El_Borracho wrote: »

I was in a match yesterday where it was Rahjin, Celarus, Red Eagle, and Hlaalu. I blame myself for picking Celarus and Hlaalu, which certainly did not help. But then my opponent felt it necessary to use the full 90 seconds for every turn. To the point I watched him sit there and do nothing for over a minute before turning the hourglass while having zero coins. After 10 minutes, with the score 13-12, I just quit. I don't have the will to play what was going to be a 20+ minute match, minimum.

A TOT game should not take longer than the average veteran dungeon run. Slow play, whether it is strategy, trolling, griefing, whatever you want to call it, is the Achilles heel of TOT. That 90 second timer has got to go. 30 seconds seems adequate, and it could even be tolled while a person is actively playing cards.

Same thing happened to me - I also made a thread about it.

@Necrotech_Master I feel the same way. I would prefer to play other players, as that's the whole purpose of ESO to begin with, but this kind of gamesmanship ruins it. I was playing an unranked casual, which makes it worse as losing has zero effect on your ranking (if that is what the player cared about). Its a videogame, not poker for real money. I can't imagine this is fun for the person running out the clock, either.

@delenn35 thanks, I checked it out after your post. Fortunately, I wasn't getting the Rajhin spam, but the player was definitely hitting that deck hard. I could deal with the spam, as Celarus is a good counter to rendering those cards ineffective, but the timer is unavoidable.

delenn35 wrote: »

How about something in the opposite direction?

Get rid of the 90 seconds, but if a player is idle for, I don't know... 5 seconds (???) then they forfeit their turn.

That way, if you do have heaps of crows you can use them all without the sand running out - just so long as you keep it moving.

I like this. Idling ending the turn would solve the issue. Great call

yeah 5 sec idle is too short, if the opponent turn ends but they need a deck shuffle to finish drawing cards, for some asinine reason it locks you out of playing cards or processing combos even though there is nothing the opponent can do

that animation alone could take 5 sec sometimes

now 20-30 sec idle? i could see that for an auto end turn as its unnecessarily long

I'm fairly certain you could report a player intentionally stalling the match. ZOS may or may not do anything about it, but most would consider it toxic behavior if they really weren't doing anything but waiting for the timer to run out before passing.

Ok, so I am going to try and look at this from a balanced perspective... not sure how far I'll get.

I've been on both sides. I've played before High Isle was released, so on the PTS.

I've had many players tell me I'm slow, but here's the thing...

WOW... if I'm slow then how do they cope with the players who I think are slow???

I rarely take the full 90 seconds although I've been accused of doing this on every turn. This is very incorrect!

I don't mind if someone needs time, but far out... to take forever to even start your hand (that's very inconsiderate). Then to play your hand and sit on your last card FOREVER... and by the way, that last card worth one or two gp won't get you far, but hey... you do you.

But all of a sudden, the time difference starts adding up and your opponent has taken 5 minutes longer than you in the same number of rounds. It becomes what? EXCRUCIATING!!! Is this a tactic? Because if it gets to over 5 minutes then I pretty much just end up conceding. I could be winning but I will concede. My time is more important.

ZOS, I would never dream of asking this.... but, please reduce the timer or do something about it. 60 seconds should suffice - no one needs that much time, unless they have so many crows to turn. If that is the case then something else needs to be done.

I love ToT... I love it - I'm not complaining about the game. Maybe I've just forgotten what it's like to be new. No doubt the new lime-green deck will kick me in the guts... but please, I'm begging you... my life is wasting away here - I can't take it anymore.

I have a number of players complain and be badly mannered in chat because they say I'm slow. Sometimes there are excess value to be obtained by using cards like the Psijic deck rearranging cards in very specific ways. Sometimes this value can be found in other ways too. "Can I manipulate the deck so that my on color cards are close together and improve chances?"

What about longer term strategies? "If I wait to use Ansei patron to a certain turn when my opponent deck looks a certain way, then I can better ensure holding on to Ansei's patronage for several turns."

"If I start sacrificing my cards to Delmene patron ability this turn, then I should reach the 40 prestige threshold in 3 turns from now. Is it worth trying?"

I understand the frustrations that some people may have when another player has to take the surplus time to calculate future play, but ultimately the frustrations don't carry much wait. Maybe animations should be faster as to ease some of these problems.

El_Borracho wrote: »

I was in a match yesterday where it was Rahjin, Celarus, Red Eagle, and Hlaalu. I blame myself for picking Celarus and Hlaalu, which certainly did not help. But then my opponent felt it necessary to use the full 90 seconds for every turn. To the point I watched him sit there and do nothing for over a minute before turning the hourglass while having zero coins. After 10 minutes, with the score 13-12, I just quit. I don't have the will to play what was going to be a 20+ minute match, minimum.

A TOT game should not take longer than the average veteran dungeon run. Slow play, whether it is strategy, trolling, griefing, whatever you want to call it, is the Achilles heel of TOT. That 90 second timer has got to go. 30 seconds seems adequate, and it could even be tolled while a person is actively playing cards.

Aside from my amazement over the clear implication that "the average veteran dungeon run" takes less time than a game of ToT (my stars, just how ridiculously overpowered are players, anyway?), listening to everyone gripe about how the 90-second timer is too long just makes me glad I've been sticking to matches with NPCs, where I don't have to feel rushed to finish my move before a timer runs out and ends my turn before I've finished.