Magcro sustain

Lynxyn · August 2022

Been running dry on my magcro. I don't think I need much more, but I'm not completely sure. I'm using inner light and degeneration, so I'm using trash pots which means major intellect isn't 100% uptime. Is shocking siphon worth using? Lose the extra bit of damage when detonating siphon ends but if it's enough extra sustain it would mean I don't have to mess with glyphs. Or at hopefully at the very least all of them. My thing is that I don't really want to be swapping gold glyphs around a bunch because it'll get a bit pricey and if I go into content where I want to push out the most damage possible where I drop mage light for like deadly cloak with brp daggers and drop my degeneration back bar for a stronger dot and use essence of spell power for sorcery or prophecy then my sustain would innately get better because I'd restore more mag and have 100% uptime on major intellect and I would probably have a support guaranteed to be running symphony which would give more than enough sustain and mean that I don't need a recovery glyph or two anymore.

El_Borracho · August 2022

I assume this is PVE. Necro as a whole has never had great sustain. Magcro is very tough outside of organized group content with synergies. The primary source of self-sustain is the archer/sorcerer and the Undead Confederate passive. Avid Boneyard will give you a self-synergy for the Undaunted passive. You can also use a food like Clockwork Citrus or Witchmothers, but that lowers your health and magicka pools.

I don't think you will lose a lot of damage by switching to Mystic Siphon. Add in that some bosses are immune to disease damage, you might actually be gaining damage with shock instead.

Its tough to swap out a lot of skills as most necro builds require 4-6 required skills. Inner Light and Degen are fine, but you are likely giving up shields, heals, and /or damage. But if it works, do it.

Kahnak · August 2022

Lynxyn wrote: »

Been running dry on my magcro. I don't think I need much more, but I'm not completely sure. I'm using inner light and degeneration, so I'm using trash pots which means major intellect isn't 100% uptime. Is shocking siphon worth using? Lose the extra bit of damage when detonating siphon ends but if it's enough extra sustain it would mean I don't have to mess with glyphs. Or at hopefully at the very least all of them. My thing is that I don't really want to be swapping gold glyphs around a bunch because it'll get a bit pricey and if I go into content where I want to push out the most damage possible where I drop mage light for like deadly cloak with brp daggers and drop my degeneration back bar for a stronger dot and use essence of spell power for sorcery or prophecy then my sustain would innately get better because I'd restore more mag and have 100% uptime on major intellect and I would probably have a support guaranteed to be running symphony which would give more than enough sustain and mean that I don't need a recovery glyph or two anymore.

You would be surprised how much of a difference that 100% uptime on major intellect can make. You could also consider running 7 Light pieces to help with sustain a bit. I think Shocking Siphon is worth using considering it increases DPS just by slotting it, but you have to be conscious of placement, otherwise you're not getting anything out of it but the sustain.

Krayl · August 2022

I don't run into any issues in trial content on my magcro, but soloing or in less optimized/smaller groups where orbs aren't plentiful, it can be a little challenging.

You should absolutely NOT run sustain glyphs on your jewelry to compensate; spell power is entirely too valuable a stat to not take it where you can get it.

Mystic siphon is an option; detonating is more dps especially where the explosion hits multiple adds. If you're not already, be sure to run the skeletal archer morph of your pet. Costs stam and does more damage. Run more light armor if you're not already; it makes a difference.

You can also run consuming trap with or instead of degen on trash or fights with adds for some extra sustain help. Obviously if you drop degen you need spell pots but those are also going to help your sustain a bit more than trash pots.

Ensuring your group mates are running orbs and ele drain is an important factor as well.

Depending on your race and comfort level with surviving, you could consider parse food as well. Often Ill run it in easier but less optimized content like pug dungeons. Most things dont hit hard enough for low health to matter more than having the mag to sustain your damage and cast a shield if you need survivability.

BXR_Lonestar · August 2022

Lynxyn wrote: »

Been running dry on my magcro. I don't think I need much more, but I'm not completely sure. I'm using inner light and degeneration, so I'm using trash pots which means major intellect isn't 100% uptime. Is shocking siphon worth using? Lose the extra bit of damage when detonating siphon ends but if it's enough extra sustain it would mean I don't have to mess with glyphs. Or at hopefully at the very least all of them. My thing is that I don't really want to be swapping gold glyphs around a bunch because it'll get a bit pricey and if I go into content where I want to push out the most damage possible where I drop mage light for like deadly cloak with brp daggers and drop my degeneration back bar for a stronger dot and use essence of spell power for sorcery or prophecy then my sustain would innately get better because I'd restore more mag and have 100% uptime on major intellect and I would probably have a support guaranteed to be running symphony which would give more than enough sustain and mean that I don't need a recovery glyph or two anymore.

Not sure what your build is, but I actually back-burner'ed my magcro after I golded out a Bahsei/EC set and discovered that with the syphon ability, I had too much sustain to be able to take advantage of Bahsei. I was rarely below 1/2 magika, and this is without any enchantments for mag regen on my jewelry (all spell damage). If you run into sustain issues, its often a product of renewing DoTs/AOE's way too early. If you pay attention to your timer bars and make sure to renew later in the cycle, it will certainly help your sustain. If you are already renewing late in the cycle, maybe try to add an absorb magika glyph on the front bar, or add elemental drain with the mag steal morph on your backbar. Either of those things can maybe help bridge the gap.

Oh! Are you using Spell Power potions that also help boost your sustain?

Elendir2am · August 2022

You can go magcro hybrid. All attributes in magicka with +magicka damage on your gear and Blastbones as main spamable, but some stamina skills to let your magicka less stressed.
Skeletal Archer, Detonating Siphon and Barbed Trap. You can add some weapons skills either

Lynxyn · August 2022

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Lynxyn wrote: »

Been running dry on my magcro. I don't think I need much more, but I'm not completely sure. I'm using inner light and degeneration, so I'm using trash pots which means major intellect isn't 100% uptime. Is shocking siphon worth using? Lose the extra bit of damage when detonating siphon ends but if it's enough extra sustain it would mean I don't have to mess with glyphs. Or at hopefully at the very least all of them. My thing is that I don't really want to be swapping gold glyphs around a bunch because it'll get a bit pricey and if I go into content where I want to push out the most damage possible where I drop mage light for like deadly cloak with brp daggers and drop my degeneration back bar for a stronger dot and use essence of spell power for sorcery or prophecy then my sustain would innately get better because I'd restore more mag and have 100% uptime on major intellect and I would probably have a support guaranteed to be running symphony which would give more than enough sustain and mean that I don't need a recovery glyph or two anymore.

Not sure what your build is, but I actually back-burner'ed my magcro after I golded out a Bahsei/EC set and discovered that with the syphon ability, I had too much sustain to be able to take advantage of Bahsei. I was rarely below 1/2 magika, and this is without any enchantments for mag regen on my jewelry (all spell damage). If you run into sustain issues, its often a product of renewing DoTs/AOE's way too early. If you pay attention to your timer bars and make sure to renew later in the cycle, it will certainly help your sustain. If you are already renewing late in the cycle, maybe try to add an absorb magika glyph on the front bar, or add elemental drain with the mag steal morph on your backbar. Either of those things can maybe help bridge the gap.

Oh! Are you using Spell Power potions that also help boost your sustain?

I'm using trash pots so the sustain from those is a bit worse and getting those buffs from inner/degen. In harder content I'd prolly swap degen and inner for other abilities to get higher damage and use spell power pots though. I just don't really want to drop 400~ gold every 45 seconds in content where I don't realistically need to be highly optimizing my buff sources and bars for as much damage as possible. I'm not in a static right now and I'd say the majority of the content I'm actually doing right now is more like pug vet dlcs through automatic group finder for things like pledges to get keys and collect monster masks.

The bulk of the issue is that I feel like I'm somewhat in the middle. Either I leave my build alone and I'm solid in a group who has a tank who's experienced and a healer supporting with symphony and enlivening overflow but I run dry very quickly in content where I don't have those things such as farming runs for sets where the healer and sometimes the tank aren't built full support. Or I swap to sustain so I don't run dry in those scenarios, but I'm doing less DPS than I would otherwise in the content where I do have the support.

For example I just finished farming kinras to replace my julianos weapons and jewelry (which I made to just have a super temporary filler). The entire time I was farming it I would basically get queued with fake healers and tanks who were also farming it meaning I didn't have sustain help. Either way I would be doing like 50-60% of the groups DPS more often than not sometimes even more and then I'd run out of resource at like 25-35% of the boss hp and it felt like the last 25% in execute took longer than the first 75%. It just felt really bad.

Currently I'm running a 2 PC monster helm either zaan or maw with 5 PC order's wrath on body and julianos frontbar and jewelry with maelstrom destro back bar. Julianos is just temporary until I finish transmuting my kinras jewelry and inferno. Not really interested in the whole bahsei resource dumping and stay at low resource play style so once I look to replace order's wrath with a trial set it'll probably be for siroria since it's getting a nice buff next patch or something else.

Lynxyn · August 2022

Krayl wrote: »

I don't run into any issues in trial content on my magcro, but soloing or in less optimized/smaller groups where orbs aren't plentiful, it can be a little challenging.

You should absolutely NOT run sustain glyphs on your jewelry to compensate; spell power is entirely too valuable a stat to not take it where you can get it.

Mystic siphon is an option; detonating is more dps especially where the explosion hits multiple adds. If you're not already, be sure to run the skeletal archer morph of your pet. Costs stam and does more damage. Run more light armor if you're not already; it makes a difference.

You can also run consuming trap with or instead of degen on trash or fights with adds for some extra sustain help. Obviously if you drop degen you need spell pots but those are also going to help your sustain a bit more than trash pots.

Ensuring your group mates are running orbs and ele drain is an important factor as well.

Depending on your race and comfort level with surviving, you could consider parse food as well. Often Ill run it in easier but less optimized content like pug dungeons. Most things dont hit hard enough for low health to matter more than having the mag to sustain your damage and cast a shield if you need survivability.

Yea I actually run ghastly and all my mag toons except my dk are Breton. I don't have issues surviving I think it's just more so that I've been doing mostly unoptimized content recently to farm sets so my healers lack or just outright have no support. "Tanks" also moving around like they're playing hopscotch ignoring the fact that I place down things like wall orb boneyard and tether meaning I frequently have to recast. Like I just said in my previous post I feel like I'm in this awkward limbo in terms of my build right now where I'm still fairly frequently doing unoptimized content, but that I'm also doing some other stuff where things are a bit more optimized in terms of what my group is running so I don't really want to regress my build in terms of damage for sustain but it's also painful when my DPS basically just cuts off when I run dry especially when I'm doing the vast majority of the groups damage to the point where I've had runs where the last quarter of a bosses hp feels like it took more time than the first 3 quarters

nb_rich · August 2022

Just switch to Stamcro like I am right now. I was using perfected false god on my magcro and that didn’t even help. Unless there are orbs magicka dps characters as a whole have sustain issues and because of the sustain issues people don’t usually use orbs no more. Since penetration is usually provided in most groups stamina characters are they way to go now

jlmurra2 · August 2022

My necromancers are all races that have sustain passives. Breton for my Magicka build, Redguard for my stamina build, and Imperial for my tank.

Sets I use are Vicious Serpent for Stamina, and False god for magicka if extra sustain is needed.

fizl101 · August 2022

When you say trash pots, do you mean the ones you find out in the world with 27 (I think) second recovery? If so, use your crown purple pots you get from daily rewards. They have the full recovery period rather than the shortened you find out in the wild. I would also consider converting a couple of your dots to stam morphs if you haven't already

MrBrownstone · August 2022

Since you don't have to do top dps in pug content and losing some of your dps is much less of a problem than losing all of it, just add some heavy attacks to your rotation and you'll be fine.