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Why this game will never be balanced.
Redguards_Revenge
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As you may know, there are 2 pillars in the ESO game mechanics that had to stay true and any modification to it would ruin the game in the long run.
These two pillars are
1. Smart Healing
2. 5-Skill Slots (available for use to you)
Zos has never really touched smart healing. Namely because of console players. So that pillar is standing strong. The 5-skill slot pillar has collapsed and what's been ensuing is the fallout of the collapse. There were minor cracks in this pillar that were not to serious. They could be repaired. However, the irreparable cracks started to show when the first Mythics were released. It was because ZoS wanted a way to get around the 5-skill slot requirement and increase DPS. They could not just add more buttons because of console controller limitations. They did this by adding Procs into the game. Whether it was because "Other MMO" did it or they needed to get around the 5 slots, this was the start of something. First it started with a simple 6th skill. This was loved by both PVE and PVP and those who didn't have it could still manage. It sold like hot cakes.
Then, ZoS decided to build the next years on this concept. I knew where this was headed. If you've seen early prank YT channels, you know how they had to keep going crazier and crazier with their pranks to keep an audience. I knew the pillar would collapse at some point and a true thoughtful rebuild of the whole ESO game mechanics would need to be made. Fast forward to 2022 an we have oakensoul which was like 6-8 always on skills and mara's balm which is like templar purge+ living dark + extra healing. This was the epitome of a grotesque abuse and destruction of that pillar.
This is why it did not matter if oakensoul was missing 5-skill slots when it was first released. Contrary to what people said.
Now let's not drag this any further and get straight to the point.
What does skills have that procs do not? Have you guessed it? Hint: It will always be the reason why the game is broken. You know what it is.
SKILLS COST RESOURCES!!!!
MOST PROCS COST NOTHING!!!
EDIT: You might say "procs have cooldowns" but besides the spammable, how many times are you really hitting your other skills? Probably around the same frequency as the proc goes off.
This is why the game will stay broken. My solution is simple. Make all procs cost resources. Whether it is their strongest stat or ulti. Once these sets cost scaled according to the skill and damage they do, the game will be balanced.
For example. Let's look at the always on oakensoul.
There can be this:
Oakensoul depletes the highest stat resource (if it's weapon damage, stam...if its spell damage, mag...if they are equal it the higher pool of the two.) 2000 per 5 seconds. If it doesn't have any resources to consume, the buffs stay off for 10 seconds.
or we can have it deplete Ulti.
For mara's balm each heal takes resources as much as it heals end of story. The purge also takes resources.
You have to understand that this OP set concept can't go on for long without being left uncheck. What's next? Capes? Wings?
Would you rather have an OP set that stays true with no real nerf and pay the resources comparable to what the set does or have the set unimpeded for 3 months then handed down a nerf. You will NEVER be able to have it OP and stay OP. What would be the next broken set that they can use to get you to buy?
The DPS will drop dramatically. DPS doesn't mean anything. ZoS controls the difficulty of the dungeons. If your DPS goes down to 10 across the board, zos can adjust every dungeon and make it feel like you have 250k DPS. It is when ZoS thinks just lowering health of bosses by 10% will make a difference that we get problems to adhering to the adjustments to things in the game.
They need a huge overhaul and shooting in the dark isn't going to cut it this time.
Edited by Redguards_Revenge on September 17, 2022 1:16AM These two pillars are
1. Smart Healing
2. 5-Skill Slots (available for use to you)
Zos has never really touched smart healing. Namely because of console players. So that pillar is standing strong. The 5-skill slot pillar has collapsed and what's been ensuing is the fallout of the collapse. There were minor cracks in this pillar that were not to serious. They could be repaired. However, the irreparable cracks started to show when the first Mythics were released. It was because ZoS wanted a way to get around the 5-skill slot requirement and increase DPS. They could not just add more buttons because of console controller limitations. They did this by adding Procs into the game. Whether it was because "Other MMO" did it or they needed to get around the 5 slots, this was the start of something. First it started with a simple 6th skill. This was loved by both PVE and PVP and those who didn't have it could still manage. It sold like hot cakes.
Then, ZoS decided to build the next years on this concept. I knew where this was headed. If you've seen early prank YT channels, you know how they had to keep going crazier and crazier with their pranks to keep an audience. I knew the pillar would collapse at some point and a true thoughtful rebuild of the whole ESO game mechanics would need to be made. Fast forward to 2022 an we have oakensoul which was like 6-8 always on skills and mara's balm which is like templar purge+ living dark + extra healing. This was the epitome of a grotesque abuse and destruction of that pillar.
This is why it did not matter if oakensoul was missing 5-skill slots when it was first released. Contrary to what people said.
Now let's not drag this any further and get straight to the point.
What does skills have that procs do not? Have you guessed it? Hint: It will always be the reason why the game is broken. You know what it is.
SKILLS COST RESOURCES!!!!
MOST PROCS COST NOTHING!!!
EDIT: You might say "procs have cooldowns" but besides the spammable, how many times are you really hitting your other skills? Probably around the same frequency as the proc goes off.
This is why the game will stay broken. My solution is simple. Make all procs cost resources. Whether it is their strongest stat or ulti. Once these sets cost scaled according to the skill and damage they do, the game will be balanced.
For example. Let's look at the always on oakensoul.
There can be this:
Oakensoul depletes the highest stat resource (if it's weapon damage, stam...if its spell damage, mag...if they are equal it the higher pool of the two.) 2000 per 5 seconds. If it doesn't have any resources to consume, the buffs stay off for 10 seconds.
or we can have it deplete Ulti.
For mara's balm each heal takes resources as much as it heals end of story. The purge also takes resources.
You have to understand that this OP set concept can't go on for long without being left uncheck. What's next? Capes? Wings?
Would you rather have an OP set that stays true with no real nerf and pay the resources comparable to what the set does or have the set unimpeded for 3 months then handed down a nerf. You will NEVER be able to have it OP and stay OP. What would be the next broken set that they can use to get you to buy?
The DPS will drop dramatically. DPS doesn't mean anything. ZoS controls the difficulty of the dungeons. If your DPS goes down to 10 across the board, zos can adjust every dungeon and make it feel like you have 250k DPS. It is when ZoS thinks just lowering health of bosses by 10% will make a difference that we get problems to adhering to the adjustments to things in the game.
They need a huge overhaul and shooting in the dark isn't going to cut it this time.
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opalcity✭✭✭✭✭You go on, at great length, about the second pillar, but don't talk about the first.
What is 'smart healing' and what does it have to do with consoles?5 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No.
Procs have a opportunity cost associated with them, as well as a COOLDOWN.
Unlike regular skills, you cant "spam" the same proc back to back.
And yes I'm aware of mara, which is getting back on track with a cooldown added.
Procs in this game are more like cooldown skills, hence no resource cost.
And due to the scaling mechanisms they have, stacking many procsets will leave you build severely lacking in other areas.6 -
Snamyap✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why this game will never be balanced.
It's because it's a class based MMO that tries to do PvE and PvP with largely the same ruleset. Balance is a pipedream under such circumstances.13 -
merpins✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The reason the game will never be balanced is because the game won't live long enough to get balance. It's a 9 year old game with major changes to the combat systems every 3 to 6 months. At this point in an MMOs life, the only things that should be shaking up combat systems are 1. new sets, 2. new classes, or 3. new skills. These are all self-contained things that can be tweaked without harming other combat systems. But with the refusal to balance PVE and PVP separately, there is no way to really balance the game properly without kneecapping a class or two in PVE or PVP for the sake of balance in one or the other. The game itself is still making money, but MMOs aren't super profitable in the first place, and once countries like the US get a grip on reality and ban gambling mechanics in videogames (loot boxes), which will happen in the next 5-10 years guaranteed, this game will lose its main source of income and be put on life support indefinitely until the servers are eventually shut off unless the game gets rid of that source of income in favor of something that REALLY pushes retention time on its players; as in adding lots of cosmetics and things that bring you back into the game, that can be earned by playing the game in a reasonable timeframe like WoW does. And people wonder why that MMO is still up and running.
TLDR: the game will be gone before balance can be achieved due to a combination of the imbalance of the two game modes, and the fact that loot boxes are slowly but surely being banned in most countries which will kill off the game's main source of revenue.Edited by merpins on September 14, 2022 9:02AM6 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No MMORPGs are balanced. There are always classes that outperform other classes.
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fizzylu✭✭✭✭✭
✭I mean, proc sets are indeed an issue with balance.... but it would make no sense for these things to cost something since like someone above said; they have usually pretty heavy cooldowns and a requirement to proc. The problem is more the fact that ZOS is now creating more and more OP proc sets with lower cooldowns and easier to reach requirements. As they roll out more and more of these proc sets, the abilities tied to them seem to matter more than actual class+weapon combinations and rotations. I've also said time and time again as a PVP player; I do not fear classes, I do not fear any guild/weapon skill lines, but I do fear quite a few proc sets.
And honestly, I think this is just why the set design in this game was problematic to begin with. As more zones, dungeons, trials, arenas, and whatever else are released.... they have to think of more different, interesting, and unique sets. Especially now with mythic's, which seem to be their way to sell new chapters, things are getting even more messy.... and it will probably just keep getting messier and messier with every new chapter, it's DLCs and the 30+ sets that come along with them.Edited by fizzylu on September 14, 2022 10:38AM0 -
Remathilis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oakensoul isn't a procc, it's a bunch of always on buffs. You can have it cost resources, but then so should slimecraw or rattlecage. Of course, that assumes named buffs are the only problem and a set like burning spell weave or war maiden shouldn't also cost resources to use. Essentially any set that isn't just adding raw stat would need to lower or cost a resource, which is fine if you want the game balanced around nonset gear. It would make for some fun theory crafting (is it worth losing 6000 health to and 300 weapon/spell damage?) But I don't think making every set a kiss/curse would fix any problems or be much fun.2 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The real reason it will never be balanced is PvP.
It's literally impossible to balance a PvE based game with PvP mini game. The skills and items are all based around essentially group PvE content not PvP.
The only way you could would be to have PvP only skills and items and PvE only skills and items. Anything else will never work.5 -
Four_Fingers✭✭✭✭✭
✭A skill cost me resources only when I use it, a Mythic is almost always on (used) so you would never have resources unless you took it off.0 -
boi_anachronism_✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm afraid that isn't feasible. Additionally lots of proc sets already have requirements. Bahsei requires you to maintain at around 15% mag with is incredibly difficult, kinra requires you to stack which is hard to keep up. This kind of solution would make basically all proc sets unusable. We would then be left with only straight stat increase sets which would make for incredibly boring builds with little to no skill required. They could around this by making a 3rd skill bar available but that would also create an issue with front/backbar sets.0 -
MEBengalsFan2001✭✭✭✭✭It's a mmo and no mmo is ever truly balanced. There are times and instances where a DoT build will perform better than a burst build and vice versa. There are times where a specific class is preferred because of a class only skill makes the difference in content for success or failure for a group.
This game sets add another complexity to balance as not all classes will benefits equally from each set of gear.
Anyone looking for a mmo to be balanced really haven't played MMOs all that long.1 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Such malarkey! Oakensoul is probably the only thing that was properly balanced during the recent patch and Mara's will hopefully be further adjusted later on.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why this game will never be balanced.
It's because it's a class based MMO that tries to do PvE and PvP with largely the same ruleset. Balance is a pipedream under such circumstances.
Unless you make the two game modes identical in some way. Although I'm sure people would be shocked and bewildered when their opponents start strafing side to side, instantly casting their powers, and not agreeing to stand in stupid like they currently do.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
Heartrage✭✭✭✭✭You don’t make any sense.
-procs sets have existed before mythics, since the beginning of the game.
- oakensoul doesn’t have procs.
- you never established why smart healing is a pillar of the game tantamount to the 5 skills slots and what it has to do with balance.
- Proc sets have cooldown and many even have proc chances. You can’t reliably spam them.3 -
AvalonRanger✭✭✭✭✭
✭Because...
ZOS doesn't have capability to define reliable "basis" of game design, even in 8years from launching time.My playing time Mon-Friday UTC13:00-16:00 [PC-NA] CP over2000 now.
I have [1Tough tank] [1StamSorc-DD] [1Necro-DD] [1Real Healer]
with [1Stam Blade].
But, I'm Tank main player. Recently I'm doing Healer.
2023/12/21
By the way...Dungeon-Meshi(One of Famous Japanese fantasy story comic book) got finale...
Good-bye "King of Monster Eater".
2024/08/23
Farewell Atsuko Tanaka...(-_-) I never forget epic acting for major Motoko Kusanagi.1 -
Arunei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Soooo...could you explain to us what resources we're supposed to use for Skills, dodge-rolling, bashing, sprinting, and blocking, if they're being eaten up by proc Sets? This would, as someone else said, literally render proc Sets unusable; you'd have little to no resources to use for actual gameplay.
As others have said, the game will never be balanced unless ZOS finally splits PvP and PvE. Too often things that are too powerful in PvP get nerfed both there and in PvE, and occasionally stuff is deemed too OP in PvE and when it gets nerfed, it carries to PvP. With two completely different gamestyles having to share the (mostly) same rulesets for Skills and Sets, there will never be real balance for either.Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
Krisiel: Redguard Stamsorc DPS - Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Khajiit Stamblade DPS - Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things, nicknamed Tinykat
Niralae Elsinal: Altmer Stamsorc DPS - Young Altmer with way too much Magicka
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Magsorc DPS - Fledgling Vampire who drinks too much water
Slondor: Nord Tankblade - TESified verson of Slenderman
Marius Vastino: Imperial <insert role here> - Sarah's apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Delthor Rellenar: Dunmer Magknight DPS - Sarah's ex who's a certified psychopath
Lirawyn Calatare: Altmer Magplar Healer - Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Gondryn Beldeau: Breton Tankplar - Sarah's Mages Guild mentor and certified badass old person
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Breton Magplar Healer - Friendly healer with a coffee addiction
Soliril Larethian- Altmer Magblade DPS - Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time
Tevril Rallenar: Dunmer Stamcro DPS - Delthor's "special" younger brother who raises small animals as friends
Celeroth Calatare: Bosmer <insert role here> - Shapeshifting Bosmer with enough sass to fill Valenwood
PC - NA - EP - CP1000+
Avid RPer. Hit me up in-game @Ras_Lei if you're interested in getting together for some arr-pee shenanigans!0 -
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✭✭The advantage of procs over skills is time, not resources. You are about seven and a half years late with that angle.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »The real reason it will never be balanced is PvP.
It's literally impossible to balance a PvE based game with PvP mini game. The skills and items are all based around essentially group PvE content not PvP.
The only way you could would be to have PvP only skills and items and PvE only skills and items. Anything else will never work.
As a launch player, "PvE based game with PvP mini game" hurt more than I expected.0 -
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✭✭LesserCircle wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »The real reason it will never be balanced is PvP.
It's literally impossible to balance a PvE based game with PvP mini game. The skills and items are all based around essentially group PvE content not PvP.
The only way you could would be to have PvP only skills and items and PvE only skills and items. Anything else will never work.
As a launch player, "PvE based game with PvP mini game" hurt more than I expected.
It's just railing against reality. With the exception of Undaunted, the original skill lines were all heavily focused on pvp, with the devs expending a lot of effort on making more abilities relevant in pve as well.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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Redguards_Revenge✭✭✭✭You don’t make any sense.
-procs sets have existed before mythics, since the beginning of the game.
- oakensoul doesn’t have procs.
- you never established why smart healing is a pillar of the game tantamount to the 5 skills slots and what it has to do with balance.
- Proc sets have cooldown and many even have proc chances. You can’t reliably spam them.
I forgot to say that, besides the spammable, how often do you hit those other skills? About the same time as the proc cooldowns more or less. Search your heart, you know it to be true.0 -
Redguards_Revenge✭✭✭✭Four_Fingers wrote: »A skill cost me resources only when I use it, a Mythic is almost always on (used) so you would never have resources unless you took it off.
You could put resources into regen instead of Weapon, Spell, Mag or Stam quit trying to have it all.Edited by Redguards_Revenge on September 17, 2022 1:02AM0 -
Redguards_Revenge✭✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »The real reason it will never be balanced is PvP.
It's literally impossible to balance a PvE based game with PvP mini game. The skills and items are all based around essentially group PvE content not PvP.
The only way you could would be to have PvP only skills and items and PvE only skills and items. Anything else will never work.
I disagree, even if they split the sets and what they do in pvp and pve, it will still be imbalanced because that is part of their business model which was copied from an other MMO that is on it's way out. The problem is I am trying to save a MMO while you all are just going for the ride no matter if it's leading off a cliff.
You all still never told me what you expect the next chapter sets to be. What do you think it will be?0
