World Bosses - Too many people - Most people get NO drops

jle30303 · November 2022

The absurd rule that prevents people getting a drop from a world boss that they have been actively present and fighting for, should be scrapped at once. GIVE US THE LOOT WE DESERVE.

Just because you're not in the top 10-12 damagers when there are 40 people there means you're frozen out of actually being able to get loot from it, especially if some of said damagers are exploiting the dragonknight glitch that we already know about.

Make world bosses behave like Elsweyr dragons - if you're there and you damage it, you get the loot!

Necrotech_Master · November 2022

didnt they already hotfix the DK bug yesterday morning?

i do agree though that it is very annoying sometimes for overland boss encounters to prevent loot drops if too many people are hitting them, i think that kind of defeats the purpose of a WB

dragons and harrowstorms feel like better "world bosses" than actual WBs lol

Lady_Galadhiel · November 2022

Totally agree with you OP, I mostly do Worldbosses on my healer and it I never get loot when there are 40 or more killing it.
Someone mentioned in game a fragment or lead drops from the new worldbosses in Galen.
People like me will need to wait till the zone will get less populated to be able to farm bosses.

deleted221205-002626 · November 2022

jle30303 wrote: »

The absurd rule that prevents people getting a drop from a world boss that they have been actively present and fighting for, should be scrapped at once. GIVE US THE LOOT WE DESERVE.

Just because you're not in the top 10-12 damagers when there are 40 people there means you're frozen out of actually being able to get loot from it, especially if some of said damagers are exploiting the dragonknight glitch that we already know about.

Make world bosses behave like Elsweyr dragons - if you're there and you damage it, you get the loot!

Its not an absurd rule.. without youd have 100 lvl10's standing at the side lines not helping and doing 1 light attack at the end for credit.

jle30303 · November 2022

You still get credit for completing the area even if you don't get loot, and frankly, there's no good reason to shut people out of the loot.

And you don't get "100 level 10s standing at the sidelines not helping and doing 1 light attack at the end for credit" with dragons - and there are only five of those - so you wouldn't get that for World Bosses, of which there are a lot more.

basically, it's a "solution" to a problem which does not even exist, and even if it existed as a phenomenon, wouldn't be a problem.

Maitsukas · November 2022

Not only does the limit need to be removed, but the boss health really should scale with the amount of players attacking for at least a month.

redlink1979 · November 2022

You need to do the amount of damage that corresponds to 3% of the WB health to be able to loot it - eg: WB has 1 million HP, you need to do at least 30k damage to be able to loot it.
I'm sure the top 12 "rule" only applies to Barathrum Centrata (IC Sewers).

jle30303 wrote: »

(...) if some of said damagers are exploiting the dragonknight glitch that we already know about.(...)

That has already been fixed.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/621038/pc-na-eu-maintenance-november-3-4am-edt-8am-utc#latest

Necrotech_Master · November 2022

i dont see 100 lvl 10s camping a WB for many reasons

not very good xp
loot drops scale to level
gear stickerbooking makes the gear farming semi irrelevant to begin with

honestly the main incentive to even farm a WB at all is antiquity leads (and in this case 1 of the new tales of tribute deck fragments)

deleted221205-002626 · November 2022

jle30303 wrote: »

You still get credit for completing the area even if you don't get loot, and frankly, there's no good reason to shut people out of the loot.

And you don't get "100 level 10s standing at the sidelines not helping and doing 1 light attack at the end for credit" with dragons - and there are only five of those - so you wouldn't get that for World Bosses, of which there are a lot more.

basically, it's a "solution" to a problem which does not even exist, and even if it existed as a phenomenon, wouldn't be a problem.

Actual;ly its funny you mention dragons because that particularly the mob I had in mind and you DO have 10 lvl 10's hanging in the trees and running in at the end only...

Inhuman003 · November 2022

It would be nice to have a Guild Que and a group Que finder for World Bosses also normal mode, hard mode, very hard mode and world boss mode.

MreeBiPolar · November 2022

sinnereso wrote: »

jle30303 wrote: »

The absurd rule that prevents people getting a drop from a world boss that they have been actively present and fighting for, should be scrapped at once. GIVE US THE LOOT WE DESERVE.

Just because you're not in the top 10-12 damagers when there are 40 people there means you're frozen out of actually being able to get loot from it, especially if some of said damagers are exploiting the dragonknight glitch that we already know about.

Make world bosses behave like Elsweyr dragons - if you're there and you damage it, you get the loot!

Its not an absurd rule.. without youd have 100 lvl10's standing at the side lines not helping and doing 1 light attack at the end for credit.

It IS an absurd rule because it gives support no chance at loot. Needs to check other criteria than raw damage.

Snamyap · November 2022

Since when do World Bosses drop anything worthwhile?

kargen27 · November 2022

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i dont see 100 lvl 10s camping a WB for many reasons
not very good xp

loot drops scale to level

gear stickerbooking makes the gear farming semi irrelevant to begin with

honestly the main incentive to even farm a WB at all is antiquity leads (and in this case 1 of the new tales of tribute deck fragments)

kind of answered why you might see a lot of low levels around. The bosses are crowded now because of the new antiquity lead. If loot dropped for all that were in area players would park a character there to try for the lead. It might not always be a low level but you know it would happen like when people parked characters near dolmans long ago.

A couple of weeks from now (probably not that long) it won't be an issue either way. Just like the treasure chests that dropped the lead. All kinds of uproar about that lead for the first few days and then nothing.

deleted221205-002626 · November 2022

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

sinnereso wrote: »

jle30303 wrote: »

The absurd rule that prevents people getting a drop from a world boss that they have been actively present and fighting for, should be scrapped at once. GIVE US THE LOOT WE DESERVE.

Just because you're not in the top 10-12 damagers when there are 40 people there means you're frozen out of actually being able to get loot from it, especially if some of said damagers are exploiting the dragonknight glitch that we already know about.

Make world bosses behave like Elsweyr dragons - if you're there and you damage it, you get the loot!

Its not an absurd rule.. without youd have 100 lvl10's standing at the side lines not helping and doing 1 light attack at the end for credit.

It IS an absurd rule because it gives support no chance at loot. Needs to check other criteria than raw damage.

Then slot an execute for that 1-2days when a new expansion is super busy and problem solved!

Elendir2am · November 2022

sinnereso wrote: »

Actual;ly its funny you mention dragons because that particularly the mob I had in mind and you DO have 10 lvl 10's hanging in the trees and running in at the end only...

I never saw phenomenon, you are describing and I don't know, how could anybody see it combating dragon actively.

I prefer, that any LA spammer get loot, so I dont need to slow down to let them do enough damage to get loot.

KingArthasMenethil · November 2022

sinnereso wrote: »

jle30303 wrote: »

The absurd rule that prevents people getting a drop from a world boss that they have been actively present and fighting for, should be scrapped at once. GIVE US THE LOOT WE DESERVE.

Just because you're not in the top 10-12 damagers when there are 40 people there means you're frozen out of actually being able to get loot from it, especially if some of said damagers are exploiting the dragonknight glitch that we already know about.

Make world bosses behave like Elsweyr dragons - if you're there and you damage it, you get the loot!

Its not an absurd rule.. without youd have 100 lvl10's standing at the side lines not helping and doing 1 light attack at the end for credit.

it is. Because not everyone plays a damage dealer meaning if you're a tank you can easily miss out on loot and have no chance at getting it with a large enough group of people.

AcadianPaladin · November 2022

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Totally agree with you OP, I mostly do Worldbosses on my healer and it I never get loot when there are 40 or more killing it.
Someone mentioned in game a fragment or lead drops from the new worldbosses in Galen.
People like me will need to wait till the zone will get less populated to be able to farm bosses.

Same here. My healer's instinct when there are loads of players around is to simply weave heals with resto light attacks to keep her damage down - so all present get a chance to help kill the boss. Don't really care about the loot but I know many folks do and there really is no reason to punish healers and tanks trying to do what they're built for. Or courteous dd's who want to hold back giving others a chance to get some hits before the boss dies.

dmnqwk · November 2022

As far as I know, I have never failed to receive loot from these caches, but I still fully agree it's not fair.

I would be happy if they switched from 'top contributers' to 'random 10 people get loot' even though I would miss out.

Though, of course, I'd also like a severely penalty for those who don't contribute such as a month long ban and removal of all of their gold (I know it's a little harsh, but hey - we can all dream!)

Kiralyn2000 · November 2022

jle30303 wrote: »

The absurd rule that prevents people getting a drop from a world boss that they have been actively present and fighting for, should be scrapped at once. GIVE US THE LOOT WE DESERVE.

Just because you're not in the top 10-12 damagers when there are 40 people there

Hmm. Do you 'deserve' loot when there's 40 people there pounding on a ~4 man target?

/jk

MakeMeUhSamich · November 2022

100% agree with OP!

kargen27 · November 2022

KingArthasMenethil wrote: »

sinnereso wrote: »

jle30303 wrote: »

The absurd rule that prevents people getting a drop from a world boss that they have been actively present and fighting for, should be scrapped at once. GIVE US THE LOOT WE DESERVE.

Just because you're not in the top 10-12 damagers when there are 40 people there means you're frozen out of actually being able to get loot from it, especially if some of said damagers are exploiting the dragonknight glitch that we already know about.

Make world bosses behave like Elsweyr dragons - if you're there and you damage it, you get the loot!

Its not an absurd rule.. without youd have 100 lvl10's standing at the side lines not helping and doing 1 light attack at the end for credit.

it is. Because not everyone plays a damage dealer meaning if you're a tank you can easily miss out on loot and have no chance at getting it with a large enough group of people.

Would be nice if they included ways for tanks and healers to be involved. Not sure how they could make that happen though. With healers I suppose just a base number for healing other players? Can't do taunts for tanks though as that could lead to tanks competing for the taunt.

As I said above though this is usually only a problem for a short period of time. I don't bother to go to new zones for at least a week except to fish because I don't want to compete with the crowds that want instant gratification.

Necrotech_Master · November 2022

kargen27 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i dont see 100 lvl 10s camping a WB for many reasons
not very good xp

loot drops scale to level

gear stickerbooking makes the gear farming semi irrelevant to begin with

honestly the main incentive to even farm a WB at all is antiquity leads (and in this case 1 of the new tales of tribute deck fragments)

kind of answered why you might see a lot of low levels around. The bosses are crowded now because of the new antiquity lead. If loot dropped for all that were in area players would park a character there to try for the lead. It might not always be a low level but you know it would happen like when people parked characters near dolmans long ago.

A couple of weeks from now (probably not that long) it won't be an issue either way. Just like the treasure chests that dropped the lead. All kinds of uproar about that lead for the first few days and then nothing.

why would anyone use a lowbie to farm a lead in the first place? they wouldnt have any of the antiquity skill line leveled likely so they would have to change toons to go scry and dig it up anyway

if anything the 50 people farming the WB are all upper level toons (either a main running the content, and/or the toon that has antiquities leveled)

and then as you said once people get the leads the activity will go back to more normal levels

Freelancer_ESO · November 2022

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i dont see 100 lvl 10s camping a WB for many reasons
not very good xp

loot drops scale to level

gear stickerbooking makes the gear farming semi irrelevant to begin with

honestly the main incentive to even farm a WB at all is antiquity leads (and in this case 1 of the new tales of tribute deck fragments)

kind of answered why you might see a lot of low levels around. The bosses are crowded now because of the new antiquity lead. If loot dropped for all that were in area players would park a character there to try for the lead. It might not always be a low level but you know it would happen like when people parked characters near dolmans long ago.

A couple of weeks from now (probably not that long) it won't be an issue either way. Just like the treasure chests that dropped the lead. All kinds of uproar about that lead for the first few days and then nothing.

why would anyone use a lowbie to farm a lead in the first place? they wouldnt have any of the antiquity skill line leveled likely so they would have to change toons to go scry and dig it up anyway

if anything the 50 people farming the WB are all upper level toons (either a main running the content, and/or the toon that has antiquities leveled)

and then as you said once people get the leads the activity will go back to more normal levels

Because, my main characters actually do stuff that causes them to move around. I can just dump a lowbie at a location for a couple weeks and try once or twice a day for a lead.

Necrotech_Master · November 2022

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i dont see 100 lvl 10s camping a WB for many reasons
not very good xp

loot drops scale to level

gear stickerbooking makes the gear farming semi irrelevant to begin with

honestly the main incentive to even farm a WB at all is antiquity leads (and in this case 1 of the new tales of tribute deck fragments)

kind of answered why you might see a lot of low levels around. The bosses are crowded now because of the new antiquity lead. If loot dropped for all that were in area players would park a character there to try for the lead. It might not always be a low level but you know it would happen like when people parked characters near dolmans long ago.

A couple of weeks from now (probably not that long) it won't be an issue either way. Just like the treasure chests that dropped the lead. All kinds of uproar about that lead for the first few days and then nothing.

why would anyone use a lowbie to farm a lead in the first place? they wouldnt have any of the antiquity skill line leveled likely so they would have to change toons to go scry and dig it up anyway

if anything the 50 people farming the WB are all upper level toons (either a main running the content, and/or the toon that has antiquities leveled)

and then as you said once people get the leads the activity will go back to more normal levels

Because, my main characters actually do stuff that causes them to move around. I can just dump a lowbie at a location for a couple weeks and try once or twice a day for a lead.

i guess everyone handles that stuff differently

for me, i have no lowbie toons right now as they are all cp level, so it usually makes sense if im intentionally farming a lead to use my main so i can scry and dig it immediately unless the lead is behind content that my main cannot efficiently run (i can solo dungeons on my main but because hes a tank it takes 3x longer than if i use my dps toon for example)

even with display leads addon i still sometimes forget i even have leads active if i dont dig them up right away, im still also kind of used to when the leads were "bugged" and didnt expire ever if you had dug it up before (i really liked that btw, its kind of annoying they expire now)

Veryamedliel · November 2022

Snamyap wrote: »

Since when do World Bosses drop anything worthwhile?

Since they drop leads? Which is the case in both this zone, as well as in Blackwood and Fargrave (and perhaps in other zones as well I didn't think of while typing this reply)

ArchangelIsraphel · November 2022

sinnereso wrote: »

jle30303 wrote: »

The absurd rule that prevents people getting a drop from a world boss that they have been actively present and fighting for, should be scrapped at once. GIVE US THE LOOT WE DESERVE.

Just because you're not in the top 10-12 damagers when there are 40 people there means you're frozen out of actually being able to get loot from it, especially if some of said damagers are exploiting the dragonknight glitch that we already know about.

Make world bosses behave like Elsweyr dragons - if you're there and you damage it, you get the loot!

Its not an absurd rule.. without youd have 100 lvl10's standing at the side lines not helping and doing 1 light attack at the end for credit.

In my experience, I've never seen a ton of low levels waiting to do one hit on the boss at the end. I don't see why they shouldn't get loot anyway even if they did. It doesn't effect my loot in any way, and if I'm strong enough to help a lower leveled player get a piece of loot that might encourage them to keep playing, then so be it.

FluffyBird · November 2022

I agree. This is unreasonable from design viewpoint, but maybe there are some stupid technical limitations. ESO's engine is as fresh as cabbage in draugr barrows

imrilaoi · November 2022

sinnereso wrote: »

Its not an absurd rule.. without youd have 100 lvl10's standing at the side lines not helping and doing 1 light attack at the end for credit.

Without it, we'd have the bots standing on the sidelines light attacking one spot over and over for hours so they get a guaranteed hit - again. Auridon had a real problem with this for a couple of years, especially at dolmens. Pretty sure this change was partially to address it.

Otherwise, I do agree - but unless content is new or theres an even like the past two (High Isles event and Witches Festival), this usually isn't a problem.

virtus753 · November 2022

Veryamedliel wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

Since when do World Bosses drop anything worthwhile?

Since they drop leads? Which is the case in both this zone, as well as in Blackwood and Fargrave (and perhaps in other zones as well I didn't think of while typing this reply)

Some base game zones drop leads for mythics now, like the Spaulder lead from a boss in Stonefalls.

Danikat · November 2022

I agree. I'm pretty sure ESO already has enemies which scale to the number of players so they could scale world bosses up (or down) based on the number of players involved in the fight, including low level ones and those not using all their skills. Keep the requirement that each player must individually reach a minimum threshold for participation to be able to get loot, but remove the cut-off that limits it to a small number of players.

bachpain · November 2022

Don't let the WB drop a hot mythic lead. You aren't getting it for a few weeks unless you have been practicing your parses on a dummy lol