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Things that PC-EU traders should really stop doing.
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Bat✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't mean any bashing by this by the way, I just find it funny and perhaps interesting how business practices are so wildly different between the two servers.1 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm actually interested in the data you have collected on the cooldowns on the new structural furnishing plans. Could you post your findings? My understanding from my data and that of others I've talked to is that there is likely no cooldown. You can definitely get more than one per day, even on the same toon. There is a possibility that there may be a soft cooldown where your first drop is much easier than subsequent drops that day, but I haven't seen any real proof of that yet.Edited by redspecter23 on August 24, 2022 4:20PM0 -
Bat✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »I'm actually interested in the data you have collected on the cooldowns on the new structural furnishing plans. Could you post your findings? My understanding from my data and that of others I've talked to is that there is likely no cooldown. You can definitely get more than one per day, even on the same toon. There is a possibility that there may be a soft cooldown where your first drop is much easier than subsequent drops that day, but I haven't seen any real proof of that yet.
So we both have anecdotal evidence, and neither of which would actually be pertinent to the point raised in my OP. Thanks for your input though.Edited by Bat on August 24, 2022 4:31PM1 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I'm actually interested in the data you have collected on the cooldowns on the new structural furnishing plans. Could you post your findings? My understanding from my data and that of others I've talked to is that there is likely no cooldown. You can definitely get more than one per day, even on the same toon. There is a possibility that there may be a soft cooldown where your first drop is much easier than subsequent drops that day, but I haven't seen any real proof of that yet.
So we both have anecdotal evidence, and neither of which would actually be pertinent to the point raised in my OP. Thanks for your input though.
What point have you raised in your OP? You merely presented facts but nothing else. Why is the way EU handles things a problem? What makes the NA way better? The way I see it the NA way is setting up outrageous moon prices, way above the actual value, to give items the appearance of scarecity when they really aren't that rare at all. The fact that the NA way cannot compete on the EU market (hence why you complain about nobody being able to profit) just shows that the EU way is more competitive and better according to free market principles. Assuming EU sellers aren't making a real loss (not loss of potential profit), all this means is that the EU market is a far more accelerated version of the NA market, at least the way you described them.
I propose EU gets to be the buff doge instead and NA will be cheems.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.6 -
Bat✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »I'm actually interested in the data you have collected on the cooldowns on the new structural furnishing plans. Could you post your findings? My understanding from my data and that of others I've talked to is that there is likely no cooldown. You can definitely get more than one per day, even on the same toon. There is a possibility that there may be a soft cooldown where your first drop is much easier than subsequent drops that day, but I haven't seen any real proof of that yet.
So we both have anecdotal evidence, and neither of which would actually be pertinent to the point raised in my OP. Thanks for your input though.
What point have you raised in your OP? You merely presented facts but nothing else. Why is the way EU handles things a problem? What makes the NA way better? The way I see it the NA way is setting up outrageous moon prices, way above the actual value, to give items the appearance of scarecity when they really aren't that rare at all. The fact that the NA way cannot compete on the EU market (hence why you complain about nobody being able to profit) just shows that the EU way is more competitive and better according to free market principles. Assuming EU sellers aren't making a real loss (not loss of potential profit), all this means is that the EU market is a far more accelerated version of the NA market, at least the way you described them.
I propose EU gets to be the buff doge instead and NA will be cheems.
The free market is a pretty bogus concept in the real world, and perhaps even more so in ESO.0 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I'm actually interested in the data you have collected on the cooldowns on the new structural furnishing plans. Could you post your findings? My understanding from my data and that of others I've talked to is that there is likely no cooldown. You can definitely get more than one per day, even on the same toon. There is a possibility that there may be a soft cooldown where your first drop is much easier than subsequent drops that day, but I haven't seen any real proof of that yet.
So we both have anecdotal evidence, and neither of which would actually be pertinent to the point raised in my OP. Thanks for your input though.
What point have you raised in your OP? You merely presented facts but nothing else. Why is the way EU handles things a problem? What makes the NA way better? The way I see it the NA way is setting up outrageous moon prices, way above the actual value, to give items the appearance of scarecity when they really aren't that rare at all. The fact that the NA way cannot compete on the EU market (hence why you complain about nobody being able to profit) just shows that the EU way is more competitive and better according to free market principles. Assuming EU sellers aren't making a real loss (not loss of potential profit), all this means is that the EU market is a far more accelerated version of the NA market, at least the way you described them.
I propose EU gets to be the buff doge instead and NA will be cheems.
The free market is a pretty bogus concept in the real world, and perhaps even more so in ESO.
Okay, then consider that the EU way is more customer friendly. It doesn't matter which economic philosophy you are following, the EU way always seems to come out on top because the high NA prices never had any real justification other than the seller's greed to begin with.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.6 -
Bat✭✭✭✭✭
✭PC EU traders just hating making gold is what I hear. Apparently the inflation situation is even worse on EU, yet traders just keep practically giving their things away. Point is; keep your chill and make some good gold while you can, prices are bound to drop eventually so it's pointless to race to the bottom.1 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I'm actually interested in the data you have collected on the cooldowns on the new structural furnishing plans. Could you post your findings? My understanding from my data and that of others I've talked to is that there is likely no cooldown. You can definitely get more than one per day, even on the same toon. There is a possibility that there may be a soft cooldown where your first drop is much easier than subsequent drops that day, but I haven't seen any real proof of that yet.
So we both have anecdotal evidence, and neither of which would actually be pertinent to the point raised in my OP. Thanks for your input though.
I pulled 2 of the new structural plans back to back on one toon yesterday. That is a fact. If there is a cooldown, it's more complicated than the typical 20 hour or 24 hour lockout. Thanks for your input.0 -
Gargath✭✭✭✭✭
✭PC NA game economy seems based on greed, while PC EU economy is much more balanced.
No furnishing plan should be worth 3 million, and no new motif should be worth 20 millions.
But it's worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.Edited by Gargath on August 24, 2022 5:59PMPC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."3 -
tonyblack✭✭✭✭✭As someone who have little interest in housing I’m guilty in undercutting those plans by a lot. I can’t comprehend how someone could pay more than 10k for underwhelming green plan and if it sells for 70-100k i call it a win and pity someone who paid that much for something that will cost <20k a few months later. And listing it for 500k so it would rot and rapidly lose value looks like a bad idea to me. Are there even that many people hunting for them? Because i know most of my friends not so interested as well.5 -
Bat✭✭✭✭✭
✭I promise you, many housing enthusiasts are absolutely *loaded* from doing commissions. If you price your new, "must have" items high, they will buy.0 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭PC/NA is obviously full of people willing to pay large premiums for convenience. But the details change over time. Sometimes one can get very different prices in different cities. But right now, oddly, I'm not seeing much difference between what I can charge in my trading guilds in Vivek City, Rawl'kha, and the Hollow City.1 -
EnerG✭✭✭✭✭This is very funny, I have a lv 12 alt on EU I mean to level just to make some friends across the pond but never looked into traders.
PCNA trader culture is a **** measuring war to see who can list it higher and still sell haha.1 -
Dawnblade✭✭✭✭✭Does EU have the same annoying still not fixed bugs the NA has with the WB dailies such that some are impossible (or very, very highly annoying and time-consuming) to complete?
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