Are you happy with the DLC as event reward at 100%?

Michae · October 2022

Yay

Yeah, why shouldn't I be. It's a free dlc, so if I were to stop paying for ESO+ I wouldn't have to lose access to that zone. And this is coming from someone who's been constantly subbed since 2018. If someone has a problem with others getting something then maybe it's time to revaluate their priorities. If it makes ESO+ worthless in your eyes you can always stop paying for it and enjoy your free dlc that way.

Also, it's only fair when they advertise a year long adventure to give said year long adventure with a chapter purchase, not just half of it.

RedTalon · October 2022

Something else

More indifferent at this point to rewards.

BlueRaven · October 2022

Nay

Michae wrote: »

Yeah, why shouldn't I be. It's a free dlc, so if I were to stop paying for ESO+ I wouldn't have to lose access to that zone. And this is coming from someone who's been constantly subbed since 2018. If someone has a problem with others getting something then maybe it's time to revaluate their priorities. If it makes ESO+ worthless in your eyes you can always stop paying for it and enjoy your free dlc that way.

As I and others have pointed pity, that makes the dlc of value only if you stop paying for eso+ which for many of us means we have stopped playing eso entirely.

And many have said it lessens the value of eso+, not negates it.

Michae wrote: »

Also, it's only fair when they advertise a year long adventure to give said year long adventure with a chapter purchase, not just half of it.

But with this dlc, as other have already pointed out, you would still not be getting the year long story as the relevant dungeon dlcs are considered part of that year long story as well.

blue_peaceful_Manticore · October 2022

Yay

Well.... better then nothing no?!
Maybe next year ZoS give us nothing and then all will be happy.
It's 100% Free! Don't like it... Don't use it!

Why dont make this kind of topics for itens we buy from CrownStore?
- Loot crates
- Gems (From loot crates)
- Houses for 14k Crowns
- Best and nice itens can only be bought in gems\endaovers\loot games

And you complain about Free itens?! lol! This world is so crazy....

Ashgard23 · October 2022

Something else

I am on a yearly sub so...

Rex-Umbra · October 2022

Nay

Devalues ESO plus

Khami · October 2022

Yay

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It devalues the collector's edition which I would of gotten but now it would not be worth the cost, not to mention ESO+ do not benefit from this at all.

How does this devalue the collector's edition? It wasn't part of it, would never be part of it?

I'd rather get the 4Q DLC for free than another house I'm not going to decorate. I have over 20 homes, I don't need another.

Khami · October 2022

Yay

RaikaNA wrote: »

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Sooo... Compare this event to the event that we had several years ago

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/62811
now

33%—Oak’s Promise markings
66%—Plant Yourself emote
100%—Ascendant Hoard Box
100%—Appleback Salamander pet (ESO Plus members only)
100%—The Elder Scrolls Online: Firesong DLC!

before
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Summerfall

33% — Psijic Mascot Pony pet
66% — Psijic Escort Charger mount
100% — Grand Psijic Villa player house

ZOS has been dropping the ball on us lately on these events... Sure what they're giving to us it's free... yeah.. I'm grateful.. but at least give us something worthy...blow our minds and get us excited... after all I hire ZOS to entertain me through my ESO+ subscription.

Grand Psijic Villa player house is one of the best and largest homes in the game... it was given to us FOR FREE during the summerset event... now we get a crummy pet when it reaches 100% and instead of a DLC... why not give us a free expansion? you know.. the ones that cost us 45+ dollars?

A new house, even a large noble size home doesn't excite me. Give me, an ESO+ subscriber, another pet doesn't excite me being I already have over 100 pets. What does one more do me? Nothing. Most pets are nothing but a reskin. Same with the mounts. Don't need another one of them either.

Give me story based zones for fee, and I will be excited. Even when that zone is covered by my ESO+, because I don't always have ESO+ active.

TaSheen · October 2022

Something else

Pretty obvious that there's no consensus about this subject. Some want houses, some don't. Some want cosmetics, others turn up their noses at them.

I'd like to see them just gift the number of crowns the DLC is worth.

Bhaalthazar · October 2022

Something else

Not subscribed to ESO+, I am very happy not to have to pay for the next DLC. I would have been less happy if it had been a house. I have several, but only use one. Here, the offer is really useful to me.

Nevertheless, I am not happy with the way they announced it. The "surprise" did not even last 1 day.

As a result, we deprive ourselves of a part of the players participating in the event because they will not care to arrive at 100% (and it is not the pet that will make a big difference).

boi_anachronism_ · October 2022

Nay

Michae wrote: »

Yeah, why shouldn't I be. It's a free dlc, so if I were to stop paying for ESO+ I wouldn't have to lose access to that zone. And this is coming from someone who's been constantly subbed since 2018. If someone has a problem with others getting something then maybe it's time to revaluate their priorities. If it makes ESO+ worthless in your eyes you can always stop paying for it and enjoy your free dlc that way.

Also, it's only fair when they advertise a year long adventure to give said year long adventure with a chapter purchase, not just half of it.

No one has an issue with anyone getting the dlc. No one. This issue is that plus members get the equivalent on a log in reward for being subscribed. Why is this still be pushed. I'm confused.

spartaxoxo · October 2022

Yay

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Yeah, why shouldn't I be. It's a free dlc, so if I were to stop paying for ESO+ I wouldn't have to lose access to that zone. And this is coming from someone who's been constantly subbed since 2018. If someone has a problem with others getting something then maybe it's time to revaluate their priorities. If it makes ESO+ worthless in your eyes you can always stop paying for it and enjoy your free dlc that way.

Also, it's only fair when they advertise a year long adventure to give said year long adventure with a chapter purchase, not just half of it.

No one has an issue with anyone getting the dlc. No one.

All the complaints about ESO+ being devalued because other people have it, and even requests that they never give it out again on this very thread, I would very much disagree that nobody has an issue with others getting the dlc.

ETA: some feel it's devalued because they won't use their free upgrade, so it's useless to them. Others feel it's devalued because "that's supposed to be a perk of ESO+" and don't ever want to see this that type of reward again.

Clearly for some people part of the value to them of Firesong is that some non-plus players weren't gonna play it.

Amottica · October 2022

Yay

It seems by the poll this is really divided among those with ESO+ and those without it. I still expect many with ESO+, like myself, could care less about the DLC being offered as a reward as it is not that big of a deal at the end of the day.

after taking the time to notice it costs significantly less to buy the DLCs released in a year vs. subscribe, which means the real value, what we are truly paying for with a subscription, is the crafting bag, storage space, and being able to dye our costumes and armor. That means this is not that big of a deal.

Wolfkeks · October 2022

Something else

I don't really care about the DLC because I can already play Firesong with ESO+ when it comes out but it's nice for people who don't have ESO+.
(And the extra pet is a nice add-on)
Mostly interested in Ascendant Hoard Box though for the golden companion gear.

SilverBride · October 2022

Nay

Amottica wrote: »

It seems by the poll this is really divided among those with ESO+ and those without it. I still expect many with ESO+, like myself, could care less about the DLC being offered as a reward as it is not that big of a deal at the end of the day.

after taking the time to notice it costs significantly less to buy the DLCs released in a year vs. subscribe, which means the real value, what we are truly paying for with a subscription, is the crafting bag, storage space, and being able to dye our costumes and armor. That means this is not that big of a deal.

And what if next year they give a crafting bag to everyone? Or double their storage space and housing slots? Why should ESO+ who pay for these things care? We'd still be able to dye our costumes for $15+ a month.....

This is not acceptable. We pay for these perks... all of them. They need to stop giving our paid perks away as free rewards to everyone else.

boi_anachronism_ · October 2022

Nay

spartaxoxo wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Yeah, why shouldn't I be. It's a free dlc, so if I were to stop paying for ESO+ I wouldn't have to lose access to that zone. And this is coming from someone who's been constantly subbed since 2018. If someone has a problem with others getting something then maybe it's time to revaluate their priorities. If it makes ESO+ worthless in your eyes you can always stop paying for it and enjoy your free dlc that way.

Also, it's only fair when they advertise a year long adventure to give said year long adventure with a chapter purchase, not just half of it.

No one has an issue with anyone getting the dlc. No one.

All the complaints about ESO+ being devalued because other people have it, and even requests that they never give it out again on this very thread, I would very much disagree that nobody has an issue with others getting the dlc.

ETA: some feel it's devalued because they won't use their free upgrade, so it's useless to them. Others feel it's devalued because "that's supposed to be a perk of ESO+" and don't ever want to see this that type of reward again.

Clearly for some people part of the value to them of Firesong is that some non-plus players weren't gonna play it.

Incorrect. Many are suggesting that for example 2k crowns be given so folks can decide what they want. Myself and others have suggested that plus members get something better and then heavily discount plus for a month so people have the option for cheap NOT that they should not give it out all together. That's pretty disingenuous. No one is mad that folks will have an opportunity to try out the dlc and as mentioned this doesn't even include everyone only those that already bought high isle so in that case should they not just give out high isle for free so EVERYONE can get something or is this only for folks who have already laid out money?

Katheriah · October 2022

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Clearly for some people part of the value to them of Firesong is that some non-plus players weren't gonna play it.

I don't care about Firesong and I'm happy for people that they will be able to play it.

I'm not happy about the fact that my present is a bag of coal, despite the fact I'm a gut grill. Once again: give everyone the amount of crowns with the value of the DLC and I won't complain, but I will never play ESO without ESO+. 'Giving' me a DLC after I already paid for the access is just a bag of cowpoop.

Some companies care about their loyal, paying customers. ZOS just cares about marketing for casual players so they can boost some numbers.

virtus753 · October 2022

Khami wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It devalues the collector's edition which I would of gotten but now it would not be worth the cost, not to mention ESO+ do not benefit from this at all.

How does this devalue the collector's edition? It wasn't part of it, would never be part of it?

Because the Collector's Edition of a DLC still costs the same whether you own the base DLC or not. There is no lower-cost "upgrade" option for Q4 DLC like there is for Q2 DLC (i.e. DLC formerly known as Chapters). So if the Q4 DLC CE is, say, 4k crowns (by current prices), while the Q4 DLC alone is 2k crowns, then High Isle owners will have gotten the base 2k part for free but now still have to pay the full 4k for the CE items alone. You don't get the option to buy just the CE part alone for the 2k it costs when sold with the DLC.

So if you have already bought High Isle and get Firesong free but want the Firesong CE items, you have to pay 4k crowns - whether you think of that as paying double for the CE items or for paying over again for the base DLC that was folded into your High Isle purchase. Either way the "free" aspect of the base Firesong DLC is lost.

radogamer · October 2022

ellmarie wrote: »

Not when you're an ESO + member

Agreed!

spartaxoxo · October 2022

Yay

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Incorrect.

It's true. Some people aren't happy that their paid perks are being given out for free. You might not care about that part, but others do. Here's some examples in this very thread.

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If everyone had gotten a pet I'd still not like it but at least everyone would have gotten something of equal value. ESO+ players had one of the perks they pay a monthly subscription for just given to those who don't for free, which completely invalidates it as a perk

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I'd suggest they discount our subscriptions or give subscribers some crowns or something of worth to make up for the difference, but that is only a bandaid solution. The real solution is to not give ESO+ perks away in the first place.

I'm no longer seeing the value in my subscription when Non Sub players get treated better by ZoS and subs get the bare minimum.

Please consider a temporary discount or extra crowns with our subs to make the value of the rewards more even. But more importantly please don't give away any more of our paid perks in the future because it takes away from the value of our subscriptions.

There's nothing wrong with that position either. It's their opinion. Paid exclusivity is not some unreasonable concept. That last quote got a lot of likes. It's perhaps not as popular opinion as people who are fine with it being given away, but to say that nobody holds it isn't true. People do hold that opinion and it's not an unreasonable one. I don't hold it but it doesn't make it not exist. For someone who will never, ever play this game without plus, the upgrade is useless. And they have now paid for access that others got for free. It's okay for that to rub them the wrong way.

Amottica · October 2022

Yay

SilverBride wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

It seems by the poll this is really divided among those with ESO+ and those without it. I still expect many with ESO+, like myself, could care less about the DLC being offered as a reward as it is not that big of a deal at the end of the day.

after taking the time to notice it costs significantly less to buy the DLCs released in a year vs. subscribe, which means the real value, what we are truly paying for with a subscription, is the crafting bag, storage space, and being able to dye our costumes and armor. That means this is not that big of a deal.

And what if next year they give a crafting bag to everyone?

The crafting bag is the biggest draw for ESO+ and ESO+ if a much larger revenue source than selling DLCs. In other words, the hypothetical that they would just give everyone the crafting bag is a very unrealistic hypothetical.

Destai · October 2022

Yay

I think so. The content is so light this year, I'm not sure I could justify buying this DLC at this point. I may eventually snatch up the collector's edition when it comes around on sale or something.

I also like it because I believe they should be releasing one monolithic expansion like classic MMOs, I'm a bit old-fashioned like that. This gets us closer to that ideal.

I'd be curious to know the business reasons they're doing this, but it'd be nothing more than speculation.

SilverBride · October 2022

Nay

Amottica wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

It seems by the poll this is really divided among those with ESO+ and those without it. I still expect many with ESO+, like myself, could care less about the DLC being offered as a reward as it is not that big of a deal at the end of the day.

after taking the time to notice it costs significantly less to buy the DLCs released in a year vs. subscribe, which means the real value, what we are truly paying for with a subscription, is the crafting bag, storage space, and being able to dye our costumes and armor. That means this is not that big of a deal.

And what if next year they give a crafting bag to everyone?

The crafting bag is the biggest draw for ESO+ and ESO+ if a much larger revenue source than selling DLCs. In other words, the hypothetical that they would just give everyone the crafting bag is a very unrealistic hypothetical.

Our subscription pays for all of the perks as a package. The only way to get any of them is to buy the complete package. Because of this there are no individual costs assigned to the perks so no one perk has more monetary value than another.

NettleCarrier · October 2022

Nay

Selfish answer (but then again what isn't), but no.... I wouldn't play this game without ESO+ and so these rewards are always a huge letdown. Where's the imagination ZOS?

DMuehlhausen · October 2022

They have done this every year essentially.

spartaxoxo · October 2022

Yay

Assuming that most people are on the monthly sub, ESO+ is 179.88 a year (14.99 a month for 12 months). And you get 19800 crowns for that sub (1650 crowns a month for 12 months).

To buy the closest crown pack without going over is 99.99 and gets you 14k crowns, plus 39.99 and gets you 5500 crowns. For a total of 19500 crowns at 139.98.

Blackwood is 3500 crowns, 1500 crowns each for the two dungeon dlc, and most likely Firesong will be 2000 crowns. This is another 8500 crowns. That's another 64.98 expense.

So to get the crowns and the dlc unlocks for that year alone, non plus players pay 204.96.

Which makes ESO+ a savings of around 25 dollars if you pay per month. If you pay for the whole year upfront that savings increases to 64.97, as the 12 months sub is 139.99. So essentially those who buy the whole year at once are only paying for the crowns, and getting the other stuff as a free bonus reward. Well, technically, they are paying a penny for 300 crowns, all the dlc, and the craft bag, etc.

The estimated retail value of the Firesong DLC is 2k crowns, which you can buy with the 1500 pack and the 750 crown pack. Which puts the estimated value at 22.98

ETA

If for the sake of argument, we allow that the sub was devalued by 2k crowns (I don't agree, especially as a yearly sub), but for the sake of argument we agree that it was devalued by this much....

Some examples of other items in the 2k crown value range that they could give....

A statue
A house guest
A hairstyle
A personality
A body tattoo
A skin
A costume
A simple mount

Basically the other stuff they've handed out for free.

Houses as big as the Psijic Villa and the like generally start at like the 9k-13k crown range and greatly exceed the value of Firesong. I wouldn't expect something that big to be a plus exclusive reward. A small house, they could have done. Something around the size of Black Vine Villa

SilverBride · October 2022

Nay

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Which makes ESO+ a savings of around 25 dollars if you pay per month. If you pay for the whole year upfront that savings increases to 64.97. So essentially those who buy the whole year at once are only paying for the crowns, and getting the other stuff as a free bonus rewards.

ESO+ members pay for the complete package of perks. Nothing is a free bonus reward.

Even if the perks were sold separately, which they aren't, we need to factor in that ESO+ subscribers are only renting the DLC access for the time they are subscribed. That would not cost as much as buying and permanently owning them like the free ones they have given away for 2 years in a row now.

Plus the fact that ESO+ members continue to pay for DLC access even for the ones they were given. Why do we have to continue to pay to rent something we now own?

SammyKhajit · October 2022

Nay

ESO+ monthly reward is already pretty ordinary (mini statue once a month!) and now free DLC two years in a row.

ZOS must really hate ESO+ subscription system and customer loyalty

spartaxoxo · October 2022

Yay

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Which makes ESO+ a savings of around 25 dollars if you pay per month. If you pay for the whole year upfront that savings increases to 64.97. So essentially those who buy the whole year at once are only paying for the crowns, and getting the other stuff as a free bonus rewards.

ESO+ members pay for the complete package of perks. Nothing is a free bonus reward.

Even if the perks were sold separately, which they aren't, we need to factor in that ESO+ subscribers are only renting the DLC access for the time they are subscribed. That would not cost as much as buying and permanently owning them like the free ones they have given away for 2 years in a row now.

Plus the fact that ESO+ members continue to pay for DLC access even for the ones they were given. Why do we have to continue to pay to rent something we now own?

The crowns and the DLC ARE sold separately, so we can understand the value of what those items are bringing to ESO+. You don't have to continue to pay for Firesong. You are paying for all the other perks that come with plus. If you were to stop subbing, you'd continue to access Firesong. They are not going to give you an additional discount on Plus, because of Firesong on top of the one that already comes as part of plus because they've already reduced them to no cost for the year long sub. And you're already saving 25 dollars using monthly plus than it would cost to buy all of that year's dlc. The savings gets even steeper when you factor in all the other dlc that goes with it, because plus does NOT just cover 1 year of dlc.

SilverBride · October 2022

Nay

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Which makes ESO+ a savings of around 25 dollars if you pay per month. If you pay for the whole year upfront that savings increases to 64.97. So essentially those who buy the whole year at once are only paying for the crowns, and getting the other stuff as a free bonus rewards.

ESO+ members pay for the complete package of perks. Nothing is a free bonus reward.

Even if the perks were sold separately, which they aren't, we need to factor in that ESO+ subscribers are only renting the DLC access for the time they are subscribed. That would not cost as much as buying and permanently owning them like the free ones they have given away for 2 years in a row now.

Plus the fact that ESO+ members continue to pay for DLC access even for the ones they were given. Why do we have to continue to pay to rent something we now own?

The crowns and the DLC ARE sold separately...

Not as part of the ESO+ package that I paid for. We buy the entire package or we get nothing.

That is how ZoS set it up and it was not meant to be taken apart and analyzed by individual cost by the players because the price is for the entire package regardless of what those numbers add up to.