LInking prices for att mm and ttc in zone chat is a type of spamming

Memory_In_Motion · September 2022

so if you post the linked prices for the three in one text to get a reasonable idea of how much to charge for each item b4 posting it in guild store, are you spamming zone chat. If you post the prices then post them in guild store and so on for the next items.

redspecter23 · September 2022

My thought is that if someone posts an item or two and asks for a price check, that's fine. If they have 15 assorted blue recipes and want prices on all of them, it starts to get spammy, but that's subjective. Some people might find even one price request and response to be spam.

I think my ideal response would be to send them to the website for Tamriel Trade Centre and have them search up the items themselves. I'd prefer to share the knowledge of how to do something yourself and teach someone the skills to be self sufficient rather than see them ask for mountains of price checks in zone chat daily if that's something they might typically do.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · September 2022

oi! not another poll..

Who the heck ask for price checks in zone chat and not their guild chats?

Soarora · September 2022

kinda but if it's a few items and spaced out a bit then maybe it's tolerable?

If you’re (used generally) asking for a price check it’s fine. If you’re the one price checking yourself then… why? Can just click on the item. If you’re gonna do that least spam /say or idk if on NA french zone or something.

Memory_In_Motion · September 2022

um.. it's time to feed my 14 cats. let me get back to you on that in a few hours...

Soarora wrote: »

If you’re (used generally) asking for a price check it’s fine. If you’re the one price checking yourself then… why? Can just click on the item. If you’re gonna do that least spam /say or idk if on NA french zone or something.

my exp with /s and /z seems to be that they both appear in zone chat. someone can verify this or not?

YandereGirlfriend · September 2022

UGH! I'd rather see another nirn dagger run for sale than this! Please stop it now!

I never even understood why people do this - how hard is it to open up a tab and just do the search for yourself!?

Alinhbo_Tyaka · September 2022

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Who the heck ask for price checks in zone chat and not their guild chats?

People who forget where their chat is set to or didn't get a reply. I also occasionally see folks who don't belong to guilds ask in /z.

Danikat · September 2022

Are you saying you post the price to zone chat so someone else can see it? Or so you can see it for items you're about to list for sale?

Because to me it sounds like you're asking about the second one - you posting prices because you need to know them - and I don't understand why you'd do that instead of just hovering the cursor over the item and looking at the price in the info box.

Memory_In_Motion · September 2022

um.. it's time to feed my 14 cats. let me get back to you on that in a few hours...

Danikat wrote: »

Are you saying you post the price to zone chat so someone else can see it? Or so you can see it for items you're about to list for sale?

Because to me it sounds like you're asking about the second one - you posting prices because you need to know them - and I don't understand why you'd do that instead of just hovering the cursor over the item and looking at the price in the info box.

lets suppose someone is using a gamepad and are doing the second thing you said.

virtus753 · September 2022

Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

Are you saying you post the price to zone chat so someone else can see it? Or so you can see it for items you're about to list for sale?

Because to me it sounds like you're asking about the second one - you posting prices because you need to know them - and I don't understand why you'd do that instead of just hovering the cursor over the item and looking at the price in the info box.

Danikat wrote: »

Are you saying you post the price to zone chat so someone else can see it? Or so you can see it for items you're about to list for sale?

Because to me it sounds like you're asking about the second one - you posting prices because you need to know them - and I don't understand why you'd do that instead of just hovering the cursor over the item and looking at the price in the info box.

lets suppose someone is using a gamepad and are doing the second thing you said.

On PC there is an add-on to integrate MM and TTC prices into tooltips in gamepad mode. If you’re not on PC, you can’t run those add-ons anyhow.

EnerG · September 2022

oi! not another poll..

Some ppl complain about the most benign stuff lol.

bmnoble · September 2022

def ok, drive on and maybe you'll pick up some zone sales as well???

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Who the heck ask for price checks in zone chat and not their guild chats?

People not in guilds looking for an idea on what price to scream out their willing to sell messages in every zone till they get a bite. Or just people who did not get any response when they asked in guild chat.

Got no issue with people asking for a price check or someone linking the price of items someone is trying to buy in zone chat at a stupidly low price to flip to warn ignorant sellers.

But if your posting everything you plan to list in zone chat in one hit asking for price checks one after the other it gets a bit much, if your at that point its time to get one of the addon's yourself or start using the TTC website.

That said I rarely see that kinda thing happen its usually people with an item, that they think looks extremely valuable and want to double check the price before listing got no issue with that.

Amottica · September 2022

oi! not another poll..

I have zone chat turned off. While it can sometimes be entertaining, I have found no need for it.

tmbrinks · September 2022

Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

If you’re (used generally) asking for a price check it’s fine. If you’re the one price checking yourself then… why? Can just click on the item. If you’re gonna do that least spam /say or idk if on NA french zone or something.

my exp with /s and /z seems to be that they both appear in zone chat. someone can verify this or not?

/s is more localized to your area of the map

/z is the entire zone

/yell is like /s but in RED!

Dr_Con · September 2022

Count your blessings. I'm glad this is your only complaint and complaints about the gold-selling spammers aren't the subject of this topic, where you'd report them for spam and support would reply with:

The dwellers of Tamriel thank you for taking time from your adventures to report this offense. Maintaining the integrity of the land is a priority. We will investigate this matter and take appropriate action.

To protect individual privacy, we do not disclose the outcome of our investigation.

Please also be aware that you can add players whose behavior you find objectionable to the ignore list. To do this, open your contacts list (default: O) and click on the "No Entry" icon in the upper right corner. Now you have the option to add players. You can also do this by right-clicking on a player's name and choosing "Ignore". Once this is done, messages from the player in question will no longer be able to reach you.

If you are playing on a console, please contact Sony / Microsoft directly for more information on how to ignore or report a player who you feel is in violation of Sony or Microsoft’s Terms of Service.

Thank you for your continued interest and support!

Warm Regards,
The Elder Scrolls Online Team

Also, I'm not speaking on behalf of ZOS, but this would probably be your response word for word if you decided to report them even if they did nothing wrong... I've gotten the same response for reporting other behavior as well.

@ZOS_Kevin
I hear the ignore list also has a limit, and people commonly complain about that in-game. I haven't gotten to that point but my ignore list grows every day from objectionable people I see in PVP, sometimes PVE... so in response to this ticket- what if someone's ignore list is full? And is it possible to be requeued with someone for a PVE dungeon if they are on your ignore list?

rpa · September 2022

oi! not another poll..

If you are posting it to guild store and can't check the the price yourself for some good reason, ask the guild chat.

FlopsyPrince · September 2022

virtus753 wrote: »

Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

Are you saying you post the price to zone chat so someone else can see it? Or so you can see it for items you're about to list for sale?

Because to me it sounds like you're asking about the second one - you posting prices because you need to know them - and I don't understand why you'd do that instead of just hovering the cursor over the item and looking at the price in the info box.

Danikat wrote: »

Are you saying you post the price to zone chat so someone else can see it? Or so you can see it for items you're about to list for sale?

Because to me it sounds like you're asking about the second one - you posting prices because you need to know them - and I don't understand why you'd do that instead of just hovering the cursor over the item and looking at the price in the info box.

lets suppose someone is using a gamepad and are doing the second thing you said.

On PC there is an add-on to integrate MM and TTC prices into tooltips in gamepad mode. If you’re not on PC, you can’t run those add-ons anyhow.

Another reason key addons should be integrated into the game!

Consoles should have this functionality as well! ZOS certainly has the details!

DreamyLu · September 2022

oi! not another poll..

I'm not sure what to vote for because I very rarely - close to never - see prices linked in zone chat. All price checking/linking I see are in guild chat. So for me, the problem doesn't exist.

opalcity · September 2022

I'm not sure what you're actually asking in this post. It doesn't matter what the content of the chat message is; asking for prices, requesting a vampire bite, advertising your guild, LFG, if you spam the chat then it is a reportable offence.
Are you asking because you want to report someone, or because someone reported you for spamming and you want to know if it was justified?

preevious · September 2022

In PC-EU, price checks in zone chat are rare, and mostly made in good faith and with respect (IE : not asking the price on 10 alchemy ingredients at once).

I even do it sometimes, when I don't have data (or have a suspicious single point of data) in my guilds for a specific item. It's perfectly understandable.
It's rare enough to be not much of an issue.

(of course, I don't know how it is on console / pc-NA .. maybe it's worse there)

Supreme_Atromancer · September 2022

def ok, drive on and maybe you'll pick up some zone sales as well???

If you will "never understand" someone else's reasonings, it might just be a lack of imagination on your part. Just saying.

aussie500 · September 2022

oi! not another poll..

Someone asks for a price check I post the results, never thought it was a problem and I have never seen anyone take it to extremes that could be called spamming zone chat. Occasionally in guild chat it gets a bit more, but that is just helping out guild members.

HerrKeinTipp_MrNoTip · September 2022

Couldn't vote with your options.

I don't understand why people do price check. Get the addon. It's relatively lightweight. Sometimes I don't respond beyond sassing them and telling them to get the addon on alt-tab to the website.
Beyond that I don't find it annoying - it's interesting to see things that might not be on my radar.
I hate people who put up those predatory WTB posts though. If I see such a sass them so hard and tell all newbs to beware. Sometimes this leads to a new player understanding for the first time how to ascertain value.
I do make sure I check they ARE ripping off though - lately I have seen more and more reasonable WTB requests, which is nice.
But I still don't get that...like...if you WTB at market rates...use TTC and guild stores bro.

Kiyakotari · September 2022

def ok, drive on and maybe you'll pick up some zone sales as well???

Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

If you’re (used generally) asking for a price check it’s fine. If you’re the one price checking yourself then… why? Can just click on the item. If you’re gonna do that least spam /say or idk if on NA french zone or something.

my exp with /s and /z seems to be that they both appear in zone chat. someone can verify this or not?

/z is zone chat. /s is local area chat ("say"), so only players who are within a certain distance of you can see it. It's not connected to being in the same group, but players who aren't in the same zone will not be able to see it. /y is "yell." and works just like /s but can be seen in a much larger area.

preevious · September 2022

HerrKeinTipp_MrNoTip wrote: »

Couldn't vote with your options.
I don't understand why people do price check. Get the addon. It's relatively lightweight. Sometimes I don't respond beyond sassing them and telling them to get the addon on alt-tab to the website.

Beyond that I don't find it annoying - it's interesting to see things that might not be on my radar.

I hate people who put up those predatory WTB posts though. If I see such a sass them so hard and tell all newbs to beware. Sometimes this leads to a new player understanding for the first time how to ascertain value.

I do make sure I check they ARE ripping off though - lately I have seen more and more reasonable WTB requests, which is nice.

But I still don't get that...like...if you WTB at market rates...use TTC and guild stores bro.

Hey there. I wanted to explain your first point, but since I'm there..

1) They do price checks because their guilds don't have enough data for them to have a reliable information via MM or ATT. TTC is unreliable since it considers listing, and not sales. Meaning if I list a garlic for 1.000.000, it will skew the TTC average, even if it will never sell.
2) we're on the same page
3) Depends on the price. 25-30% less than market price is ok, since the buyers give a service to the sellers (ie : you can sell without joining a guild or trying in zone chat) .. more than that, it's predatory, I agree.
4) See above
5)Absolutely, for the reason above.

Troodon80 · September 2022

HerrKeinTipp_MrNoTip wrote: »

Couldn't vote with your options.
I don't understand why people do price check. Get the addon. It's relatively lightweight. Sometimes I don't respond beyond sassing them and telling them to get the addon on alt-tab to the website.

People in different guilds, in different locations, will often have a varied average. People in more trading guilds will have a more reliable averages with overall greater sales data. I use those addons and I'm in two trading guilds (one prominant guild in Deshaan on PC-EU), but there are times when an item I want to sell isn't listed on MM or no one has sold said item for 200 days.

One could go to TTC's website and look for the lowest price and then go slightly lower than that, but... you could also go to that guild kiosk and see if it's still there, and if it's not... then repeat for the second lowest, third lowest, etc. It ends up being a chore, teleporting around all of Tamriel to check if items are still in stores, when all you want to do is sell one item. It's okay to get a general idea as it has suggested and average prices, but I'd rather see hard data in the form of sales. The more data one has, the more concrete their decision can be. Being sassy isn't helpful in any way, nor is suggesting that they get the addons when they might already have those addons. Please show a modicum of consideration to your fellow players.

Varana · September 2022

def ok, drive on and maybe you'll pick up some zone sales as well???

It's only spamming if it's so much that it's ... tadaa! ... spamming the chat. Who'd've thunk?

It's not if it's for a few items. And especially not if it's done to counter clear scammers.

Eliahnus · September 2022

def ok, drive on and maybe you'll pick up some zone sales as well???

a bit of tolerance will not hurt you, OP

spartaxoxo · September 2022

um.. it's time to feed my 14 cats. let me get back to you on that in a few hours...

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Who the heck ask for price checks in zone chat and not their guild chats?

Someone who's guild didn't know or respond at the time of listing. Or isn't in a guild. Console players don't have add-ons or websites to check prices.

HerrKeinTipp_MrNoTip · September 2022

preevious wrote: »

Troodon80 wrote: »

Thanks preevious and Troodon80 for correcting my assumption that PC people just didn't have the addon.

I find both TTC and MM a bit of a dark masonic mystery, but I was under the impression that TTC was universal and only MM was based on your guilds?

I was about to say 'thanks for the lesson' but are you suuuuuuure? The game is down for patching now, but if I look at TTC rollover graph i see THOUSANDS of data points....for MM's graph i might see a hundred or so but often I only see a few.

Definitely, thanks for the info if this is the case....but are you surrrre TTC doesn't also include all uploaded sales data if the user keeps their client.exe up to date? (this is an extension of 'get the addon yaself' imo.

Memory_In_Motion · September 2022

um.. it's time to feed my 14 cats. let me get back to you on that in a few hours...

It's funny to me how some people respond thinking that i'm complaining about someone else, and others respond believing i'm the one posting in chat the prices, while still others aren't sure which i am. I don't wish to say which i am because really it shouldn't matter. But for those interested there were prices posted for gold mats from att mm and ttc. Typically there are gold mats for wood, cloth, metal, and jewls but in the case of jewls folks tend to post grains and platings. So that's a total of 5 checks.

LInking prices for att mm and ttc in zone chat is a type of spamming

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