo type players, the PvP poses problems that are easier to remove than fix.

I'm unironically scared too they might flat out delete Cyrodiil. I hope we never have to see that day.

If they do that I , after playing since beta and spending an absurd amount over the years, and my wife, would leave. Removing a whole player base because of lack of effort on the developers would be a massive slap in the face and a huge red flag.

blktauna · November 2022

I've been saying they're going to sunset Cyrodil for the last 3 years. This amount of neglect signals it. I'd love to be completely wrong tho.

Jammy420 · November 2022

blktauna wrote: »

I've been saying they're going to sunset Cyrodil for the last 3 years. This amount of neglect signals it. I'd love to be completely wrong tho.

I would want a full refund then, because I bought the game for cyro, it was advertised as its main selling point when I purchased at full price.

RMW · November 2022

fizzylu wrote: »

RMW wrote: »

The problem with that is that they would not only have to rework Cyrodiil as a whole but also Cyrodiil related achievements, siege weapons and how the function, story quests and voiceovers that mention Cyrodiil and the war, an explanation why the alliances are fighting in an IC like deadra pocket dimenson for the throne etc. And also lore wise. That actually might be more work than it's worth it. Maybe they will add a PvE Cyro for the few quest there are or maybe a chapter where you can visit Cyro in a different time-line or time-period or something, but I'm not seeing them doing such a massive overhaul with how things are looking.

And no, I don't wanna gate-keep Cyrodiil from the PvE crowd, heck, they can add the both options mentioned above, but if they can't even give PvP Cyro an overhaul the chances are pretty slim for a PvE Cyro.

It's only a "problem" if ZOS doesn't want to put in the effort and resources to make such a change.... and I mean, I think it's just time to admit that Zenimax could do a lot of things player ask for/suggest, they just won't. WoW has overhauled entire zones before, more than once even (Darkshore). They also have a legacy achievement section for old achievements you can't get anymore. And I disagree that this would be more work than it's worth. Cyrodiil is dying, it's been running like it's on life support (lowkey the whole game has) and something needs to change. Revamping Cyrodiil to be normal PVE zones would draw in PVE players. Recreating the Cyrodiil style war in a new zone and polished up a bit more would draw in PVP players. It's a win-win. The only "loss" on Zenimax's part would be actually having to invest time, money, and effort into doing something for the game.... but the payoff would be well worth it. Sadly though, ZOS would rather just continue to line their pockets with reskinned crown store mounts and RNG crates before actually investing more into improving their game.

And that is the biggest issue. They definelty can overhaul many aspects of the game but it looks like the clown crates are more important than that. If they would do these overhauls it would make the game healthier and the playerbase happier. And that does not only include Cyrodiil and IC.
Saw someone asking the other day if zones like Murkmire could get some love because they had trouble finding people doing dailies but oh well.

Xandreia_ · November 2022

blktauna wrote: »

I've been saying they're going to sunset Cyrodil for the last 3 years. This amount of neglect signals it. I'd love to be completely wrong tho.

solo on PCNA is practically dead right now, the performance is back to abysmal and zergs just chase and ult dump solos like their life depends on it. in my opinion, ball groups destroy any hope of performance getting better, they will always find a way to over heal and use at least 10x the amount of calculations on the server than needed. you can tell when there are ball groups gvg'ing because the performance just tanks. (im not just saying this for giggles, i have experience of being in a ball group)
but saying that, there is never going to be a time where there is no ball groups so in an ideal world zos have to work around them, which as we have seen, they wont do.

pvp has been neglected for so long that even if they say they are going to fix it we just cant believe a thing they say.

ATomiX69 · November 2022

PvP died with the introduction of faction locks anyways, nothing to see here move along.

Amottica · November 2022

React wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

React wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

I think new content for PvP would be detrimental to PvP. The population is already thin and any new content would spread that population even farther. I would like to see some new dynamics in content we already have available. There is some things they could do with Imperial City to spice up that area.
For the most part adjusting to other players provides what new content for PvE provides. Where we play isn't as important as who we are killing.

I agree that PvP needs to be stabilized. Cyrodiil has emptied out over the years due to performance.

I think BG formats can use a change after they fix overall performance. 4v4 or even 8v8 would be better than the three-team groups. Even then, the actual formats could use a change, such as providing an incentive and a need to defend the flag once it has been obtained.

Though I think IC is a lost cause. Without making it a mini-Cyrodiil I do not see anything providing a sustained reason to be there.

I disagree completely about IC, and I think it is the most viable candidate for a rework. I linked a post that I wrote in an above comment detailing how they could reinvorgiate IC and provide lasting/meaningful rewards as well as engaging PVP.

If anything was a lost cause, it would certainly be cyrodiil given the awful performance.

I do agree that two teams would be far better than three, and I'd love to see them rework battlegrounds to accommodate that. Whether that is 6v6, 8v8, etc.

Of course, it is the most viable candidate for a rework as it is basically ignored by players. However, it would require a complete rework and redesign as there is no incentive or reason for a large number of players to go there outside of an event.

The reality is if Zenimax is doing to do a major overhaul they might as well sell it in a new DLC.

And for Cyrodiil, even with the performance issues, more players go there than IC which proves it is far from a lost cause. \

Obviously, if there was a complete rework and redesign of IC, there would be incentive added to entice players into there. Again, I wrote a very detailed post about how that could work in a way that would provide meaningful rewards, long term goals, and a new format of PVP that doesn't exist in the game currently.

The problem with cyrodiil is that the performance issues will not be fixed within the next year. Every night since U36 dropped, grayhost on PC NA has been extremely laggy - so not even new server hardware is a solution to the issues.

I'd be all for cyrodiil receiving reworks and new incentives, but there is no point in doing that if they cannot permanently fix the performance in there first. Imperial City on the other hand does not suffer from these same performance issues, making it a far better candidate for a rework that could come within the next year.

A new zone would be great, sure. That is a DLC I would absolutely buy. But in reality they've put the bare minimum into PVP since Imperial City launched, and I don't see that changing now. Even asking them to do a rework to IC/BGs/dueling is probably a stretch.

Cyrodiil does not really need a rework. It just needs better performance as it already has a good incentive design. People have left Cyrodiil mostly due to the performance.

Also, if they cannot get the performance issue rectified there is no point to reworking IC. If they actually did something that drew the players in it would likely experience the same performance issues.

A new zone is the most unlikely result. Zenimax has not been able to monetize PvP. BGs are a great example of that. They had to give BGs away for free as not enough people were buying into it. Without being able to directly monetize it the business side would likely balk at spending the money and resources to build out a new zone.

React · November 2022

Amottica wrote: »

Cyrodiil does not really need a rework. It just needs better performance as it already has a good incentive design. People have left Cyrodiil mostly due to the performance.

Disagree. The reward system in cyrodiil is not good. You receive hundreds of worthless/useless set pieces as the primary reward. You cannot effeciently make gold for the time spent by converting your AP, there are numerous other methods in the game that are exponentially faster for earning gold. You can earn some decent transmutes sure, but still less than many other activities in the game. There is plenty of room for a rework to the way this reward system works.

The rank system is cool the first time around, but once you've hit 50 once it really becomes meaningless. There is room for improvement here with a "prestige" system where you can earn new rank rewards, such as titles/dyes/cosmetics etc.

Cyrodiil itself needs change aswell, but I honestly don't even know where to start with that. All that said though, there is no point in doing this if they cannot fix the performance in cyrodiil.

Amottica wrote: »

Also, if they cannot get the performance issue rectified there is no point to reworking IC. If they actually did something that drew the players in it would likely experience the same performance issues.

This doesn't make sense. I have never witnessed cyrodiil tier lag in IC, even during events when the entire IC campaign is full with dozens of people fighting simultaneously in the same districts. Presumably a big part of the reason why it doesn't lag like cyrodiil is because it is split into districts/chunks - this shouldn't/wouldn't change in a rework.

It seems like your standpoint is "nothing should change anytime soon", which is fine - but the vast majority of people I've spoken to do not feel this way.

xylena_lazarow · November 2022

"Fixed an issue where players could die in PvP"

Lebkuchen · November 2022

When nuclear fusion powers the Holodeck in my self-driving flying house on Mars, PvP will probably still be laggy and buggy with no new content. I admire your energy, you have been very active in the forums for a couple of days. But it is unlikely that players/customers can persuade them to change anything. This is not a democracy, it's a game, owned by a company, not the players. Unfortunately. I was hoping for improvements too, but i lost faith. It feels like PvP in ESO is a lost cause. "Persistent, traumatic grief can cause us to cycle (sometimes quickly) through the stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance." I went through a lot of anger and bargaining, now i am between depression and acceptance. But that does not mean you have to give up too. "Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light..."

Amottica · November 2022

React wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Cyrodiil does not really need a rework. It just needs better performance as it already has a good incentive design. People have left Cyrodiil mostly due to the performance.

Disagree. The reward system in cyrodiil is not good. You receive hundreds of worthless/useless set pieces as the primary reward. You cannot effeciently make gold for the time spent by converting your AP, there are numerous other methods in the game that are exponentially faster for earning gold. You can earn some decent transmutes sure, but still less than many other activities in the game. There is plenty of room for a rework to the way this reward system works.

The rank system is cool the first time around, but once you've hit 50 once it really becomes meaningless. There is room for improvement here with a "prestige" system where you can earn new rank rewards, such as titles/dyes/cosmetics etc.

Cyrodiil itself needs change aswell, but I honestly don't even know where to start with that. All that said though, there is no point in doing this if they cannot fix the performance in cyrodiil.

Amottica wrote: »

Also, if they cannot get the performance issue rectified there is no point to reworking IC. If they actually did something that drew the players in it would likely experience the same performance issues.

This doesn't make sense. I have never witnessed cyrodiil tier lag in IC, even during events when the entire IC campaign is full with dozens of people fighting simultaneously in the same districts. Presumably a big part of the reason why it doesn't lag like cyrodiil is because it is split into districts/chunks - this shouldn't/wouldn't change in a rework.

It seems like your standpoint is "nothing should change anytime soon", which is fine - but the vast majority of people I've spoken to do not feel this way.

1. personally not liking Cyrodiils reward system when the zone itself draws players does not constitute a need to rework it. Sure, anything can use a tweak but overall Cyrodiil is fine outside of the performance issues.

2. and we have not seen IC full, even during events it is not really full. I have seen some groups here and there during an event but nothing compared to what we have in Cyrodiil. Giving players something worthwhile to do would change that. So my comment does make a lot of sense.

React · November 2022

Amottica wrote: »

1. personally not liking Cyrodiils reward system when the zone itself draws players does not constitute a need to rework it. Sure, anything can use a tweak but overall Cyrodiil is fine outside of the performance issues.

The zone draws players to it because it has been the primary outlet for PVP since launch. The players in cyrodiil aren't there for the rewards, they are there because it is the only outlet where they can engage in medium-large scale fights with consistency. While it is my opinion that the reward structure is lacking, I know that I'm not the only one that feels this way. The rewards are objectively bad when you compare them to other activities and look at the time investment required to net them. If they implemented a token system from ROTW to allow for the direct purchasing of specific gear rolls while adding new non-gear purchaseables, it would already be drastically improved from what it is now.

Amottica wrote: »

2. and we have not seen IC full, even during events it is not really full. I have seen some groups here and there during an event but nothing compared to what we have in Cyrodiil. Giving players something worthwhile to do would change that. So my comment does make a lot of sense.

This is incorrect though. The primary instance was full during the previous two MYM events and during last years double TV event - I have footage of this and clips where my group is engaged with over 20-30 players (including a clip where miats has over 60 people in one district on the player counter). It didn't lag at any point during any of this.

Your suggestion that the content should be left untouched and dead because "there's a chance it will lag" despite there being evidence to the contrary is absolutely bizarre.

YandereGirlfriend · November 2022

I can understand if no new systems are to be added in the near-future, however, it is abundantly clear that ESO still has many gifted artists working on it so how about some new motifs and such for PvP?

The most recent was the Dragonguard Berserker motif available from the IC, which was great, but that was also like a year ago and nothing has been added since.

Beyond motifs, how about a mount? A pet? A skin? Or some unique action animations, the concept of which debuted in the most recent patch? Perhaps tie some of these to the leaderboards across various PvP venues.

I would take this as "new PvP content" until which time we can actually get new systems. Just make sure that it is available ONLY from PvPing and not as something that anyone can simply brute-force with gold.

OtarTheMad · November 2022

I mean they could add content to PvP but honestly, it would just screw up PvP servers until that work is done. I say let them finish it.

You don't know it now but by them not adding content to PvP it's helping. They tried to add crap to PvP in the past while doing heavy rewrites and stuff, didn't go well. Even Rich admitted that, Volendrung and Seigeable bridges and milegates anyone? They wanted to give us something because they felt bad but because the servers were already screwed it hurt them.

Although if this means no new class or race or weapon line or guild skill line for 2023 chapter, or just no meaty new content for any parts of the game and we are getting yet another thin year of content, I don't know how I feel about that. I already didn't buy High Isle even though I understood and agreed another thin year made sense but next year too? I don't know.

Wolfshade · November 2022

I`am not a great fan of a re-work or huge new features in cyro or ic. Booth are individual areas for pvp. The only thing of an rework i would like to see, if the the keeps in cyro would get a redesign. The whole gameplay of fighting in inner and outer keeps getting a little bit boring after the years. Organised groups play all the same, with same ways and nearly the same tactics. It feels like mechanical gameplay like in trials. Do that at this point, that at that point, now stack this and now that.

A redesign of the keeps could bring fresh wind in the big battles in the keeps. New corners with new challenges in the battles, would be enough for me.

React · November 2022

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I mean they could add content to PvP but honestly, it would just screw up PvP servers until that work is done. I say let them finish it.

You don't know it now but by them not adding content to PvP it's helping.

Although if this means no new class or race or weapon line or guild skill line for 2023 chapter, or just no meaty new content for any parts of the game and we are getting yet another thin year of content, I don't know how I feel about that.

Why would reworking imperial city "screw up the pvp servers" when there are no performance issues in Imperial City to begin with? The same goes for battlegrounds, dueling, etc.

Even just adding monthly PVP events would be a huge boon for us PVP players.

The problem with "letting them finish it" is that they are not being clear with us about when it will be done, or even how the work is going currently. Matt's original post stated the eta was "most of 2022" and finished by saying "we'll give you periodic updates throughout the year". We did not receive periodic updates throughout the year, and we were told 11 months into the year long project that it would be deployed across multiple updates in 2023. They didn't specify if that meant it would begin Q1 2023 and finish Q4. They didn't specify if they need to do the server replacement first for evey server, meaning that the first code rewrite chunk probably wouldn't deploy until Q3 2023 at the earliest (assuming the console servers aren't finished until sometime during late Q1/Q2).

The state of PVP right now is abysmal. On PCNA, grayhost has been extremely laggy or unplayable every single night since U36 dropped - which is a massive step backwards from the nearly lag free experience we saw on PC NA after the servers were replaced. If we're relying on this code rewrite to fix the game while the performance is continually degrading and accepting that no new content will come in the mean time, I am certain that by the time we see any benefit from this code rewrite there will be no PVP population left at all.

jecks33 · November 2022

to give new life to Imperial City they HAVE to remove the 50% telvar loss if killed by a player

Amottica · November 2022

React wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

1. personally not liking Cyrodiils reward system when the zone itself draws players does not constitute a need to rework it. Sure, anything can use a tweak but overall Cyrodiil is fine outside of the performance issues.

The zone draws players to it because it has been the primary outlet for PVP since launch. The players in cyrodiil aren't there for the rewards, they are there because it is the only outlet where they can engage in medium-large scale fights with consistency. While it is my opinion that the reward structure is lacking, I know that I'm not the only one that feels this way. The rewards are objectively bad when you compare them to other activities and look at the time investment required to net them. If they implemented a token system from ROTW to allow for the direct purchasing of specific gear rolls while adding new non-gear purchaseables, it would already be drastically improved from what it is now.

Amottica wrote: »

2. and we have not seen IC full, even during events it is not really full. I have seen some groups here and there during an event but nothing compared to what we have in Cyrodiil. Giving players something worthwhile to do would change that. So my comment does make a lot of sense.

This is incorrect though. The primary instance was full during the previous two MYM events and during last years double TV event - I have footage of this and clips where my group is engaged with over 20-30 players (including a clip where miats has over 60 people in one district on the player counter). It didn't lag at any point during any of this.

Your suggestion that the content should be left untouched and dead because "there's a chance it will lag" despite there being evidence to the contrary is absolutely bizarre.

We both have our opinions and reasons for them. Thank you for sharing yours. Just as I respect your opinion I expect you have the some for mine.

Regards,

React · November 2022

jecks33 wrote: »

to give new life to Imperial City they HAVE to remove the 50% telvar loss if killed by a player

I disagree, this mechanic is what keeps imperial city exciting. I wrote a pretty detailed post about what I think a viable rework would look like - included in this is a large increase in overall telvar gain in both the districts and the sewers, allowing players to earn telvar efficiently through methods other than killing district bosses - such as doing molag bal, farming sewer mobs & trove stamps, killing normal districts mobs, etc.

React · November 2022

Amottica wrote: »

React wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

1. personally not liking Cyrodiils reward system when the zone itself draws players does not constitute a need to rework it. Sure, anything can use a tweak but overall Cyrodiil is fine outside of the performance issues.

The zone draws players to it because it has been the primary outlet for PVP since launch. The players in cyrodiil aren't there for the rewards, they are there because it is the only outlet where they can engage in medium-large scale fights with consistency. While it is my opinion that the reward structure is lacking, I know that I'm not the only one that feels this way. The rewards are objectively bad when you compare them to other activities and look at the time investment required to net them. If they implemented a token system from ROTW to allow for the direct purchasing of specific gear rolls while adding new non-gear purchaseables, it would already be drastically improved from what it is now.

Amottica wrote: »

2. and we have not seen IC full, even during events it is not really full. I have seen some groups here and there during an event but nothing compared to what we have in Cyrodiil. Giving players something worthwhile to do would change that. So my comment does make a lot of sense.

This is incorrect though. The primary instance was full during the previous two MYM events and during last years double TV event - I have footage of this and clips where my group is engaged with over 20-30 players (including a clip where miats has over 60 people in one district on the player counter). It didn't lag at any point during any of this.

Your suggestion that the content should be left untouched and dead because "there's a chance it will lag" despite there being evidence to the contrary is absolutely bizarre.

We both have our opinions and reasons for them. Thank you for sharing yours. Just as I respect your opinion I expect you have the some for mine.

Regards,

I respect your opinion, but when it comes to statements of fact is important that we do not spread misinformation, and this statement

Amottica wrote: »

2. and we have not seen IC full, even during events it is not really full.

is untrue.

jecks33 · November 2022

React wrote: »

jecks33 wrote: »

to give new life to Imperial City they HAVE to remove the 50% telvar loss if killed by a player

I disagree, this mechanic is what keeps imperial city exciting. I wrote a pretty detailed post about what I think a viable rework would look like - included in this is a large increase in overall telvar gain in both the districts and the sewers, allowing players to earn telvar efficiently through methods other than killing district bosses - such as doing molag bal, farming sewer mobs & trove stamps, killing normal districts mobs, etc.

exciting for gankers or expert players. Why should I waste my time farming stones and being killed by a random nb while looking at the map or passing a door?

if it's that exciting IC would be full of people, wouldn't it?

React · November 2022

jecks33 wrote: »

React wrote: »

jecks33 wrote: »

to give new life to Imperial City they HAVE to remove the 50% telvar loss if killed by a player

I disagree, this mechanic is what keeps imperial city exciting. I wrote a pretty detailed post about what I think a viable rework would look like - included in this is a large increase in overall telvar gain in both the districts and the sewers, allowing players to earn telvar efficiently through methods other than killing district bosses - such as doing molag bal, farming sewer mobs & trove stamps, killing normal districts mobs, etc.

exciting for gankers or expert players. Why should I waste my time farming stones and being killed by a random nb while looking at the map or passing a door?

if it's that exciting IC would be full of people, wouldn't it?

Well, ideally the rewards and the rate at which you earn telvar are supposed to justify the risk - this is exactly why we need a rework to the content and increase both of these things. With the only viable method of earning telvar being killing district bosses, which makes you an easy and obvious target, it is understandable why the telvar loss becomes a problem for many people. I do think it would seem much less problematic for thise people with better rewards, faster overall telvar gain, and alternative methods to ear that telvar.

RMW · November 2022

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I can understand if no new systems are to be added in the near-future, however, it is abundantly clear that ESO still has many gifted artists working on it so how about some new motifs and such for PvP?

The most recent was the Dragonguard Berserker motif available from the IC, which was great, but that was also like a year ago and nothing has been added since.

Beyond motifs, how about a mount? A pet? A skin? Or some unique action animations, the concept of which debuted in the most recent patch? Perhaps tie some of these to the leaderboards across various PvP venues.

I would take this as "new PvP content" until which time we can actually get new systems. Just make sure that it is available ONLY from PvPing and not as something that anyone can simply brute-force with gold.

They could add mounts to high PvP ranks, give out better goodies like costumes of skins for being in the Top 10, put pets in rewards of the worthy. Anything will be better than nothing at this point.