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State of the game? (Player participation)
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gamma71✭✭✭✭Every single person I played with that I considered a friend stopped playing and it's not because of real life stuff [snip]. Before last patch friends were on every day after last patch one by one they stopped playing.
[edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 23, 2022 5:25PM9 -
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Most of the content we get every year is well-suited for casuals. There are many story quests and zones to explore on top of each dungeon and trial has a normal version that tends to be ideal for casual players who are not up for more challenging content.
....as well as most of the events, plus companions, plus card game, plus dailies.At least the spelling is difficult for you.
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Yep, Cyrodiil is the majority of my play time now. If they close it, I don't see myself logging in any more.6 -
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Yep, Cyrodiil is the majority of my play time now. If they close it, I don't see myself logging in any more.
If they removed the 3 alliances from Cyrodiil and replaced them with something else to denote what side you were on, say you decide to be on the red team or the blue team when you enter Cyrodiil, would you still play?
Battle Grounds has different team assignments that are not related to the 3 main alliances, could that work in Cyrodiil?
Perhaps Zos could limit a character to the teams where they already have the 2 skyshards currently in the faction gate area, but it would seem to me that folks that are really into the PvP thing would like to be able to play with other folks or against them, regardless of their alliance...
I have seen and heard of times in Cyrodiil when folks from 2 alliances ganged up against the third, mostly because of someone in that third faction doing something, and if you were in that idiot's faction you paid for it as well... but with the change to allow you to choose your team on entry, you could join in the slaughter on either side.
Just food for thought...Of all the things I have lost, I miss my mind the most...1 -
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Yep, Cyrodiil is the majority of my play time now. If they close it, I don't see myself logging in any more.
Same goes for me and everyone who's left on my friends list. Most on my friends list have left in the last year or so, and the rest are totally disheartened now after U35 and U33 and are playing much less now. Some days the PvP guild I play with struggles to fill a 12 player raid group. Two years ago we filled a 24 player raid group daily and sometimes almost a full second raid group.6 -
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✭SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »
Yep, Cyrodiil is the majority of my play time now. If they close it, I don't see myself logging in any more.
Same goes for me and everyone who's left on my friends list. Most on my friends list have left in the last year or so, and the rest are totally disheartened now after U35 and U33 and are playing much less now. Some days the PvP guild I play with struggles to fill a 12 player raid group. Two years ago we filled a 24 player raid group daily and sometimes almost a full second raid group.
Let's hope that never happens.Edited by Vulkunne on October 19, 2022 9:32PMThank you for your attention to this matter.1 -
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Yep, Cyrodiil is the majority of my play time now. If they close it, I don't see myself logging in any more.
If they removed the 3 alliances from Cyrodiil and replaced them with something else to denote what side you were on, say you decide to be on the red team or the blue team when you enter Cyrodiil, would you still play?
As I've said elsewhere, the three banners war is too ingrained in the game to simply wish it away. There are literally hundreds of references to it in quests, books, and dialogue. It's part of the main story as well. And when ZOS corrupted the Bosmer lore on February 25th, 2019, they never bothered to go back and rewrite just a few quests and texts to reflect that change. So there is no way they would take the time to revise everything related to the war.
Granted, it's just a fantasy game, and magical things happen all the time. But there's no magic that would clean up the damage to developer reputation that would come from pretending the war never happened.
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✭✭✭✭✭As I've said elsewhere, the three banners war is too ingrained in the game to simply wish it away. There are literally hundreds of references to it in quests, books, and dialogue.
If it were to end, it wouldn't be that it never happened. It would be that it's over.It's part of the main story as well. And when ZOS corrupted the Bosmer lore on February 25th, 2019, they never bothered to go back and rewrite just a few quests and texts to reflect that change. So there is no way they would take the time to revise everything related to the war.
What do you mean by the Bosmer lore was corrupted?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »As I've said elsewhere, the three banners war is too ingrained in the game to simply wish it away. There are literally hundreds of references to it in quests, books, and dialogue.
If it were to end, it wouldn't be that it never happened. It would be that it's over.It's part of the main story as well. And when ZOS corrupted the Bosmer lore on February 25th, 2019, they never bothered to go back and rewrite just a few quests and texts to reflect that change. So there is no way they would take the time to revise everything related to the war.
What do you mean by the Bosmer lore was corrupted?
When stealth was removed from the Bosmer and given solely to the Khajiit, in return for which, Bosmer were given stealth detect.______________________________________________________
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »As I've said elsewhere, the three banners war is too ingrained in the game to simply wish it away. There are literally hundreds of references to it in quests, books, and dialogue.
If it were to end, it wouldn't be that it never happened. It would be that it's over.It's part of the main story as well. And when ZOS corrupted the Bosmer lore on February 25th, 2019, they never bothered to go back and rewrite just a few quests and texts to reflect that change. So there is no way they would take the time to revise everything related to the war.
What do you mean by the Bosmer lore was corrupted?
When stealth was removed from the Bosmer and given solely to the Khajiit, in return for which, Bosmer were given stealth detect.
Oh. I don't see that as a corruption of lore that needs quest updating, as I don't view passive skills in the game as lore, but rather gameplay conceits. But I can see why someone else would. Thanks for the quick response.Edited by spartaxoxo on October 19, 2022 8:06PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »As I've said elsewhere, the three banners war is too ingrained in the game to simply wish it away. There are literally hundreds of references to it in quests, books, and dialogue.
If it were to end, it wouldn't be that it never happened. It would be that it's over.It's part of the main story as well. And when ZOS corrupted the Bosmer lore on February 25th, 2019, they never bothered to go back and rewrite just a few quests and texts to reflect that change. So there is no way they would take the time to revise everything related to the war.
What do you mean by the Bosmer lore was corrupted?
I’m not sure how they could end the war while maintaining all things in story happen at the same time and are not a consecutive series of events.
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »As I've said elsewhere, the three banners war is too ingrained in the game to simply wish it away. There are literally hundreds of references to it in quests, books, and dialogue.
If it were to end, it wouldn't be that it never happened. It would be that it's over.It's part of the main story as well. And when ZOS corrupted the Bosmer lore on February 25th, 2019, they never bothered to go back and rewrite just a few quests and texts to reflect that change. So there is no way they would take the time to revise everything related to the war.
What do you mean by the Bosmer lore was corrupted?
I’m not sure how they could end the war while maintaining all things in story happen at the same time and are not a consecutive series of events.
They'd probably mark it as the beginning event of a new age, so all the expansions until that point are happening at once. And all expansions after that point would be post war.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I used to play the game daily upon a time, now I usually log on for a couple weeks to play the new content every quarter, then fizzle out and play other things while I wait for the next quarter. My love has lost its spark.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭✭✭It's quite extraordinary how one poster comments "makes it seem like they have plans for shutting down cyrodiil to me" and other players across two threads (this one and the maintenance mode one) are falling on their swords as if it were established fact.4 -
Cazador✭✭✭✭✭It's quite extraordinary how one poster comments "makes it seem like they have plans for shutting down cyrodiil to me" and other players across two threads (this one and the maintenance mode one) are falling on their swords as if it were established fact.
I'm not overly surprised, both of these threads are basically duplicates of each other at this point.2 -
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✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »As I've said elsewhere, the three banners war is too ingrained in the game to simply wish it away. There are literally hundreds of references to it in quests, books, and dialogue.
If it were to end, it wouldn't be that it never happened. It would be that it's over.It's part of the main story as well. And when ZOS corrupted the Bosmer lore on February 25th, 2019, they never bothered to go back and rewrite just a few quests and texts to reflect that change. So there is no way they would take the time to revise everything related to the war.
What do you mean by the Bosmer lore was corrupted?
I’m not sure how they could end the war while maintaining all things in story happen at the same time and are not a consecutive series of events.
They'd probably mark it as the beginning event of a new age, so all the expansions until that point are happening at once. And all expansions after that point would be post war.
ZOS just should accept that timeline is necessary and having official order of events would be better than trying to pretend that "everything happened at once". It didn't. A Dark Heart of Skyrim Verandis will recognize me if I met base game Verandis, but not vice versa.
Also it may be a smoother experience if a player can make a conscious choice to play out of order. That option should stay too, of course.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭[spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »As I've said elsewhere, the three banners war is too ingrained in the game to simply wish it away. There are literally hundreds of references to it in quests, books, and dialogue.
If it were to end, it wouldn't be that it never happened. It would be that it's over.It's part of the main story as well. And when ZOS corrupted the Bosmer lore on February 25th, 2019, they never bothered to go back and rewrite just a few quests and texts to reflect that change. So there is no way they would take the time to revise everything related to the war.
What do you mean by the Bosmer lore was corrupted?
I’m not sure how they could end the war while maintaining all things in story happen at the same time and are not a consecutive series of events.
They'd probably mark it as the beginning event of a new age, so all the expansions until that point are happening at once. And all expansions after that point would be post war.
So let’s say that you just bought the game, and you’re starting out in some new 2023 expansion where the three sides are at peace. How do you explain having to get the now somehow warring factions to work together at Stirk, when it appears that they want to kill you, and each other? And why are AD soldiers trying to kill you in Shadowfen? Why do you need to kill DC soldiers in Stonefalls? How can you retcon the war when the last 8 years of content are filled with it?2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭[spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »As I've said elsewhere, the three banners war is too ingrained in the game to simply wish it away. There are literally hundreds of references to it in quests, books, and dialogue.
If it were to end, it wouldn't be that it never happened. It would be that it's over.It's part of the main story as well. And when ZOS corrupted the Bosmer lore on February 25th, 2019, they never bothered to go back and rewrite just a few quests and texts to reflect that change. So there is no way they would take the time to revise everything related to the war.
What do you mean by the Bosmer lore was corrupted?
I’m not sure how they could end the war while maintaining all things in story happen at the same time and are not a consecutive series of events.
They'd probably mark it as the beginning event of a new age, so all the expansions until that point are happening at once. And all expansions after that point would be post war.
So let’s say that you just bought the game, and you’re starting out in some new 2023 expansion where the three sides are at peace. How do you explain having to get the now somehow warring factions to work together at Stirk, when it appears that they want to kill you, and each other? And why are AD soldiers trying to kill you in Shadowfen? Why do you need to kill DC soldiers in Stonefalls? How can you retcon the war when the last 8 years of content are filled with it?
You don't retcon it. You put someway for people to enter worldmap 2.0 and 1.0. The map post war contains all the zones and dlc released content after you end the war. And all content discusses things as if everything that happened in 1.0 already happened. The 1.0 world map is the current one and continues without alteration.
Have the tutorial npc describe things as "perhaps you're meant to cross the timeline, where the three banners war has ceased but a new danger awaits" or whatever when you go to that section of the portal room.Edited by spartaxoxo on October 20, 2022 12:45AM2 -
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✭✭✭Time is pretty dodgy in this game anyway. Quest NPCs you've finished a delve with will stand around outside it forever, eternally telling you what their next plans are. That guy with his poor, ill sister in Greymoor...1 -
moleculardrugs✭✭✭✭Time is pretty dodgy in this game anyway. Quest NPCs you've finished a delve with will stand around outside it forever, eternally telling you what their next plans are. That guy with his poor, ill sister in Greymoor...
Oh yeah I know her, or the mage’s guild person at the very end. Stuck like that, forever
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