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How are these add-ons allowed?

  • Kahnak
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    Can we just stop with the Console vs PC wars. I will tell you right now, addons do a lot less harm to the game than trying to dumb down a PC game for consoles. You want to play with addons, play on PC. You want a better performance experience, even without addons, play on PC. If you dont, play on console, thats fine. Nobody on PC cares what you do over there. Just stop already. Addons help on the margins for score runs, but they dont play the game for you.

    The vast majority of addon use by PC players are simply QOL addons that address obvious flaws in the base game.

    "Nobody on PC cares what you do over there. Just stop already."

    Seriously, I can't emphasize enough how true this is.
    Tombstone Reads: "Forgot to get good"
  • MEBengalsFan2001
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    Every time i watch an eso video or stream on PC, it baffles me that they have all these add-ons that make content so much easier by tell you about incoming mechanics BEFORE they happen, they tell you when to block, when to dodge, when to swap bars, etc. Every difficult mechanic in a dungeon or trial is made easy by these add-ons that make sure the player doesn't forget or miss them. The whole point of mechanics is that the player should remember and deal with them WHILE everything else is happening, that's the hard part, the pressure and the multitasking. Obviously a simple press of a dodge or block button itself isn't hard, it's remembering where and when to do it in the heat of the moment while tanking/dpsing the boss that is difficult. And all of that challenge is thrown down the drain with these lazy easy mode add-ons that have accurate timers for every single mechanic: a text AND a bell sound effect for every time you need to dodge direct attacks, exact timers for the orbs in Graven Deep final boss HM, giant text with the targeted player's name on the screen BEFORE Lady Thorn's one-shot teleport move happens, all those times in cloudrest where you need to stack or kite Aoes or or block etc, exact timers and notifications for when abilities need to be refreshed on the dummy, incoming waves in coral aerie, the spreading Aoes in shipwright's Braddigan,... and so on and on...

    PC players have add-ons for all of them, holding their hands, conveniently telling them exactly when to do every important mechanic. This literally and simply makes hard content MUCH easier, it makes it much harder to make mistakes or forget things. When you literally have a device/program telling you when to do mechanics, how is that any different than cheating? How on earth are these add-ons allowed in the game?

    I don't play on PC because I hate easy mode. Easy mode take away any need to have skill or the challenge that a game presents.

    I know some games where the games are on multiple platform have banned using add ons and any PC player using them are get banned indefinitely.
  • spartaxoxo
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    jaws343 wrote: »
    robpr wrote: »
    PC cannot and is not competing with consoles, why do you care?

    That's not entirely accurate.

    The game is balanced across all platforms. If PC players using addons are skewing completion numbers and ZOS is using that data alongside console data to perform balance passes for content, those addons are directly, negatively, impacting console players. Not just for content either, but also for overall DPS.

    I do suspect this is the case, and wish they balanced dungeons and trials around not having add-ons. It seems like it takes a dramatic amount of time longer for console teams to do that stuff because the timing is expecting a level of responsiveness that is far more difficult for a console players than a PC player.

    I think that add-ons should remain for the people who enjoy them though.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on September 28, 2022 8:17PM
  • Kahnak
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    Every time i watch an eso video or stream on PC, it baffles me that they have all these add-ons that make content so much easier by tell you about incoming mechanics BEFORE they happen, they tell you when to block, when to dodge, when to swap bars, etc. Every difficult mechanic in a dungeon or trial is made easy by these add-ons that make sure the player doesn't forget or miss them. The whole point of mechanics is that the player should remember and deal with them WHILE everything else is happening, that's the hard part, the pressure and the multitasking. Obviously a simple press of a dodge or block button itself isn't hard, it's remembering where and when to do it in the heat of the moment while tanking/dpsing the boss that is difficult. And all of that challenge is thrown down the drain with these lazy easy mode add-ons that have accurate timers for every single mechanic: a text AND a bell sound effect for every time you need to dodge direct attacks, exact timers for the orbs in Graven Deep final boss HM, giant text with the targeted player's name on the screen BEFORE Lady Thorn's one-shot teleport move happens, all those times in cloudrest where you need to stack or kite Aoes or or block etc, exact timers and notifications for when abilities need to be refreshed on the dummy, incoming waves in coral aerie, the spreading Aoes in shipwright's Braddigan,... and so on and on...

    PC players have add-ons for all of them, holding their hands, conveniently telling them exactly when to do every important mechanic. This literally and simply makes hard content MUCH easier, it makes it much harder to make mistakes or forget things. When you literally have a device/program telling you when to do mechanics, how is that any different than cheating? How on earth are these add-ons allowed in the game?

    I don't play on PC because I hate easy mode. Easy mode take away any need to have skill or the challenge that a game presents.

    I know some games where the games are on multiple platform have banned using add ons and any PC player using them are get banned indefinitely.

    "I know some games where the games are on multiple platform have banned using add ons and any PC player using them are get banned indefinitely."

    Those must be games that no one cares about, because all of the big MMO's allow addons.

    But yeah, keep up that cool story about not playing on PC because 'easy mode'. I'm sure that will serve you well.
    Tombstone Reads: "Forgot to get good"
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